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#2001 GSiebert

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 14:59

How will wildcards be possible with the 4 bikes per manufacturer rule ?

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#2002 Rob

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 15:06

How will wildcards be possible with the 4 bikes per manufacturer rule ?


I don't know. Presumably the four bikes are the full time entries and the odd wildcard is allowed?

#2003 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 17:57

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This guy looks like Guintoli. :drunk:

EDIT:

Sorry, this is Max Neukirchner. :drunk: :drunk: :drunk: :drunk: :drunk:

Edited by Tarzaan, 30 October 2012 - 19:49.


#2004 GSiebert

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 19:17

Not really :lol:

#2005 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 19:50

Not really :lol:



Upps :drunk:


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#2006 DrProzac

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 21:11

I don't mind singing the same tune, even though Stoner's doubters may never open their eyes, so I thought I'd post this link. :up:

I was never a Stoner fan personality wise, but it must be said that his retirement is a big shame for motocycle racing. We're loosing one of the best motocycle riders and perhaps the most naturally gifted one from the current pack. I'm sure that the championship would be better with him next year.

Plus, watching him ride was always a pleasure.

#2007 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 23:08

Well he is a relative! Fortunately Osama was the black sheep and the rest of them are fairly normal.


Osama Smart? :lol:


#2008 Tarzaan

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:37

Batta e Ducati vicini all'accordo

http://www.gpone.com...ll-accordo.html

So, the article suggerst a Checa-Guintoli line-up in the new Ducati (factory or Alstare?) WSB team. Francis Batta would be the boss/team manager.

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It is interesting. Ducati doesn't want a team named Althea-Ducati, but a Ducati-Alstare/Alstare Ducati is fine for them. Or it was just because Giugliano?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:19

How will wildcards be possible with the 4 bikes per manufacturer rule ?


Probably subbing in for an injured rider.

#2010 GSiebert

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:56

It is interesting. Ducati doesn't want a team named Althea-Ducati, but a Ducati-Alstare/Alstare Ducati is fine for them. Or it was just because Giugliano?

I believe Ducati wanted a factory team anyway, so they had to cut the budget they usually give to Althea, which would explain why Althea splitted with Ducati.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:12

Osama Smart? :lol:


That's him. Always tinkering with his bikes was Osama.

#2012 GSiebert

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:30

Probably subbing in for an injured rider Spies.

Fixed :p


#2013 Rob

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:33

Didn't spot this before but Alastair Seeley has left Tyco Suzuki.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 13:17

http://www.motorcycl...mains-in-doubt/

Argentine MotoGP round looking doubtful.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 14:02

http://www.motorcycl...mains-in-doubt/

Argentine MotoGP round looking doubtful.


Everybody knew there will be problems with the Repsol sponsorship in Argentina. :rolleyes:


#2016 Tarzaan

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 14:33

Just rumor yet, but almost sure: Althea Kawasaki...

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 14:44

Just rumor yet, but almost sure: Althea Kawasaki...


Alstare Ducati and Althea Kawasaki... Don't know if I'll be able to get my head around that! I think it might take a while.

#2018 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 17:16

Didn't spot this before but Alastair Seeley has left Tyco Suzuki.

No surpise at all really, he's been a waste of a decent seat for the Tyco team. Surely he'll end up back in Supersport where he excels.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 17:22

I wonder what was up with Seeley, he wasn't too bad in 2010 to my recollection, so it's not like the bikes are too big but he went backwards all year from his last lap slip in race one round one.

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#2020 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 17:34

Anthony West has failed a doping test

#2021 Ellios

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 17:53

Anthony West has failed a doping test



Whilst mentioning anything to do with cycling is bound to bring derision from the massed hordes - when it comes to doping in sport, what it has shown is the rabbit hole goes deep, very deep. Ant West has got off lightly

visitors of The Clinic Forum will be all too aware of how advanced (expensive) doping in sport has become

#2022 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 17:59

Anthony West has failed a doping test

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Anthony West looks set to miss the forthcoming Valencia Moto2 season finale after being handed a one-month ban following the results of an anti-doping test at Le Mans in May.

A prohibited stimulant, Methylhexaneamine, was found during the analysis.

According to Wikipedia, Methylhexaneamine was originally intended as a nasal decongestant and "has been marketed as a dietary supplement in combination with caffeine and other ingredients, under trade names such as Geranamine and Floradrene, to be used as an over-the-counter thermogenic or general-purpose stimulant."

An addiction to nasal spray, you say?

#2023 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 18:11

Ah, sounds like a weight loss/exercise thing.

#2024 Tonka

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 18:31

Anthony West has failed a doping test


What a laughable penalty. He's been allowed to continue racing for 5 months and receives what amounts to a 1 race penalty. Haven't the morons at the FIM learned a thing from the mess that is professional cycle racing ?

All of his results after May should be binned and his international licence suspended for a year. Otherwise, other druggies will continue in the knowledge that all they will receive is a slap on the wrist.

Edited by Tonka, 31 October 2012 - 18:33.


#2025 ehagar

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 18:53

Ah, sounds like a weight loss/exercise thing.


Yeah, it's in several over the counter training supplements.

I completely disagree with some other posters that put it in the same catergory as cycling doping.


#2026 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 19:36

What was it, 10 years ago that Haga was re-appealing his bans over ephedrine(?) nearly every race weekend?

#2027 goldenboy

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 19:41

How bizzare.. Also, it takes them that long to find out the results?

#2028 Atreiu

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 19:49

How silly. As long as he wasn't on crack over the bike, who cares?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 20:35

Why am I not surprised that this happened to Ant West. He's the Rio Ferdinand of bike racing.

#2030 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 21:47

Why am I not surprised that this happened to Ant West. He's the Rio Ferdinand of bike racing.

You mean he looks like a ferret?  ;)


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 22:20

As the four bikes per manufacture was mentioned at the top of this page, why has DORNA imposed this limit when bike numbers are struggling and the championship is in need of more bikes fighting at the front of the grid?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 22:36

How silly. As long as he wasn't on crack over the bike, who cares?


Because the lighter the rider is the faster the bike goes, so its a performance enhancing drug.

#2033 GSiebert

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 22:40

As the four bikes per manufacture was mentioned at the top of this page, why has DORNA imposed this limit when bike numbers are struggling and the championship is in need of more bikes fighting at the front of the grid?

I think the idea was to prevent (for example) Honda from having 10 bikes on the grid which would have make very difficult for new manufacturers to shine.

Edited by GSiebert, 31 October 2012 - 22:40.


#2034 Rob

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 22:40

As the four bikes per manufacture was mentioned at the top of this page, why has DORNA imposed this limit when bike numbers are struggling and the championship is in need of more bikes fighting at the front of the grid?


I don't know. It's a stupid rule. I'm not sure that Dorna are in the business of thinking things through.

#2035 Atreiu

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 00:24

Because the lighter the rider is the faster the bike goes, so its a performance enhancing drug.



How mant times have gone about Pedrosa and weight debates here at the BB? We've already been here, bike racing dynamics are much more complicated than simply being lighter to accelerate more. Midget riders have not really had overwhelming success. Besides that, bike racing can do without this moral crusade.

I think it's silly, but obviously there are people who don't.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 00:47

How mant times have gone about Pedrosa and weight debates here at the BB? We've already been here, bike racing dynamics are much more complicated than simply being lighter to accelerate more. Midget riders have not really had overwhelming success. Besides that, bike racing can do without this moral crusade.

I think it's silly, but obviously there are people who don't.


It's very complex, but there's a reason the FIM were weighing all the Moto2 riders during the Phillip Island weekend. Somewhere there's a trade-off between being light on the bike and being able to put your weight where you want it. And needless to say the trade-off may be different for different bikes.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 01:52

Sykes and Baz complete 2 test days at Valencia. Sykes' best lap of 1m 32.8s would've put him 2nd last year's MGP grid. Wow.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:34

Speedweek says Marquez' team is hacking the ECU

overriding the quickshifter to keep pumping fuel through
apparently espargaro's team cottoned on and implimented recently as well...


Edited by lbennie, 01 November 2012 - 02:36.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:42

Speedweek says Marquez' team is hacking the ECU

overriding the quickshifter to keep pumping fuel through
apparently espargaro's team cottoned on and implimented recently as well...


No man, his visibly superior acceleration is down to his talent!!

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 03:57

What was it, 10 years ago that Haga was re-appealing his bans over ephedrine(?) nearly every race weekend?


Yeah, just about. 2000... eventually he was made to sit out. I was kinda perplexed with that one at the time as well.

I really think they need to re-evaluate what they are testing for. It's guys like the Go-show you really want to find...


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:44

Yeah, just about. 2000... eventually he was made to sit out. I was kinda perplexed with that one at the time as well.

I really think they need to re-evaluate what they are testing for. It's guys like the Go-show you really want to find...

Because Marajuana truly is THE performance enhancing drug....... :stoned:

#2042 GSiebert

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:30

Just read a french article where Lin Jarvis says Yamaha will be back in WSBK when the costs will be down, hopefully in 2014.

#2043 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:39

Just read a french article where Lin Jarvis says Yamaha will be back in WSBK when the costs will be down, hopefully in 2014.

Story in English http://www.motorcycl...-to-WSB-return/

I have said for a while WorldSBK rules need to be closer to Superstock and the same throughout the world

#2044 Atreiu

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:24

Don't you guys think HRC would have picked it up if they were signing a cheat whose results cannot be fully trusted to talent and preparation alone?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:05

Don't you guys think HRC would have picked it up if they were signing a cheat whose results cannot be fully trusted to talent and preparation alone?

How would they know his team was cheating ?

Edited by GSiebert, 01 November 2012 - 12:06.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:10

Suzuki warned on MotoGP return plans

#2047 Atreiu

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:14

How would they know his team was cheating ?


They are HRC. He has been under their umbrella for a while, certainly there must have been people in and out of the their pits with full access to telemetry and etc for a long enough time.
I guess. I can't be 100% sure.

#2048 Tarzaan

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 18:04

Just read a french article where Lin Jarvis says Yamaha will be back in WSBK when the costs will be down, hopefully in 2014.



Story in English http://www.motorcycl...-to-WSB-return/

I have said for a while WorldSBK rules need to be closer to Superstock and the same throughout the world



Well, with this price (to change the superbikes closert to superstock) i say stay in GP Mr. Jarvis.

I don't see why WSB rules need to be closer to a Superstock rules. This is superbike, not superstock. These are serial/production based prototype bikes and that is why people like this series.

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Imho the japanese championship and Suzuka 8hours & WSB use the same technical rules (maybe AMA too), so they still develope a WSB spec bike, to not racing there is just politic.

Edited by Tarzaan, 01 November 2012 - 18:07.


#2049 GSiebert

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 18:23

I dont know about the JSBK but no the AMA rules are much closer to Superstock than WSBK.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 18:55

Aoyama will sub for Hernandez at Valencia.