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#201 Deluxx

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 14:02

He did say he was retiring from bike racing, didn't he?


Idk, heard it on tv.

Kinda new to moto... whats a good year to check out?


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#202 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 16:30

Idk, heard it on tv.

Kinda new to moto... whats a good year to check out?


2000, Rossi's first premier class title on the NSR Honda, brilliant. IMO.


#203 GSiebert

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 17:56

Rossi was spotted at the Yamaha HQ this morning.

#204 Nova

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 18:00

Idk, heard it on tv.

Kinda new to moto... whats a good year to check out?



1990. Wayne Gardner with broken ribs and god knows how many broken bones in his leg win his home GP, faring in just as bad shape as Gardner him self. Garnder is my absolute favorite rider in the premier class. 1997, his championship year is also worth a watch.

#205 Nova

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 18:01

Rossi was spotted at the Yamaha HQ this morning.



Saw in a link above that Rossi waited for an offer from Honda, but it never came. Saying something about Livo not liking him? I think Rossi would have been Hondas best chance for a championship next year, but other than that not a great loss.

#206 Atreiu

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 18:52

2006!

#207 hammibal

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 19:23

Saw in a link above that Rossi waited for an offer from Honda, but it never came. Saying something about Livo not liking him? I think Rossi would have been Hondas best chance for a championship next year, but other than that not a great loss.

Sounds like Rossi would have preferred not to go up against Lorenzo again

#208 Hippo

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 19:33

Sounds like Rossi would have preferred not to go up against Lorenzo again

Or he hoped he could use a Honda offer as leverage to get a better deal. But if he really expected an offer from Honda he is delusional. Nakamoto already made his comment in the lines of "now you can proof the rider is more important than the bike." Also Honda never had an open seat. I believe they planned to replace Pedrosa with Marquez. Stoner's decision may have surprised them a bit, but keeping Pedrosa under the circumstances was a no-brainer. Either way, there was never an option for Rossi.

#209 carbonfibre

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 19:35

2000, Rossi's first premier class title on the NSR Honda, brilliant. IMO.

? Kenny Roberts Jr on the Suzuki you mean?;) I think you were talking about 2001.

#210 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 19:50

? Kenny Roberts Jr on the Suzuki you mean?;) I think you were talking about 2001.

Typo, sorry peeps! :drunk:


#211 Seanspeed

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 19:51

2006!

Thats a good one.

I'd also recommend the 2005 250cc season. Its got the same protagonists as today's MotoGP basically(Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Dovi), but with better action.

#212 monza2001

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 21:06

Rossi was spotted at the Yamaha HQ this morning.


guido meda ‏@guidomeda

@Beacher72 @motomatters bullshit. No reason to to in Holland while Jarvis and YMR are in Italy and Vr at the beach.

#213 GSiebert

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 21:11

WSBK QP1 @ Silverstone :


1. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 2m 06.115s
2. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 2m 06.148s
3. Sylvain Guintoli FRA PATA Ducati 1098R 2m 06.576s
4. Leon Camier GBR FIXI Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2m 06.617s
5. Chaz Davies GBR ParkinGO MTC Aprilia RSV-4 2m 06.684s
6. Jakub Smrz CZE Liberty Effenbert Ducati 1098R 2m 06.795s
7. Eugene Laverty IRL Aprilia Racing RSV-4 2m 06.851s
8. Lorenzo Zanetti ITA PATA Ducati 1098R 2m 06.869s
9. Maxime Berger FRA Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 2m 06.967s
10. John Hopkins USA FIXI Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2m 07.007s
11. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia Goldbet S1000RR 2m 07.089s
12. Marco Melandri ITA BMW Motorrad S1000RR 2m 07.244s
13. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 2m 07.401s
14. Niccolo Canepa ITA Red Devils Ducati 1098R 2m 07.404s
15. Loris Baz FRA Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 2m 07.499s
16. Michel Fabrizio ITA BMW Italia Goldbet S1000RR 2m 07.658s
17. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Racing RSV-4 2m 07.723s
18. Jonathan Rea GBR Honda WSBK CBR1000RR 2m 07.740s
19. Davide Giugliano ITA Althea Ducati 1098R 2m 07.810s
20. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Honda WSBK CBR1000RR 2m 07.996s
21. David Salom ESP Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 2m 09.438s
22. David Johnson AUS Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 2m 10.043s
23. Norino Brignola ITA Grillini Progea BMW S1000RR 2m 11.645s
24. Brett McCormick CAN Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 2m 13.730s

Biaggi & Rea outside superpole at the moment.
Good stuff from Guintoli on his new PATA Ducati. :)

Edited by GSiebert, 03 August 2012 - 21:11.


#214 montoyasminion

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 21:14

Concerning Rossi/Lorenzo and Yamaha, I've been trying to figure out the race in 2009 (I think) where Vale and Jorge were banging into each other trying to pass one another. I can't figure it out. Anyone know which race this was?

#215 carbonfibre

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 21:16

Wasnt that Motegi?

#216 GSiebert

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 21:20

Motegi 2010.;)

#217 kosmic33

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 23:24

Hmmmmm......

http://superbikeplan...g/120803oo1.htm

He'd definitely be entertaining anyway & already has 2 (or 3?) days running on an RCV!

#218 Buckethead

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:22

Hmmmmm......

http://superbikeplan...g/120803oo1.htm

He'd definitely be entertaining anyway & already has 2 (or 3?) days running on an RCV!


They can sign him to crash Lorenzo out every race (if he ever is close enough) :cat:

#219 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:25

I'd back JR to do at least as well as Cal is doing at the moment, on the right machine.

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#220 armchair expert

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 10:26

1990. Wayne Gardner with broken ribs and god knows how many broken bones in his leg win his home GP, faring in just as bad shape as Gardner him self. Garnder is my absolute favorite rider in the premier class. 1997, his championship year is also worth a watch.


I was at PI for that one! Epic race, could watch that one a few more times. :)

Mick Doohan may disagree about 1997!  ;)

#221 Nova

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:18

I was at PI for that one! Epic race, could watch that one a few more times. :)

Mick Doohan may disagree about 1997! ;)



87 it is :wave:

#222 Arn

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 13:03

Didnt Rea test the Honda MotoGP bike a few times already the last couple of years?

If he would have really impressed, wouldnt he already be on a Honda in MotoGP?

#223 Atreiu

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 13:03

Rossi and Loreno had huge battles at Motegi 2010, Barcelona 2009, Sachsenring 2009.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 13:07

Rossi and Loreno had huge battles at Motegi 2010, Barcelona 2009, Sachsenring 2009.

You could add Brno 2009 until Lorenzo crashed, trying to defend on the outside in turn 3.

Interesting that Rossi won all the battles where they had similar pace.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 13:33

Lorenzo's never been so impressive when it comes to head-to-head battles IMO. Not sure what it is but he can't seem to brake as late or keep tight lines like Stoner and Rossi are able to. Even last week at Laguna Lorenzo was losing a lot of time in turns one and two compared to Stoner who was much tighter and quicker through them

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 13:51

You could add Brno 2009 until Lorenzo crashed, trying to defend on the outside in turn 3.

Interesting that Rossi won all the battles where they had similar pace.


Fairly meaningless statement, in my opinion. It should be expected that a more experienced, most successful rider of all time in Rossi should beat a relatively inexperienced Lorenzo in a head-to-head. That isn't interesting, that is logical. Also, before Rossi injured himself in Mugello, Lorenzo was the faster rider in early 2010 so they usually don't have similar pace. Likewise, we are talking about several years ago now and Lorenzo has become substantially more experienced since.

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#227 Atreiu

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 15:49

Rossi is the alien of aliens regarding track battles. Because they must all be pretty good to have ever been successful 250cc riders.

I might just buy a video pass at Motogp.com to watch some old 250 racing and see what is was like when the aliens were there!


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Posted 04 August 2012 - 16:57

Fairly meaningless statement, in my opinion. It should be expected that a more experienced, most successful rider of all time in Rossi should beat a relatively inexperienced Lorenzo in a head-to-head. That isn't interesting, that is logical. Also, before Rossi injured himself in Mugello, Lorenzo was the faster rider in early 2010 so they usually don't have similar pace. Likewise, we are talking about several years ago now and Lorenzo has become substantially more experienced since.

I dont know. A 15 year old Vinales won a few head to heads against a seasoned Terol, and you can argue that there is alot more close battles in the lower classes, so that by the time a Lorenzo has reached his 2. or 3. year in MotoGP, he has plenty of experience in this field at the top level.

I dont want to go in the direction your are heading but Lorenzo has said himself, that he never beat Rossi to the championship on equal machinary and equal footing. Im sure he thinks that he could though.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 18:56

I dont know. A 15 year old Vinales won a few head to heads against a seasoned Terol, and you can argue that there is alot more close battles in the lower classes, so that by the time a Lorenzo has reached his 2. or 3. year in MotoGP, he has plenty of experience in this field at the top level.

I dont want to go in the direction your are heading but Lorenzo has said himself, that he never beat Rossi to the championship on equal machinary and equal footing. Im sure he thinks that he could though.


Because as soon as Lorenzo got the experience and confidence necessary to win the championship Rossi got scared and ran off to Ducati.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 20:05

Fairly meaningless statement, in my opinion. It should be expected that a more experienced, most successful rider of all time in Rossi should beat a relatively inexperienced Lorenzo in a head-to-head. That isn't interesting, that is logical. Also, before Rossi injured himself in Mugello, Lorenzo was the faster rider in early 2010 so they usually don't have similar pace. Likewise, we are talking about several years ago now and Lorenzo has become substantially more experienced since.

I think we've seen a few times that Rossi can be quite ruthless against major rivals to the point of even crashing them out, i daresay he would still beat Lorenzo in a head to head but how often will he have the pace to keep up?

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 20:07

Because as soon as Lorenzo got the experience and confidence necessary to win the championship Rossi got scared and ran off to Ducati.

Well thats after he tried to get Yamaha to ditch Lorenzo but failed

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 20:09

Please don't turn this thread into your typical F1 thread of fanboys.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 20:27

I dont know. A 15 year old Vinales won a few head to heads against a seasoned Terol, and you can argue that there is alot more close battles in the lower classes, so that by the time a Lorenzo has reached his 2. or 3. year in MotoGP, he has plenty of experience in this field at the top level.

I dont want to go in the direction your are heading but Lorenzo has said himself, that he never beat Rossi to the championship on equal machinary and equal footing. Im sure he thinks that he could though.


If he has said it (I haven't read the quote myself), then it's fairly hard to disagree with him.

I think we've seen a few times that Rossi can be quite ruthless against major rivals to the point of even crashing them out, i daresay he would still beat Lorenzo in a head to head but how often will he have the pace to keep up?


I agree, I hope Rossi goes back to Yamaha and faces Lorenzo again, only in a sense with roles reversed. It would be fascinating, much more so than watching the poor guy haul a Ducati around in 10th.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 22:15

Please don't turn this thread into your typical F1 thread of fanboys.

If you're referring to me what did i say that wasn't true?

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 22:19

I agree, I hope Rossi goes back to Yamaha and faces Lorenzo again, only in a sense with roles reversed. It would be fascinating, much more so than watching the poor guy haul a Ducati around in 10th.

Well i'm guessing Rossi will give Lorenzo more competition than the present Yamaha riders

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:44

If you're referring to me what did i say that wasn't true?

Didn't you read his post?

He said he doesnt want to have to read your typical I love McLaren/Hate Maldonado/Hate Rossi Fanboy nonsence in this thread.......

#237 Deluxx

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 04:09

WSBK QP1 @ Silverstone :


1. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 2m 06.115s
2. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 2m 06.148s
3. Sylvain Guintoli FRA PATA Ducati 1098R 2m 06.576s
4. Leon Camier GBR FIXI Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2m 06.617s
5. Chaz Davies GBR ParkinGO MTC Aprilia RSV-4 2m 06.684s
6. Jakub Smrz CZE Liberty Effenbert Ducati 1098R 2m 06.795s
7. Eugene Laverty IRL Aprilia Racing RSV-4 2m 06.851s
8. Lorenzo Zanetti ITA PATA Ducati 1098R 2m 06.869s
9. Maxime Berger FRA Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 2m 06.967s
10. John Hopkins USA FIXI Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2m 07.007s
11. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia Goldbet S1000RR 2m 07.089s
12. Marco Melandri ITA BMW Motorrad S1000RR 2m 07.244s
13. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 2m 07.401s
14. Niccolo Canepa ITA Red Devils Ducati 1098R 2m 07.404s
15. Loris Baz FRA Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 2m 07.499s
16. Michel Fabrizio ITA BMW Italia Goldbet S1000RR 2m 07.658s
17. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Racing RSV-4 2m 07.723s
18. Jonathan Rea GBR Honda WSBK CBR1000RR 2m 07.740s
19. Davide Giugliano ITA Althea Ducati 1098R 2m 07.810s
20. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Honda WSBK CBR1000RR 2m 07.996s
21. David Salom ESP Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 2m 09.438s
22. David Johnson AUS Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 2m 10.043s
23. Norino Brignola ITA Grillini Progea BMW S1000RR 2m 11.645s
24. Brett McCormick CAN Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 2m 13.730s

Biaggi & Rea outside superpole at the moment.
Good stuff from Guintoli on his new PATA Ducati. :)


Anyone have any race predictions?


#238 goldenboy

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 04:52

rossi v lorenzo on same bike is mouth watering, but don't know if rossi would be able to get close enough to him anymore to use his racecraft.

To whoever it was above saying they are going to buy subscription to watch alien 250's you have inspired me to go back to it also, good times! I remember how dissapointed I was when danny broke both his ankles in PI i believe during practice or qually one year. Also remember an interview with stoner in PI the year before making the step up to motogp and doohan asking him if he's ready to which he said 'probably not to be honest' to doohans amazement. Right there you could see where his weakness for the next few years would be.

#239 GSiebert

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:03

Anyone have any race predictions?


My guess :
If its wet : Guintoli - Sykes - Haslam
If its dry : Melandri - Sykes - Checa

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:52

At silverstone now. Already getting some spots of rain. Tiny turnout here more like a club meet, not a tenth as busy as the MotoGP.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:59

Right there you could see where his weakness for the next few years would be.

:rolleyes:

Imagine if he were prepared so... but i respect your opinion but don't agree about a weakness on this behaviour.

Edited by Boxerevo, 05 August 2012 - 08:02.


#242 GSiebert

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:12

At silverstone now. Already getting some spots of rain. Tiny turnout here more like a club meet, not a tenth as busy as the MotoGP.


I don't get why this year's WSBK attendance has been lower than usual, the racing has been amazing this year. The weather has been bad almost every weekend this year though.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 10:20

I don't get why this year's WSBK attendance has been lower than usual, the racing has been amazing this year. The weather has been bad almost every weekend this year though.

This is the 3rd big event at Silverstone in what, a month and a half?

And the Olympics are on just down the road

And theres still a recession

They'd be better off going there in late August

#244 TimRTC

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 10:20

More now but still hardly packed. Sun trying to break through...

#245 Tarzaan

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:04

What a chaotic first lap.

I hope the injuries are not serious.



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Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:08

Silverstone WSBK: Dovizioso in talks with Ten Kate Honda?

http://www.bikesport...amp;newsid=7676

As the World Superbike silly season gathers pace, Andrea Dovizoso's manager Simone Battistella has been in talks with the Ten Kate Honda team at Silverstone today.

The Italian rider is clearly keeping his options open and is believed to also be in negotiatins with Gresini Racing for a satellite Honda MotoGP ride in an effort to remain in the premier class, even if it isn't the factory motorbike he thinks he deserves.

Ten Kate are also speaking with Leon Haslam for next season as it looks very much like the Derbyshire rider won't be continuing in the re-structured BMW team which has already signed Marco Melandri and is actively pursuing Ben Spies.



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Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:23

La Marra and his wild ride on Panigale :smoking:


I don't get why this year's WSBK attendance has been lower than usual, the racing has been amazing this year. The weather has been bad almost every weekend this year though.

WSBk in most countries is broadcast by Eurosport (in contrast to the British Eurosport shows only 1st race SBK and WSS, rest live on Eurosport2 or Eurosport Player) or minor cable television channels.

MGP in most european countries is in big FTA channels (like BBC, Telecinco, Mediaset, Sport1/DSF) or biggest cable channels (like Polsat Sport, VIASAT, Eurosport France, Senanta).

Dorna has a much better platform to promote their championship. This is a very important factor. That is why Formula 1 is so popular.


EDIT: A few drops of rain and Red Flag.

EDIT2: Carlo Fiorani (Honda) confirmed that the priority of Honda WSBk is sign contract with Rea to nest year in next few days.

EDIT3: What a race in SBk. This is better than Moto3....

Edited by PokePoke, 05 August 2012 - 11:51.


#248 hammibal

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:53

Didn't you read his post?

He said he doesnt want to have to read your typical I love McLaren/Hate Maldonado/Hate Rossi Fanboy nonsence in this thread.......

I'll comment how i seem fit, it seems like its ok to criticise other riders, some of which ive defended, but not Rossi. Why is it that Rossi feels the need to pass comment on the lack of respect he's had from other riders these past few years, there seems to be a dislike in the paddock as well.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:57

Haslam, Checa, Camier, Baz, biaggi, Laverty, Sykes, Melandri in the knife fight to win.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:05

Its raining again :stoned: