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2012 - MotoGP, WSB, Moto2, WSP, AMA, BSB Part II


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#1201 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:35

Like Biaggi perhaps?;)

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#1202 Seanspeed

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:41

Like Biaggi perhaps?;)

Nah. Biaggi has a really specific style that I dont think meshed with the Suzuki as well as he does with this Aprilia.

EDIT: Though I suppose he could have still.

Edited by Seanspeed, 18 September 2012 - 15:45.


#1203 Risil

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:45

Agreed. It's especially hard to forecast these things in Moto3 and Moto2 with so much potential for those big steps forward. One thing I forgot to include was the possibility of someone coming in from a national series, WSS or STK600. You just never know.


Matt Roberts IIRC on the BBC broadcast said that Paul Bird was talking to Sam Lowes about riding a CRT bike next year. Whether that means Sam's management is also talking to teams in other classes, I don't know. It would be a logical step, although after Gino Rea's experience I reckon a lot of WSS frontrunners may think twice about making the move. I don't know of any other riders who are young and up-and-coming enough to stand out in the intermediate class. Michael van der Mark, who wildcarded at Assen's Moto2 round last year, is currently leading the STK600 championship. Don't know much about him. But as Kenny Roberts, Sr says, until you've got real prototypes being raced in national-level events, the best GP riders will inevitably come from the little CEV-Moto3-Moto2 ladder.

Hopefully the introduction of Moto3 bikes into national 125GP classes will improve things slightly. Although as things stand in the Brit category, there's (I think) one Moto3 bike campaigned by reigning champion Kyle Ryde -- he's away on Red Bull Rookies duty half the time, and when he's in Britain his bike always breaks down. Still too expensive to run, compared to the 15-20 year old Honda two-strokes that dominate the class.

Now, Daytona Sportbike is such a hodge-podge of rules, surely they could fit in a few Moto2 prototypes with detuned CBR600 engines? ;)

Edited by Risil, 18 September 2012 - 15:48.


#1204 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 16:40

It'd never go over here, not until they start being sold second hand or something. You can buy Cameron Beaubier's R6 for $25,000. That will get you a set of forks from a Moto2 bike.

I suppose it's easier in the UK, Spain, Italy etc. when travel expenses are relatively low. For a privateer in Supersport or Sportbike here a majority of their expenses come not from tires or entry fees but from fuel, lodging and lost salary. There are actually teams running Supersport that exist only to provide transport and pit crew as pooling resources is the only way that some guys can afford it.

Kenny is totally right though. The Spanish Invasion is 100% due to CEV structuring their series specifically to develop riders that can be promoted to the world stage. It seems counter productive to send your best talent away but it fills the grids by having kids travel from all over the world to ride CEV.

It would be nice to see Sam make the switch. He's a more legitimate frontrunner than Gino was and Kenan just rode like an ass in Moto2. Sam seems like a more reasonable measuring stick for how experience and talent crosses over. I guess Cluzel answers that some but then it's tough to tell how good of a bike Forward puts on track.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 17:26

Lowes and Cluzel aren't teammates?

#1206 Risil

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 17:48

Cluzel rode for Forward Racing in Moto2. Although they did well with the orphan Kawasaki in 2009 so I'd be a bit surprised if they were doing anything major wrong.

Edited by Risil, 18 September 2012 - 17:49.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:57

Cluzel rode for Forward Racing in Moto2. Although they did well with the orphan Kawasaki in 2009 so I'd be a bit surprised if they were doing anything major wrong.

Honestly, I've been wondering what the hell is up with Forward Racing, we know de Angelis has more talent than to be riding around at the back of the Moto2 grid.. although his race results don't look to bad on paper. His qualy's have been terrible lately.

#1208 GSiebert

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:37

Loris Baz has signed for one more year at Kawasaki. :up:

#1209 GSiebert

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:11

You were wondering whats Neukirchner was going to do ?
http://www.crash.net...k_comeback.html

#1210 GSiebert

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:46

This time, Liberty has no bike for Maxime Berger for the Portimao race. :well:
They will enter only 2 bikes with McCormick and Lanzi.

#1211 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:40

Is Liberty folding completely or what?

#1212 montoyasminion

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 20:04

Might as well, if they are only going to field paying backmarkers.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 21:20

Provisional MotoGP calendar leaked?

http://www.bikesport..._medium=twitter

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 21:44

List of changes betw 2012 and leaked 2013 calendar:

* Season opens a week earlier.
* 2 races (TBD) added between Qatar and Jerez.
* Estoril is gone but we knew that.
* Britain used to be between Catalunya and Assen, it's now right after Brno.
* Japan used to be the first end of season flyaway race, it's now the last flyaway before the return to Valencia.

Questions left, what are the two extra races gonna be?

* India most likely.
* Only one week gap with next race, so it can't be Austin... Could it be Abu Dhabi or Bahrain?

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 22:20

It's the Argentina date. Not sure about India for the other one, as the freighting implications are frightening. Argentina and Austin seems more likely as a possible combination for those TBC dates, with India not making it onto the calendar.

Could be 17 races again next year, in other words. Spain appears to be keeping all four of its events, which is sensible given how a Spanish lockout of premier class wins next year is a real possibility.

Edited by Risil, 20 September 2012 - 22:23.


#1216 Risil

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 22:27

And Qatar is still the worst possible place for a season curtain-raiser, IMHO.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 23:16

Losail is just an awful circuit, period.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 23:39

Qatarcould use a modified layout.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 08:22

Qatarcould use a modified layout.


The track is ok IMO, there were some good races in the past, especially 2005. The problem is the bikes and the starttime. As Burgess said in Rossi's book, night is for picking up girls, not for racing.

Edited by piszkosfred, 21 September 2012 - 08:23.


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#1220 GSiebert

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:03

Latest news/rumors :

WSBK will race at Jerez in 2013, still uncertain if this is a new round or if it will replace Aragon.
Rea has signed at Ten Kate Honda for one more year.
Guintoli in talks with Swan Yamaha.
Tommy Hill, Shane Byrne and Alex Lowes are being considered by Paul Bird for his MotoGP ride next year. Hill will most probably go to WSBK though.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 13:44

Latest news/rumors :
Rea has signed at Ten Kate Honda for one more year.

Someone must have been signed for the Gresini bike then......

#1222 bonneville

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 15:19

Regarding the 2013 MotoGP calendar:

There's already an official twitter handle for the Argentina GP, they claim they have secured the 14 april 2013 date.

Follow them on https://twitter.com/ArgentinaMotoGP

Here is a track map for the Autodromo Termas de Río Hondo
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#1223 GSiebert

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 17:49

WSBK is back at Laguna Seca next year :up:
With Jerez it now makes 7 tracks in common with MotoGP.

Edited by GSiebert, 21 September 2012 - 18:05.


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Posted 21 September 2012 - 18:37

WSBK is back at Laguna Seca next year :up:
With Jerez it now makes 7 tracks in common with MotoGP.

How far apart are wsb and AMA rules these days?
Too far apart for there to be wildcards?

#1225 GSiebert

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 18:58

AMA bikes are close to Superstock machinery, that's 2-3s a lap slower than WSBK.

#1226 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 19:28

AMA tires are shit though. But yeah, the rules are definitely quite a bit different. The WSBK R1 looked more like a MotoGP bike than an R1. http://www.superbike...e/2011/wsc_ama/

Josh Hayes could do well in WSBK but that's it. Josh Herrin lacks some speed at the moment but wouldn't have a problem stooping to Melandri's level of politeness.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 20:40

Hector Barbera has signed a two year contract with the Avintia Blusens team.

#1228 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 20:47

Hope they've got a nice manufacturing facility if Hernandez is staying as well.

#1229 Atreiu

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 22:14

Form the layout, the Argentinian circuit looks promising.

#1230 GSiebert

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 22:40

At least you can tell it wasn't made by Tilke.

#1231 GSiebert

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:12

WSBK @ Portimao

The 3 championship contenders at the top before Superpole :

1. Max Biaggi (Aprilia Racing Team) Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'42.800
2. Tom Sykes (Kawasaki Racing Team) Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'42.940
3. Marco Melandri (BMW Motorrad Motorsport) BMW S1000 RR 1'42.997
4. Leon Haslam (BMW Motorrad Motorsport) BMW S1000 RR 1'43.278
5. Eugene Laverty (Aprilia Racing Team) Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'43.283
6. Loris Baz (Kawasaki Racing Team) Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'43.436
7. Jonathan Rea (Honda World Superbike Team) Honda CBR1000RR 1'43.441
8. Leon Camier (FIXI Crescent Suzuki) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'43.536
9. Davide Giugliano (Althea Racing) Ducati 1098R 1'43.558
10. Carlos Checa (Althea Racing) Ducati 1098R 1'43.568
11. Michel Fabrizio (BMW Motorrad Italia GoldBet) BMW S1000 RR 1'43.700
12. Sylvain Guintoli (PATA Racing Team) Ducati 1098R 1'43.867
13. Chaz Davies (ParkinGO MTC Racing) Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'43.872
14. David Salom (Team Pedercini) Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'44.244
15. Ayrton Badovini (BMW Motorrad Italia GoldBet) BMW S1000 RR 1'44.429
16. Brett McCormick (Team Effenbert Liberty Racing) Ducati 1098R 1'44.480
17. Hiroshi Aoyama (Honda World Superbike Team) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.569
18. Lorenzo Zanetti (PATA Racing Team) Ducati 1098R 1'44.790
19. John Hopkins (FIXI Crescent Suzuki) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'44.865
20. Alexander Lundh (Team Pedercini) Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'45.158
21. Lorenzo Lanzi (Liberty Racing Team Effenbert) Ducati 1098R 1'45.682
22. Matteo Baiocco (Red Devils Roma) Ducati 1098R 1'46.344
23. Norino Brignola (Grillini Progea Superbike Team) BMW S1000 RR 1'46.891

#1232 GSiebert

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:24

Announcement expected from Honda WSBK this afternoon, Rea and Haslam as riders and PATA as new sponsor.

Edited by GSiebert, 22 September 2012 - 10:25.


#1233 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:18

Guinters screwed again?

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:40

Regarding the 2013 MotoGP calendar:

There's already an official twitter handle for the Argentina GP, they claim they have secured the 14 april 2013 date.

Follow them on https://twitter.com/ArgentinaMotoGP

Here is a track map for the Autodromo Termas de Río Hondo
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What is it with new circuits an sharp corners?

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 14:05

Next year also on the superbike calender Jerez and Laguna Seca. :up: :)

Nice to see those tracks on there it makes next season of WSBK even more fun to watch.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 15:20

Might as well, if they are only going to field paying backmarkers.


I find it amusing that you refer to McCormick as a 'field paying' backmarker. I thought he didn't have a pot to piss in.


#1237 montoyasminion

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 16:15

Mostly was a dig at Lanzi.

Only thing I know about McCormick is that he is Canadian. And he had that big crash. Thats about it.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 16:34

Announcement expected from Honda WSBK this afternoon, Rea and Haslam as riders and PATA as new sponsor.



A dream team riders-wise, but I don't understand why Rea and Haslam go with Honda. It will be the same old tired CBR next year, that hasn't been a title contender for several years already.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 16:40

A dream team riders-wise, but I don't understand why Rea and Haslam go with Honda. It will be the same old tired CBR next year, that hasn't been a title contender for several years already.

Perhaps JR (and Leon maybe?) are on a promise........... :confused:

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 16:49

Perhaps JR (and Leon maybe?) are on a promise........... :confused:


A promise of what? They will not get a Repsol Honda ride, and then it's only two customer bikes left that could be anywhere near the front in motoGp. I don't see what promise that Honda can make in WSBK that isn't already present in current competitors like BMW where Haslam come from.

#1241 GSiebert

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 17:21

Its confirmed : http://www.crash.net...m_for_2013.html

By the way Honda has announced they are building a new Supersport machine, and there are strong rumors that the new Fireblade is on its way as well.

#1242 GSiebert

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 17:46

PATA will also sponsor the WSS Honda Team, with Zanetti and Van der Mark (watch this guy !) as riders.

#1243 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 18:26

The Honda 1000 isn't really older than the others.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 18:56

True dat. I think its 4 years old, like the Ducati and the Suzuki, the BMW and Aprilia are 3 years old, the Kawasaki 2 years old.

Edited by GSiebert, 22 September 2012 - 18:56.


#1245 Atreiu

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 21:37

When does that customer CRT come out?

#1246 BigCHrome

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 22:16

Didn't Haslam get the boot from BMW? It's not like he chose to leave them to go to Honda.

#1247 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 22:31

A promise of what?

Hey, who knows, just speculating, like. A CRT ride perhaps...........? Gotta be something keeping JR (at least) on the HRC payroll, surely. I would have thought that other teams would be having a sniff, no?


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Posted 22 September 2012 - 23:34

Rea had to choose between ride in one of the best WSBk teams (big salary, competetive bike etc) for title or ride on CRT bike for single points and CHANCE to join HRC's satellite team in 2014-2015. Today Moto GP is not always the best choice, CRT in particular. Just like a decade ago in the golden era of WSBK

#1249 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 23:40

I'll get jumped on for this but how impressive was Rea really? The last time a Superbike racer stepped in was Hayes and Nakasuga last year at Valencia. That was also a mixed weather weekend and in Hayes' case his very first time on the bike. Nakasuga came home 24 seconds behind Stoner and Hayes was 33 seconds back. Rea finished 43 seconds behind Lorenzo in a race with a shorter overall elapsed time. Johnny knew Misano, not sure that Josh or Nakasuga knew Valencia.

Not saying that Johnny is rubbish but I didn't understand the glowing reviews that he got. Cal Crutchlow finished 34 seconds back from the leader in his first GP after having I believe 2 days more of testing then Johnny did? *shrug* For sure he'd get faster but I can't imagine that anyone is blowing his phone up trying to get him on their bike for next year just based on Misano.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 00:25

In Moto GP factory bikes are busy for the next two years, and most of satelite bikes (prototypes) are locked for next 2 seasons.
In SBk Rea has big salary, competetive bike, full support from Ten Kate and chance for winning races. For him ride on CRT it will be a degradation. Even Moto2 riders are not especially interested to ride on CRT. It shows the total failure of the current MGP model with prototypes and CRT.



and PATA as new sponsor.

Confirmed Why italian snack company join to dutch team with 2 british riders?
From 2014 MGP in Italy will be available exclusively on pay tv (Sky Sports) soo that will make sponsoring WSBK teams very attractive for Italian companies, because form 2013 Italia 1 (one of the main FTA tv channels in Italy) switched to WSBK on a multi-year deal. Yeah, sounds silly, but Dorna really cut off from their second-largest market.

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Sykes 1st at SP again.

1. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 41.415s
2. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 1m 41.780s
3. Eugene Laverty IRL Aprilia Racing RSV-4 1m 41.789s
4. Marco Melandri ITA BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1m 42.015s

5. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Racing RSV-4 1m 42.140s
6. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1m 42.271s
7. Jonathan Rea GBR Honda WSBK CBR1000RR 1m 42.717s
8. Chaz Davies GBR ParkinGO MTC Aprilia RSV-4 1m 43.459s

9. Leon Camier GBR FIXI Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 42.767s
10. Davide Giugliano ITA Althea Ducati 1098R 1m 42.799s
11. Sylvain Guintoli FRA PATA Ducati 1098R 1m 42.995s
12. Loris Baz FRA Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 43.199s

13. Brett McCormick CAN Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1m 43.410s
14. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia Goldbet S1000RR 1m 43.483s
15. Michel Fabrizio ITA BMW Italia Goldbet S1000RR 1m 43.863s
16. David Salom ESP Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 44.479s

Did not progress to Superpole

17. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Honda WSBK CBR1000RR 1m 44.569s
18. Lorenzo Zanetti ITA PATA Ducati 1098R 1m 44.790s
19. John Hopkins USA FIXI Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 44.865s
20. Alexander Lundh SWE Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 45.158s
21. Lorenzo Lanzi ITA Liberty Effenbert Ducati 1098R 1m 45.682s
22. Matteo Baiocco ITA Red Devils Ducati 1098R 1m 46.344s
23. Norino Brignola ITA Grillini Progea BMW S1000RR 1m 46.891s


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Smrz gives Splitlath Redmond debut front row
+ Kuba was 1st at FP3. Very impressive debut.

Edited by PokePoke, 23 September 2012 - 00:41.