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#2851 Moore

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 18:46

http://motorsport.ne...lton,50048.html


What's wrong between Button and Hamilton ?



Another non-story. Button never followed Hamilton to begin with. They've always had respect for each other when it comes to racing but I highly doubt they're best buds out the car.

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#2852 Massa

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 18:46

Ok thanks

#2853 glorius&victorius

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 19:43

still puzzling how this weekend just went down the drain...

- lewis never in good shape
- jenson cant beat that sauber
- red bull succesfully exploits its package and executes a perfect weekend ... both cars front row, win, fastest lap.

#2854 xAtarigeekx

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 22:37

Lewis Hamilton ‏@LewisHamilton
Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn't.


Great, just what we need this time of the season, team mates who hate eachother

#2855 slmk

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 00:50

Great, just what we need this time of the season, team mates who hate eachother


They've never really liked each other to begin with.

Besides, the car is clearly not as good as it was so both titles are now longshots.

#2856 Lemans

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 00:55

The next episode of "Tooned" should be tense.



#2857 lbennie

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 00:59

they obviously don't talk to each other anymore, you would think hamilton would have a word to jenson before going to twitter about it?


#2858 slmk

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:17

they obviously don't talk to each other anymore, you would think hamilton would have a word to jenson before going to twitter about it?


Why? It's not like Jenson had a word with Lewis every time he had the opportunity of blasting him.

Edited by slmk, 08 October 2012 - 02:39.


#2859 whitevisor

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:33

fk Red Bull have a working double DRS....so SV probably gonna start owning poles from now on.


it has a huge advantage in the coming tracks


Best driver combination, best car... and we still can't win consistently. It really Sucks. I'm gonna need a new TV after finger boy wins his third WDC and WCC for RBR, that's for sure.

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#2860 SNiko

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:23

Best driver combination, best car... and we still can't win consistently. It really Sucks. I'm gonna need a new TV after finger boy wins his third WDC and WCC for RBR, that's for sure.


Button just a good driver, nothing spceial, he is far from his best form. Hamilton doesn't have motivation since second half of 2010. Both drivers are "broken". The car is the best, but key to this season is perfect setup and optimal balance. If you succeeded in both components, you can win even on Williams or Sauber (with a little luck). Button is very sensitive to setup, so it is very difficult to him to find a good (even not perfect) balance. Lewis again, doesn't have enough motivation, plus very often he chooses wrong direction in car setup.

McLaren needs changes, and I think Lewis' desertion is a good change. No sense to keep him if he doesn't enjoy driving McLaren anymore. If he had motivation like in 2009, he would be unbeaten in 2011 and 2012. Very sory for both: Lewis and McLaren.

#2861 ElDictatore

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:31

Button just a good driver, nothing spceial, he is far from his best form. Hamilton doesn't have motivation since second half of 2010. Both drivers are "broken". The car is the best, but key to this season is perfect setup and optimal balance. If you succeeded in both components, you can win even on Williams or Sauber (with a little luck). Button is very sensitive to setup, so it is very difficult to him to find a good (even not perfect) balance. Lewis again, doesn't have enough motivation, plus very often he chooses wrong direction in car setup.

McLaren needs changes, and I think Lewis' desertion is a good change. No sense to keep him if he doesn't enjoy driving McLaren anymore. If he had motivation like in 2009, he would be unbeaten in 2011 and 2012. Very sory for both: Lewis and McLaren.



Where did he appear unmotivated this season? Canada, Monza, Singapur? And unbeaten in 2011? I really don't think so. This year, it's harder to judge which car is really the best. Over one season, it's maybe the -27, but I think that Red Bull & Vettel just really hit the sweat spot here in Japan. It's a new pecking order every race and with that many incidents this season, it's nothing lost yet for McLaren & Lewis!
So keep the faith guys!! And hopefully the -27 will be competitive again in Yeongam!

#2862 BigCHrome

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:46

Well, team is in full blown meltdown mode. Hopefully we keep 2nd in WCC so Button gets the curse of number 3 again next year. He deserves it after all of this.

#2863 mlsnoopy

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 06:54

still puzzling how this weekend just went down the drain...

- lewis never in good shape
- jenson cant beat that sauber
- red bull succesfully exploits its package and executes a perfect weekend ... both cars front row, win, fastest lap.


A bad race happens. The problem is that McLaren doesn-t have a massive point advantage that it should have without all the mistakes. Hamilton should be celebrating his 3rd WDC but unfortunately the team lost it for him.

Edited by mlsnoopy, 08 October 2012 - 06:56.


#2864 ViMaMo

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:03

I dont think Lewis was under motivated, his mistakes on track cost him dear, add to that mistakes from the team.

#2865 slmk

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:23

I dont think Lewis was under motivated, his mistakes on track cost him dear, add to that mistakes from the team.


What mistakes on track did he do... except from set-up mistakes (shared with the team) and the collision with Maldonado (highly arguable as is)?

#2866 glorius&victorius

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:25

Button just a good driver, nothing spceial, he is far from his best form. Hamilton doesn't have motivation since second half of 2010. Both drivers are "broken". The car is the best, but key to this season is perfect setup and optimal balance. If you succeeded in both components, you can win even on Williams or Sauber (with a little luck). Button is very sensitive to setup, so it is very difficult to him to find a good (even not perfect) balance. Lewis again, doesn't have enough motivation, plus very often he chooses wrong direction in car setup.

McLaren needs changes, and I think Lewis' desertion is a good change. No sense to keep him if he doesn't enjoy driving McLaren anymore. If he had motivation like in 2009, he would be unbeaten in 2011 and 2012. Very sory for both: Lewis and McLaren.


sounds like the smell at McLaren has become intolerable.

#2867 mlsnoopy

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:42

Button just a good driver, nothing spceial, he is far from his best form. Hamilton doesn't have motivation since second half of 2010. Both drivers are "broken". The car is the best, but key to this season is perfect setup and optimal balance. If you succeeded in both components, you can win even on Williams or Sauber (with a little luck). Button is very sensitive to setup, so it is very difficult to him to find a good (even not perfect) balance. Lewis again, doesn't have enough motivation, plus very often he chooses wrong direction in car setup.

McLaren needs changes, and I think Lewis' desertion is a good change. No sense to keep him if he doesn't enjoy driving McLaren anymore. If he had motivation like in 2009, he would be unbeaten in 2011 and 2012. Very sory for both: Lewis and McLaren.


Examples?
So far we have one bad choice and that was Japan.

#2868 peroa

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:06

McLaren's Whitmarsh believes Ferrari now under real pressure
Well, Martin, the one under pressure is you actually, Ferrari is only 20 points behind in the WCC, without Alonso's DNF it could be even worse.
The board won't take a 3rd place well.
Goes for both LH and MW, little less conversation, little more action.

#2869 pdac

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:42

So far we have one bad choice and that was Japan.

Agree. I think Hamiltons problem is that he accepts and follows the teams strategy decisions and this is where I think it all goes belly up.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:47

Examples?
So far we have one bad choice and that was Japan.

Arguably Belgium.

#2871 sulgpallur

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:50

So why didn't Mclaren switch Lewis and Jenson on last lap?

Edited by sulgpallur, 08 October 2012 - 11:51.


#2872 peroa

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:50

With Lotus and Ferrari bringing new updates in Korea, where does that leave McLaren?
Hope they at least get a working setup together for once.

#2873 Sinceref189

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:52

McLaren's Whitmarsh believes Ferrari now under real pressure
Well, Martin, the one under pressure is you actually, Ferrari is only 20 points behind in the WCC, without Alonso's DNF it could be even worse.
The board won't take a 3rd place well.
Goes for both LH and MW, little less conversation, little more action.

LOL at Martin trying to shift the pressure on Ferrari, when our car has been competitive but have failed to capitalise on points due to reliability and operational blunders grow some balls whitmarsh.

#2874 Sinceref189

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:52

So why didn't Mclaren switch Lewis and Jenson on last lap?

:rolleyes: when jenson was 20sec ahead

#2875 sulgpallur

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:53

:rolleyes: when jenson was 20sec ahead

Could have cruised with his 'gearbox' on last lap

#2876 Force Ten

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:56

So why didn't Mclaren switch Lewis and Jenson on last lap?

Not all teams are Ferrari

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:59

So why didn't Mclaren switch Lewis and Jenson on last lap?


Because Jenson was chasing down Kobayashi for third.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:08

Could have cruised with his 'gearbox' on last lap

Hell no when he was fighting for 3rd ,come on son.

#2879 sulgpallur

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:15

I wouldn't mind if he got past, but problem is he took 2 more points from teammate, who could have needed them more at the end of season. Don't u think?

But this is really not the thread to discuss it to deeply so i apologize for bringing it up here

Edited by sulgpallur, 08 October 2012 - 12:17.


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#2880 Sinceref189

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:25

I wouldn't mind if he got past, but problem is he took 2 more points from teammate, who could have needed them more at the end of season. Don't u think?

But this is really not the thread to discuss it to deeply so i apologize for bringing it up here

lol don't need to apologize mate , thats what these forum are for ' Discussion'

#2881 Clatter

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:25

I wouldn't mind if he got past, but problem is he took 2 more points from teammate, who could have needed them more at the end of season. Don't u think?

But this is really not the thread to discuss it to deeply so i apologize for bringing it up here


Added 2 more to his own score. As unrealistic as it is he is not out of the championship so should not be expected to give up positions.

#2882 BigCHrome

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:04

With the mysterious "setup problems" and thuds that fix them that Hamilton has been experiencing since he announced he's leaving the team I wouldn't be surprised if Button actually finished ahead of Lewis in the WDC again. All it takes is another broken gearbox or a mechanic that "carelessly" forgot to connect the brakes with the braking system.

#2883 bonjon1979a

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:31

Both jb and Lewis used their 8th engine this weekend. Seb used his 7th for the first time

http://www.vivaf1.co...p?featuretabs=1

#2884 EvanRainer

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:35

That is interesting, how come all the Mercedes cars used engine no7 straight after engine no6?

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:37

Both jb and Lewis used their 8th engine this weekend. Seb used his 7th for the first time

http://www.vivaf1.co...p?featuretabs=1


Yes, but because Lewis didn't get much of a chance to use the new one in Spa, it's basically unused so technically he's still on 7.

#2886 Ashitank

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:38

Lol @ Lewis fan's with conspiracy theories, sure must be matured just like Lewis is :kiss:



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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:01

Both jb and Lewis used their 8th engine this weekend. Seb used his 7th for the first time

http://www.vivaf1.co...p?featuretabs=1


Is it 8 engines teams are allowed to use throughout the season? If so, looks like it might get a little tight for McLaren. the last thing they want at this point is an engine failure during a race or taking a grid penalty.
Especially considering the chances for a WDC are looking very slim. The WCC however, is still probable. ;)

#2888 BoxToOvertake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:08

will be very awkward if hamilton loses the championship by 2 points :lol:

#2889 BillBald

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:29

That is interesting, how come all the Mercedes cars used engine no7 straight after engine no6?


Was that Spa and Monza?

Obviously they will carry on using those engines, but 3 used engines for all the long straights coming up doesn't seem ideal.



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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:44

I don't get it. Has engine no.1 only done Melbourne? Has engine no.4 only done Valencia?

#2891 jrg19

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:48

I think 1 and 4 might have been used again during the 3 race gaps?

#2892 MirNyet

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:51

Engines aren't used in numerical order, they are ordered so that at the end of the year each engine would have gone through the same amount of load and stress. So, engines which have low load on them will be used again.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 17:34

Engines aren't used in numerical order, they are ordered so that at the end of the year each engine would have gone through the same amount of load and stress. So, engines which have low load on them will be used again.

Ah, thanks for that!
Forgot you could use old engines again. Still, I personally prefer it if I could still use a new, fresh engine at this point in the season, so I wouldn't have to worry about an old engine blowing up in the middle of a race or something. :p

#2894 bonjon1979a

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 17:39

Ah, thanks for that!
Forgot you could use old engines again. Still, I personally prefer it if I could still use a new, fresh engine at this point in the season, so I wouldn't have to worry about an old engine blowing up in the middle of a race or something. :p

That's the point. It'd be nice to have one fresh engine left for the remaining 5 races.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:08

With the mysterious "setup problems" and thuds that fix them that Hamilton has been experiencing since he announced he's leaving the team I wouldn't be surprised if Button actually finished ahead of Lewis in the WDC again. All it takes is another broken gearbox or a mechanic that "carelessly" forgot to connect the brakes with the braking system.



I now understand why Alonso needed those FIA observers in the McLaren paddock towards the end of 2007.


If you don't like it, go and pollute another thread with your conspiratorial dung. Are you McLaren fans of LH fair weather fans?




#2896 Mandzipop

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:19

Ah, thanks for that!
Forgot you could use old engines again. Still, I personally prefer it if I could still use a new, fresh engine at this point in the season, so I wouldn't have to worry about an old engine blowing up in the middle of a race or something. :p


I know that this thread I'm linking is the very old Ferrari F10 thread, however I can't see that much has changed since 2010 with the engines. The page I'm linking might be worth a read in relation to the engine issue. http://forums.autosp...p;#entry4576302

#2897 bauss

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:21

will be very awkward if hamilton loses the championship by 2 points :lol:


Button would love that

#2898 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:26

That might help:

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http://www.vivaf1.co...p?featuretabs=1

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:18

That might help:

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http://www.vivaf1.co...p?featuretabs=1


Don't ruin their fun, i'm sure they will still find a conspiracy in there somewhere. Lewis' 7 looks a little smaller than Jenson's.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:38

That might help:

http://www.vivaf1.co...p?featuretabs=1


It looks like Ferrari are in the best shape, of the leading teams.

Red Bull didn't take a new engine in Monza, perhaps because they didn't think they had a realistic chance of winning anyway.