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#1001 GSiebert

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:44

Biaggi wakes up at the right time of the season.

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#1002 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:51

Biaggi wakes up at the right time of the season.


+1 :up:

:cool:

Next 5 race looks very hard.

WSBK » Nurburgring - Race results (1)
http://www.crash.net..._results_1.html


WSBK » Biaggi back on top as Melandri tumbles out
http://www.crash.net...umbles_out.html

Edited by Tarzaan, 09 September 2012 - 10:51.


#1003 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:05

Max Biaggi 315

Marco Melandri 308,5

Tom Sykes 280,5

Carlos Checa 237,5

Jonathan Rea 212

Eugene Laverty 193,5

Leon Haslam 189

6,5 points between Max and Marco, Sykes still not too far (34,5 points), but I doub't he & Kawa can win the title (unless we have 4-5 wet races). Theoreticly Rea & Laverty still could win the title, but Haslam not...


#1004 chunder27

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:22

I dont think Sykes had a tyre problem

Listening to Chaz, he was talking about being far warmer than usual so that might have made the tyre choice really hard, and he said he could ride at a pace but any time he went quicker he was losing the front.

Sykes made a breahthrough earleir in the year to solve the rear tyre issue, but I reckon the temps maybe made it tough here, Biaggi certainly admitted as much post arce, saying he thought Tom was maybe going too quick.

Never sure with Tom, if he hugely clever or just rides on the limit without thinking too much!

Lowes needs his head looking at, the las just cant stop crashing, take a look at Kenan mate, he is quick, strong in places that matetr like brakes and acceleration. Thats why he wins.

I fear that patience will soon run out with Lowes, OK Foret was messing him up, but thats what Foret always does, learn lad for Gods sake

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 13:14

Moto Matters think Sykes might have had an electronics problem
http://motomatters.c..._front_end.html

Race Fastest Laps:
1 3 BIAGGI M Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'55.267
5 2 CAMIER L Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'56.702
21 HOPKINS J Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'57.773

What has happened to Hopper?
I know the bikes far from being the fastest thing out there but he's still 1 second off Camier......

#1006 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 13:37

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax..

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#1007 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 13:52

Marco make Max's lead safe...

Max still can get some points.

#1008 Risil

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 14:09

Biaggi is foolish but tough as nails. Love Melandri's acrobatic pitboard-holder, too. :lol:

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 14:11

Wow, what a race for Chaz + great ride by Camier.
Melandri & Biaggi seriously need a visit to a psychologist

#1010 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 14:24

Max Biaggi 318

Marco Melandri 308,5

Tom Sykes 291,5

Carlos Checa 247,5

Jonathan Rea 225,5

Eugene Laverty 213,5

9,5 points lead to MM (which was 17,5 points disadvantage) 26,5 to Sykes.
Theoreticly Rea is the last rider who has chance to win the title.

Next Portimao & Magny Cours, both strong track for Max but IMHO fit to BMW as well.


Wow, what a race for Chaz + great ride by Camier.
Melandri & Biaggi seriously need a visit to a psychologist


IMHO Max just follow the rider ahead, but he made mistake, so Max miss the breaking point too...

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 14:59

Missed the race 2, what happened to Max? He was on pole so how did he finish so low?

Edit: Nevermind, just saw the highlights. He had a fall.

Edited by carbuff, 09 September 2012 - 15:05.


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 15:05

He lose front of bike early in the race
Good racing in BSB event at Donington.

EDIT: But commentary of Burnicle with Haydon is just terrible.

Edited by PokePoke, 09 September 2012 - 15:08.


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 16:03

Davies signs for BMW!!!!

http://superbikeplan...Sep/120909b.htm

#1014 Risil

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 16:13

That's process of elimination #1 for Spies 2013, then. And good news for Davies. Really, really deserves it. :up:

#1015 GSiebert

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 17:42

I say Sykes would be a worthy champion, he's still in the hunt despite riding a Kawasaki that still doesn't quite match the BMW and Aprilia over a race distance, and did far less silly moves or mistakes than Melandri and Biaggi.

Great news for Davies :up:

Edited by GSiebert, 09 September 2012 - 17:42.


#1016 ehagar

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 18:36

Was at BSB today. Good races, but the 1000cc Superstock race was reaaaallly close. PJ Jacobson pipped Lee Johnson by .001 seconds!

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 20:54

I say Sykes would be a worthy champion, he's still in the hunt despite riding a Kawasaki that still doesn't quite match the BMW and Aprilia over a race distance, and did far less silly moves or mistakes than Melandri and Biaggi.


He made me sit up and take notice when he was riding a Rizla Suzuki in BSB. I really rate him.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 21:25

I think it would be great to see Sykes and Davies on the factory BMW bikes.

I am a little sad to see Chaz leave that team, it has really been built around him to an extent, remember they were originally going to run Ducati's until Davies tested them and the team knew they were not quick enough, I hope they can stay around and get another good rider. I just hope he isnt another rider just token gesture for BMW, they do seem to have rather pushed Haslam aside recently, but maybe that is Leons fault too, he has had a very bad run.

As for Sykes, well he has matured beyond belief, is so calm and measured, rarely crashes and is so confident in leading races. I just think that Kwak is letting him down a bit, doesnt seem quite all there.

It might be Tom I spose, but the fact he isnt crashing makes me think he is riding a litlte within himself, to not crash at that track today when so many others did is a lesson!

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 21:31

Davies signs for BMW!!!!

http://superbikeplan...Sep/120909b.htm



Was it necessary for them to include the full home address of Chas ?
What a bunch of clowns.




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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:42

WSBK »Nurburgring – eni WSBK Championship standings

Marco Melandri fails to score, Max Biaggi gets back to winning ways, Tom Sykes regains ground and Chaz Davies leaps up the order...

http://www.crash.net..._standings.html


WSBK »Battling Biaggi back on top despite crash

Max Biaggi returns to the top of the World Superbike standings with his first win in more than two months, even if a race two crash prevents him from stretching away.

http://www.crash.net...pite_crash.html


WSBK »‘Double zero’ stalls Melandri momentum

Marco Melandri's title hopes suffer a dent after crashes in both races at the Nurburgring leave him without any points.

http://www.crash.net...i_momentum.html


WSBK »Camier ‘works socks off’ to get Suzuki back on podium

Suzuki returns to the World Superbike podium for the first time in more than a year as Leon Camier puts in a star performance at the Nurburgring.

http://www.crash.net..._on_podium.html


WSBK »Checa: It’s an unbalanced game right now***

Carlos Checa feels he is crashing more frequently because he is being forced to push harder on his Ducati to make up for its regulation-induced disadvantages.
http://www.crash.net..._right_now.html



*** Yes, because last season was very balanced... (LoL)

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 08:10

*** Yes, because last season was very balanced... (LoL)
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Twins won 15, the fours 11 races last year. Thats hardly a domination. And Biaggi missed 6 races too. It looks to me that Melandri, Biaggi, Laverty and Rea were too inconsistent to beat Checa to win the WC.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 08:49

The speed disadvantage is quite ridiculous. I believe they could keep the weight penatly that was added this year, but let the engine breathe a bit more.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:58

Sykes hints at dodgy, chattering Pirelli rear in Race One. It's not his year. But still, Sykes is an established big name at frontrunner in the series now, and the improvement in Kawasaki's WSBK programme since the Motocard team took over from PBM has been enormous. That makes two successful teams making the step up from World Supersport. A big story of 2012, IMO. Wonder how long it'll be before the PTR team joins them...

Incidentally, Chaz Davies's win in Race 2 was the first victory in the series for a satellite RSV4 -- in fact he's become the only rider to win a WSBK race on it whose name isn't Max Biaggi. After Nori Haga came very close at the Nurb last season, this is a pretty welcome development. Also -- given that Davies is 6ft+ -- one that fairly dented the received wisdom that only someone as small as the Roman Emperor could ride the thing effectively...

Edited by Risil, 10 September 2012 - 11:59.


#1024 GSiebert

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:05

Yep Baz complained about chatter as well.

#1025 Tarzaan

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:37

Niccolo Canepa is set to miss the final two World Superbike Championship events after breaking his leg in an accident at the Nurburgring.

http://www.crash.net...2_campaign.html

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 15:54

Spies and Iannone have joined Pramac for 2013.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 15:55

Great for Iannone, desperate for Spies.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 16:07

Spies is taking a huge gamble. Mind you, he'll have to, if he wants to regain his career trajectory. Gotta regain factory rider status asap. If David Emmett's rumours are correct, Ducati will be giving good equipment and support to both their squads.

Good for Ducati's junior team, as well. Pair up a rookie with a known quantity. Hayden, Dovi and Spies make a great set of development riders, and Iannone will probably find his own way of riding the Duc. Barbera might well feel a bit aggrieved, however. But three years is a long stretch in MotoGP for a rider who hasn't broken through.

The Moto2 recruitment office seems to be gaining respect. Bradl, Marquez, Smith and now Iannone all signed up to well-supported rides. Redding still might follow. "I raced with Marquez" seems to be a good CV point for a young rider nowadays.

Edited by Risil, 12 September 2012 - 16:11.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 16:23

I don't think it will be called Pramac though as Pramac was liquidated earlier in the year. It could revert to the old d'Antin name.

#1030 GSiebert

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 19:11

Sad to see Spies digging his own grave.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 19:50

Sad to see Spies digging his own grave.


Better he jumped from Yamaha rather than being pushed...

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 19:56

Sad to see Spies digging his own grave.

I don't think that is what he is doing at all. I think he believes he could shine among the 4 Ducati riders, and frankly I would expect him to be the best Ducati next year.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 20:27

Sad to see Spies digging his own grave.



There's not likely to be a way back from that.



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Posted 12 September 2012 - 21:20

Regarding Spies:

Guess he figured he was out of yam anyway, and BMW withdrew.



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Posted 12 September 2012 - 21:26

Incidentally, Chaz Davies's win in Race 2 was the first victory in the series for a satellite RSV4 -- in fact he's become the only rider to win a WSBK race on it whose name isn't Max Biaggi. After Nori Haga came very close at the Nurb last season, this is a pretty welcome development. Also -- given that Davies is 6ft+ -- one that fairly dented the received wisdom that only someone as small as the Roman Emperor could ride the thing effectively...

Probably because Chaz is a better rider than Laverty and Camier, I would have thought.


The Moto2 recruitment office seems to be gaining respect. Bradl, Marquez, Smith and now Iannone all signed up to well-supported rides. Redding still might follow. "I raced with Marquez" seems to be a good CV point for a young rider nowadays.

Hopefully Scott won't end up on a CR bloody T.

Incidentally, watched all the "Superbike Sunday" action today and I must say I thought the entertainment was largely superb, especially Glen Richards' win in BSS, a cracking ride I thought. :up:


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 22:15

I think Ducati have assembled a decent team, especially considering that the aliens won't go there again. Though, considering that the last alien who drove for them gave up as soon as it became apparent that the bike won't be fixed in a second, they might be wise to stick with humbler riders.

I wonder if Dorna will tell BS to start making the tires more Ducati friendly so they can get back into it.

Also it looks like all 3 satellite teams will get closer factory support next year which can be only good.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 22:19

By the way that also means Abraham won't be riding a Ducati next year as well, but that was expected.

Edited by GSiebert, 12 September 2012 - 22:20.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 22:36

By the way that also means Abraham won't be riding a Ducati next year as well, but that was expected.

Yeah that was in the news a month or two ago. Abraham's dad doesn't want to lease a Ducati again.

As for Spies I don't think it's that bad of a choice. Getting factory spec is cool. And if he can manage to perform better than Rossi things wont be terrible. Especially if Rossi manages to screw up his 2nd career with Yamaha.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 22:36

By the way that also means Abraham won't be riding a Ducati next year as well, but that was expected.


Cardion had already announced that they wouldn't be running a Ducati next year. Presumably they'll be joining the CRT ranks.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:49

Twins won 15, the fours 11 races last year. Thats hardly a domination. And Biaggi missed 6 races too. It looks to me that Melandri, Biaggi, Laverty and Rea were too inconsistent to beat Checa to win the WC.

Checa won all 15 of those, though. It was most definitely a domination.

I don't think that is what he is doing at all. I think he believes he could shine among the 4 Ducati riders, and frankly I would expect him to be the best Ducati next year.

Yea, that definitely sounds probable.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:58

[quote name='Seanspeed' date='Sep 13 2012, 06:49' post='5917807']
Checa won all 15 of those, though. It was most definitely a domination.

Ducati riders in 2011: Guintoli, Smrz, Berger, Giugliano ... You can't put them in the same category as Checa, Biaggi, Haslam, Melandri, Laverty, Camier, Haga, Rea, Sykes, Fabrizio or Corser. With more competitive riders on Ducs, Checa couldn't have won 15 races.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:18

Im glad to see Spies stay in MotoGP. As probably the best American rider since Rainey, that is where he belongs.

#1043 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:27

Eh, Kenny Roberts Jr. was sandwiched between Rainey and Spies. He was pretty good.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:32

Lol are you kidding me? What the hell has Spies ever done? He's not better than Kocinski or Edwards were either.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:49

Well, he ended the dominance of one of the best riders to ever race in America. He managed to outclass an experienced field and win WSB in his first attempt, on tracks he'd never been to, and set a record for most poles in the process. Oh, and he also completely embarrassed his teammate in the process, you know that guy riding around on that green bike now thats getting all the praise. He's won a GP, and probably should have won another. As far as I know he is the only Tech 3 rider to put that bike on pole, and he did it in his rookie season.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:00

Yes he did all that, he was America's next champion but as things stand now he is looking to be something of a failure in the premier class. All that potential yet he is going to a satellite Ducati next year.

He is on arguably the best bike on the grid and he is doing nothing, he is being hammered by his team-mate, he is even playing second fiddle to the two satellite Yamahas.

As things stand now, as much as I like him and want him to succeed, it is unlikely Spies will be spoken of with the likes or Roberts, Rainey, Kocinski or Edwards outside of America.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:21

It's just my opinion but I rate him higher than Roberts Jr., Kocincky, Edwards and Hayden, who is not mentioned yet.

This year has been a disaster but you can see the potential is there. Around Indy 3 years running, even the always consistent Lorenzo cant match his pace.

Anyway, he belongs in MotoGP. In WSBK it would be too easy for him as we saw in 2009, where he dominated on a bike that Sykes was no where on.

With a WSBK title in his only season and a MotoGP win, I think he has already achieved more than Edwards. Edwards himself was very impressed with Spies when they were teammates.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:08

Ducati riders in 2011: Guintoli, Smrz, Berger, Giugliano ... You can't put them in the same category as Checa, Biaggi, Haslam, Melandri, Laverty, Camier, Haga, Rea, Sykes, Fabrizio or Corser. With more competitive riders on Ducs, Checa couldn't have won 15 races.


2011:

1 factory Ducati won 1 races.
the other 6 factory's 12 or 14 bikes won 11 races (less then Carlos only).

The current point situation between Max & Carlos much more represents those years, when they were team-mates in Yamaha.

PS: Giugliano was only a wild-card in 2011...


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:03

The current point situation between Max & Carlos much more represents those years, when they were team-mates in Yamaha.


I'm glad that so easy to compare the results in two different series. :well:

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:38

Ducati riders in 2011: Guintoli, Smrz, Berger, Giugliano ... You can't put them in the same category as Checa, Biaggi, Haslam, Melandri, Laverty, Camier, Haga, Rea, Sykes, Fabrizio or Corser. With more competitive riders on Ducs, Checa couldn't have won 15 races.

But he did. He did win FIFTEEN of the races that year.