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2012 - MotoGP, WSB, Moto2, WSP, AMA, BSB Part II


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#2101 GSiebert

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 19:43

Or maybe other teams don't have the money for this trick ?

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#2102 Atreiu

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 20:24

Still wouldn't be cheating.
Hasn't it been said somewhere Espargaro's team caught up with some tricks? His general form suddenly took a leap.

#2103 GSiebert

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 20:43

Still wouldn't be cheating.

I know, just saying maybe Marquez' team didn't outsmart everybody else, but only outspent. But that's just me thinking.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 21:11

I know, just saying maybe Marquez' team didn't outsmart everybody else, but only outspent. But that's just me thinking.


The two things frequently go hand in hand, especially in control formulae like Moto2.

#2105 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 21:28

Ray of hope for Redding?

What price Karl Mason in Moto2 in 2013?  ;)

#2106 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:30

Hmm. http://www.roadracin.../?article=50221

#2107 Tarzaan

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:57

Alstare Ducati outcome expected this week
http://www.crash.net..._this_week.html


Interesting comment:

as I already said, they're waiting for Biaggi's press conference on Wednesday, which will announce the Batta-Biaggi agreement to run with the Ducati next season.

Bevilacqua was the main obstacle between the Ducati-Biaggi project, now he's out of the way...

The alternative is that Biaggi will announce retirement, and there will be one factory ride available, after Guintoli will sign for Aprilia or Ducati...

Guintoli knew something was going on with both Aprilia-Ducati, that's why he broke the agreement with Suzuki despite the fact there wasn't any visible factory ride available...

Everything rotates around Biaggi decision, which didn't find an agreement to continue with Aprilia (discussions have been going on since last summer...)


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Edited by Tarzaan, 06 November 2012 - 07:57.


#2108 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:40

Ties in with Soup's http://www.superbike...ov/1211054x.htm

Althea takes over the factory Aprilia team and runs it as semi works which Max is none too happy about

#2109 GSiebert

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:09

So we lose one team in the process. :well:

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:31

Max is none too happy about

Oh well........

#2111 Rob

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:43

John McPhee has signed to take Louis Rossi's vacated ride in the Team Germany squad next year in Moto3.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:50

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Chaz Davies on the S1000 RR

#2113 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:03

John McPhee has signed to take Louis Rossi's vacated ride in the Team Germany squad next year in Moto3.


Good move for the lad.
Really looking forward to the day Brad Ray arrives in Moto3.


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Chaz Davies on the S1000 RR

Looks more suited to that bike than the Aprilia, IMO.


#2114 GSiebert

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:45

Aoyama signs with Avintia Blusens in MotoGP for 2013. :clap:

:well:

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:37

Aoyama signs with Avintia Blusens in MotoGP for 2013. :clap:

:well:


Good to have him back in MotoGP. Wonder why he could not adjust to the Honda CBR 1000RR in WSBK.
Did not expect him to be so low down the order as compared to Rea.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 17:40

Ties in with Soup's http://www.superbike...ov/1211054x.htm

Althea takes over the factory Aprilia team and runs it as semi works which Max is none too happy about



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#2117 Tarzaan

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 17:42

The Team Effenbert story is over.

#2118 GSiebert

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 17:55

The Team Effenbert story is over.

This says the Effenbert and Pata teams have folded : http://www.twowheels...test-at-mugello
And you were saying WSBK rules are perfect ? Are we going to have 20 bikes on the grid next year ?

Edited by GSiebert, 06 November 2012 - 18:17.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 18:08

Damn. The irony is stupendous that WSBK's problem is all factories and no privateers, and MotoGP's problem is too many privateers and hardly any factories.

And proof that as things stand, the two series have an unhealthy symbiosis.

Edited by Risil, 06 November 2012 - 18:09.


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#2120 GSiebert

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 18:25

Aprilia was the only full factory team in 2012 in fact this year. Provec runs the factory Kawasaki team, same for Ten Kate and Honda, or Alpha Racing and BMW.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 18:27

Aprilia was the only full factory team in 2012 in fact this year. Provec runs the factory Kawasaki team, same for Ten Kate and Honda, or Alpha Racing and BMW.


Semantics. ;)

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 18:34

I don't think so, I am not sure these factores would be there if they had to run their team by themselves.

Edited by GSiebert, 06 November 2012 - 18:37.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 18:52

I don't think so, I am not sure these factores would be there if they had to run their team by themselves.


A few of those "independents" were works teams in all but name though. Possibly a hangover from the political MSMA withdrawal over regulation changes in 2003. Alpha Racing was a works outfit (their website has them down as an "Official Partner" of BMW Motorrad), and BMW Italia is a national dealer team in the style of Spies/Melandri-era Yamaha, or Honda UK's running of the Castrol outfit from 1994(?)-2002. Althea Ducati, Ten Kate Honda and Provec Kawasaki are less transparent, but I find it hard to believe that significant development wasn't done by the factories. On the other hand, I find it very easy to believe that Suzuki HQ had little to do with the Crescent/Yoshimura Japan effort, besides perhaps some financial contribution for the brand exposure. I have no sources, btw, so don't treat anything I say as authoritative. :)

Any meaningful definition of a "factory" outfit has to be based on the level of works development and support the race team has. That's generally not public information, unless the team/dealer/manufacturer wants it to be so. And that's why attempts to clearly define teams as factory or privateer invariably fail.

Still, the question about whether the factories would be there minus a willing "independent" partner is an interesting one. But ultimately, the bike manufacturers always find a way. As they will continue to do in a Superstock-based 2014 formula.

Edited by Risil, 06 November 2012 - 18:53.


#2124 Tarzaan

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 21:52

This says the Effenbert and Pata teams have folded : http://www.twowheels...test-at-mugello
And you were saying WSBK rules are perfect ? Are we going to have 20 bikes on the grid next year ?



Not perfect, but close to perfect.

Some teams gone, but some teams come.

Next year

at least 4 Kawa
at least 3 Aprilia
at least 3 Ducati
at least 2 Suzuki
at least 2 BMW
at least 2 Honda


This is 16 but I think there will some more Duc (Barni) and BMW, or might be other bikes too.

#2125 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:51

Biaggi has announced his retirement

#2126 Rob

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:55

Biaggi has announced his retirement

It's probably the right thing. Better to go out on top on his own terms.


Also, Seeley to Gearlink Kawasaki

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:59

So Guintoli's reneging on his contract was inspired?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:59

Also, Seeley to Gearlink Kawasaki

I wonder what Ben Wilson thinks of that?


#2129 Tarzaan

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:05

Biaggi has announced his retirement



Schumi, Casey, Biaggi.

Very bad for motorsport and very bad for me :(

But it was not a surprise. He win his 2nd (6th) title, he has a lovely wife and 2 little bambinos.

Thx everithing Max and good luck to you in your new life!

PS: his tweet from this morning:

https://en.twitter.c...052984599875584

Edited by Tarzaan, 07 November 2012 - 10:12.


#2130 GSiebert

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:06

So Guintoli's reneging on his contract was inspired?

Looks like he knew something we didn't :)





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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:17

I wonder what Ben Wilson thinks of that?


I think both of them are going to struggle unless the team improve the bike. The Kawasaki seems to be behind the Triumph and the Yamaha performance-wise.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:39

Schumi, Casey, Biaggi.


Don't forget Coulthard!

Happy for Biaggi, a couple of errors were creeping into his game last year, but still won the title. The perfect time to retire.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:58

Will miss Max Biaggi very much,he was the reason why I started to watch motorcycle racing in the nineties.I have followed his career after that,he was the only rider I like until Jorge came along.Good luck Max.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:23

Awh crap.
Dunno who i'm going to not support next year!

I suppose Melandri has shown he's well capable of taking Mad Max's place....

Could be good for Laverty though - the team was always centred around Biaggi

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 14:49

ciao, Roman Maestro.




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Posted 07 November 2012 - 23:52

So.....
Now that Yamaha are willing to lease 4 engines, is there any chance Kenny Roberts might find his way back into the Moto GP paddock?
McWilliams is still doing a bit of racing so he won't even have to look far for a rider!

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:02

So.....
Now that Yamaha are willing to lease 4 engines, is there any chance Kenny Roberts might find his way back into the Moto GP paddock?
McWilliams is still doing a bit of racing so he won't even have to look far for a rider!


CRT?

Edit:

http://www.motorcycl...re-crt-by-2014/

Sounds ok'ish.

Edited by Nova, 08 November 2012 - 10:04.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 14:11

Aprilia and Piaggio Group thank Max Biaggi
http://www.worldsbk....max-biaggi.html

WSS » Toth, PTR joins forces for 2013
"To be joining this team and using the best machinery in 2013 is a boost for me and I am excited about what results we can achieve together" - Imre Toth.
http://www.crash.net...s_for_2013.html

Toth and PTR Honda join forces
http://www.worldsbk....oin-forces.html

Edited by Tarzaan, 08 November 2012 - 14:54.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 15:16

Biaggi gets off his bike - "I'm retiring now"
Milano, 07 November 2012

The reigning Superbike Champion has announced his retirement: "I’m not like certain politicians, who just like to sit around and feel comfortable doing nothing. I’m making the decision to retire now. I turned down a deal with Aprilia that’s worth exactly the same as the one I’m on.” But he’d already warned his fans via Twitter: "Nothing will be the same as before"


"Biaggi took time to make his mind up, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing: he even walked away from a new offer from Aprilia and a tempting offer from his friend and manager, Francesco Batta. Batta offered him the chance to open a new page in the chapter of his career with an official Ducati ride and the new Panigale SBK. A 2-year contract was on the table as well as the chance to take over from Valentino Rossi. But, at the age of 41 and after thousands of battles, Biaggi didn't feel he wanted to."

http://english.gazze...148516559.shtml


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 16:54

http://www.sport-bik...ogp-_a4979.html

This says Althea's boss will be at Valencia this weekend, looking for a spot as CRT next year with Giugliano.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 17:01

http://www.sport-bik...ogp-_a4979.html

This says Althea's boss will be at Valencia this weekend, looking for a spot as CRT next year with Giugliano.



So they don't become th Aprilia "factory" team as some source mentioned.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 17:14

http://www.sport-bik...ogp-_a4979.html

This says Althea's boss will be at Valencia this weekend, looking for a spot as CRT next year with Giugliano.


Interesting. Although I'm not sure that Giugliano's style would suit a MotoGP bike.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 17:47

Biaggi gets off his bike - "I'm retiring now"
Milano, 07 November 2012

The reigning Superbike Champion has announced his retirement: "I’m not like certain politicians, who just like to sit around and feel comfortable doing nothing. I’m making the decision to retire now. I turned down a deal with Aprilia that’s worth exactly the same as the one I’m on.” But he’d already warned his fans via Twitter: "Nothing will be the same as before"


"Biaggi took time to make his mind up, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing: he even walked away from a new offer from Aprilia and a tempting offer from his friend and manager, Francesco Batta. Batta offered him the chance to open a new page in the chapter of his career with an official Ducati ride and the new Panigale SBK. A 2-year contract was on the table as well as the chance to take over from Valentino Rossi. But, at the age of 41 and after thousands of battles, Biaggi didn't feel he wanted to."

http://english.gazze...148516559.shtml

I would have loved too see Biaggi on the new panigale but i can understand that he thinks it's time to quit.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 18:06

So they don't become th Aprilia "factory" team as some source mentioned.

And this also means the WSBK grid is probably going to be smaller than MotoGP (which has 24-25 entries right now).

Edited by GSiebert, 08 November 2012 - 18:15.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 22:51

A full-length character portrait of Max Biaggi, by Dean Adams, who's the master of such things. A long read, but a very very good one.

Max has two children now and is more apt to talk about kids than he is racing. He's not warm and cuddly, but once, at the end of the day at Portimao, I walked in the dark to find my car and found Biaggi huddled over his scooter talking casually to a group of people. At first I assumed that his scooter had run out of gas, but Biaggi was just enjoying the moment, talking and joking with fans. That this was the same tormented soul from 2005 was amazing to me.

Back then, Biaggi was one of those riders that you worry about after racing. They drift along, find nothing to replace the intensity of the racing life and begin a gradual downward spin into obscurity. Lacking normal life coping mechanisms, they seem unable to maintain relationships and everything just begins to crash. But Max is pretty grounded now; still a perfectionist and doesn't suffer fools very well; however not every set back pulls the lever on an eventual nuclear winter.

Even with four 250 titles and two WSBK titles to his credit, Biaggi will be forever linked with Valentino Rossi, their on-track battles, their handbag fights in the press, the fist-fight at Barcelona and the rest. Whereas it used to be a sore subject to bring up "46" around Max, now, Biaggi, if a friend or a fan asks him about Rossi, Max will just shake his head and say, "Yeah, I tried to slay a giant once ..."


Edited by Risil, 08 November 2012 - 22:57.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 23:33

Casey; still time for a few more digs before he retires!!
:stoned:  ;)

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 23:41

A full-length character portrait of Max Biaggi, by Dean Adams, who's the master of such things. A long read, but a very very good one.

Was just about to stick up this link!
Great read

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 00:18

Great, great read!

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:10

Casey; still time for a few more digs before he retires!!
:stoned: ;)


Well I think he's right, but he is being idealistic.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:20

Well I think he's right, but he is being idealistic.


Well, apart from the bit about Portugal. Might as well move the Australian Grand Prix to Pukekohe or somewhere, because it's almost basically in the same country.