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#51 Pingu Pi

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:24

so Gilles Villeneuve was also a moron?


Gilles Villeneuve doesn't have a chequered history of being Wreckless in a race car.

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#52 Jovanotti

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:24

yeah completely his fault.... :rolleyes:

You don't want to genuinely discuss Maldonados driving, do you?

Gilles Villeneuve doesn't have a chequered history of being Wreckless in a race car.

Pastor is all but wreckless :lol:

Edited by Jovanotti, 27 July 2012 - 09:25.


#53 BernieEc

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:25

That Ferrari still has quite a bit of pace to spare........

#54 Pitlane

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:28

You don't want to genuinely discuss Maldonados driving, do you?


Pastor is all but wreckless :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

#55 FenderJaguar

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:29

so Gilles Villeneuve was also a moron?


sometimes he was. in fact he was often labelled crazy at least in the beginning but hey we are at first practice in Hungary here and don't start to compare him to Maldonado

#56 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:31

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#57 4MEN

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:43

They need to do something with the run-off areas at turn 4!

#58 SCUDmissile

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:00

I don't want to be so early Antonio say this, but it feels like the good old days with the top 3.
No pesky drinks car in sight :D

#59 Alarcon

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:00

McLaren at Hungary are the fastest car. As they were at Melbourne, Malaysia, Spain, Canada and Hockenheim.

Ferrari is hiding and RB... I have my doubts!

Edited by Alarcon, 27 July 2012 - 10:01.


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#60 Mc_Silver

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:04

It will be very close fight between McLaren-Red Bull-Ferrari. Dark horse for this race is lotus

#61 HoldenRT

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:08

This track is the closest to Monaco, in terms of layout.. it's just a bit quicker with a longer straight and a faster corner or two.

Tracks like Monaco and Hungary, you won't see the drivers push 100% until Q2 and Q3. It's like this with most tracks but ESPECIALLY Hungary and Monaco.

We know nothing. Even Schumacher could get pole.

Alonso, Hamilton and the two RB's will be up there as well.. but really hard to judge anything. At least with some dry running, there is no luck/lottery factor on the setups for quali and the race.

#62 Kelateboy

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:16

This track is the closest to Monaco, in terms of layout.. it's just a bit quicker with a longer straight and a faster corner or two.

Tracks like Monaco and Hungary, you won't see the drivers push 100% until Q2 and Q3. It's like this with most tracks but ESPECIALLY Hungary and Monaco.

We know nothing. Even Schumacher could get pole.

Alonso, Hamilton and the two RB's will be up there as well.. but really hard to judge anything. At least with some dry running, there is no luck/lottery factor on the setups for quali and the race.

I have watched plenty of free practices to know that these times don't matter, but somehow, I have a niggling doubt that McLaren are the car to beat here, followed by Ferrari and Red Bull.

I am happy to be proven wrong, though. :D

#63 GX390

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:16

This track is the closest to Monaco, in terms of layout.. it's just a bit quicker with a longer straight and a faster corner or two.

Tracks like Monaco and Hungary, you won't see the drivers push 100% until Q2 and Q3. It's like this with most tracks but ESPECIALLY Hungary and Monaco.

We know nothing. Even Schumacher could get pole.

Alonso, Hamilton and the two RB's will be up there as well.. but really hard to judge anything. At least with some dry running, there is no luck/lottery factor on the setups for quali and the race.


Did you even watch the last race? Never count out Jenson.

#64 slmk

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:31

This track is the closest to Monaco, in terms of layout.. it's just a bit quicker with a longer straight and a faster corner or two.

Tracks like Monaco and Hungary, you won't see the drivers push 100% until Q2 and Q3. It's like this with most tracks but ESPECIALLY Hungary and Monaco.

We know nothing. Even Schumacher could get pole.

Alonso, Hamilton and the two RB's will be up there as well.. but really hard to judge anything. At least with some dry running, there is no luck/lottery factor on the setups for quali and the race.


Hungary is a flowing track, totally different from Monaco. The only elements they share are length, the fact that they are the slowest tracks in the calendar.

#65 BernieEc

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:38

It will be very close fight between McLaren-Red Bull-Ferrari. Dark horse for this race is lotus


hasnt that how it's been for the majority of the races....... :)

#66 Kelateboy

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:40

Hungary is a flowing track, totally different from Monaco. The only elements they share are length, the fact that they are the slowest tracks in the calendar.

IMO, Hungagoring is the closest to Monaco because both circuits are maximum downforce type of tracks.

#67 Kvothe

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:42

McLaren at Hungary are the fastest car. As they were at Melbourne, Malaysia, Spain, Canada and Hockenheim.

Ferrari is hiding and RB... I have my doubts!


Vettel thinks Ferrari has the best car, and Alonso admitted that the car has been good since Barcelona it's just been fine tuned since then.

Edited by Kvothe, 27 July 2012 - 10:42.


#68 jstrains

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:44

Of course is Lotus the dark horse, but only in color... :rotfl:

#69 Pitlane

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:47

Of course is Lotus the dark horse, but only in color... :rotfl:


You will see tomorow that the Lotus will have plenty of pace and challenge for the podiums. :)

#70 korzeniow

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:47

McLaren at Hungary are the fastest car. As they were at Melbourne, Malaysia, Spain, Canada and Hockenheim.

Ferrari is hiding and RB... I have my doubts!


McLaren drivers were on low fuel :wave:

#71 jstrains

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:49

Pitlane please remind me of it on Sunday after the race because I will probably forget :wave:

PS. But of course a 1-2 Lotus with Fernando on 3 is more welcome than a McL or RBR win :smoking:

#72 JRizzle86

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:50

McLaren drivers were on low fuel :wave:


According you your sixth sense of fuel levels.

#73 Pitlane

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:52

Pitlane please remind me of it on Sunday after the race because I will probably forget :wave:

PS. But of course a 1-2 Lotus with Fernando on 3 is more welcome than a McL or RBR win :smoking:


Will do if I can remeber that, after a bottle of JD celebrating the Lotus win ;)

#74 korzeniow

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:54

According you your sixth sense of fuel levels.


Simply by logic? How else would you explain this? They found very good pace straight away with high fuel, which they coludn't improve (or repeat) when track improved and with set up changes? This scenario doesn't make sense.

Edited by korzeniow, 27 July 2012 - 10:56.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:59

Simply by logic? How else would you explain this? They found very good pace straight away with high fuel, which they colud improve (or repeat) when track improved and with set up changes? This scenario doesn't make sense.


Upgrades, unproven in Germany practice due to weather in conjunction with Hungary upgrades have improved the car. McLaren has also won the last 5 of 7 GPs here and the most successful constructor at the track. They have a great track record here and know how to set up a car for the track. :)

Edited by JRizzle86, 27 July 2012 - 11:00.


#76 Owen

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:02

McLaren drivers were on low fuel :wave:

proof?

#77 Alarcon

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:04

Vettel thinks Ferrari has the best car, and Alonso admitted that the car has been good since Barcelona it's just been fine tuned since then.


Well I´m agree with you and with Seb, however I was talking about qualy. pace (sheer speed). The car is faster.

On the race pace McLaren (imo) has been back the Ferrari and the RB, excepting at Melbourne and Canada. In the other 9 races (race conditions and not Q3 conditions), the McLaren was the 3rd/4th car of the grid (imo).

Edited by Alarcon, 27 July 2012 - 11:07.


#78 MightyMc

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:05

Alonso looked to be ragging that car and was 0.6 off Hamilton, I think Mclaren are clear fastest on a dry track as they were last week.

Redbull you can take two ways, they are well off the pace, or they are doing serious evalution work(Flo-Vis was out)because of the banning of the maps, either way it don't look good for them.

There is a distinct difference in how Hamilton achieves his lap and Alonso, that Ferrari is a bitch to drive round here, the Mclaren looks much better and an easier drive all round.

It may all turn on it's head, but I doubt it.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:06

You will see tomorow that the Lotus will have plenty of pace and challenge for the podiums. :)



Because the hot (and similar track to Valencia). However let´s see what happens, because imo McLaren here will be stronger.

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#80 BernieEc

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:14

Lotus is always one to watch...and who knows if they will race their version of DDRS which might help them improve quali pace.........they are certainly going to be there or thereabouts

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:18

I understand that McL fans need some hope since their drivers are so much behind Alonso in terms of points, but come on, it's just FP1.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:22

Simply by logic? How else would you explain this? They found very good pace straight away with high fuel, which they coludn't improve (or repeat) when track improved and with set up changes? This scenario doesn't make sense.


Just to name a few contributing factors:

McLaren tend to start FP1s with pretty advanced set-up state due to their advanced simulation.

Especially one of their driver - who topped FP1 today too - tends to be very good on green tracks.

The Hungaroring is a driver's track, where drivers can make bigger difference. Both JB and LH are 2 times Hungarian GP winners.;)

It's not necessarily fuel weight.


And at the last weekend? The McLaren was fast in FPs and fast in the race too. It was slow only on that tyre (Q3), which it couldn't switch on (heat up).

Edited by hunnylander, 27 July 2012 - 11:25.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:23

I understand that McL fans need some hope since their drivers are so much behind Alonso in terms of points, but come on, it's just FP1.

The Mclarens were the fastest in the dry last week also, Lewis would have poled it had it not been for the rain.

This aint no flash in the pan, this is Mclaren bolting on upgrades that were well over due and getting them dialed in.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:29

This track is the closest to Monaco, in terms of layout.. it's just a bit quicker with a longer straight and a faster corner or two.

Tracks like Monaco and Hungary, you won't see the drivers push 100% until Q2 and Q3. It's like this with most tracks but ESPECIALLY Hungary and Monaco.

We know nothing. Even Schumacher could get pole.

Alonso, Hamilton and the two RB's will be up there as well.. but really hard to judge anything. At least with some dry running, there is no luck/lottery factor on the setups for quali and the race.


They're both slow speed, but they're very different apart from that. Hungaroring is full of long duration corners, where the downforce squaring effect counts for a lot (RB6 anyone?).

I don't really see how you can compare them in terms of how hard the drivers push Q2-Q3, in Monaco it's obvious why the guys who are sitting pretty don't push so hard, Hungaroring however is still a wide open circuit.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:29

Just to name a few contributing factors:

McLaren tend to start FP1s with pretty advanced set-up state due to their advanced simulation.

Especially one of their driver - who topped FP1 today too - tends to be very good on green tracks.

The Hungaroring is a driver's track, where drivers can make bigger difference. Both JB and LH are 2 times Hungarian GP winners.;)

It's not necessarily fuel weight.


Sory, but that's wishful thinking. If they ran with high fuel from the start why they didn't improve later on with improved track conditions?

And at the last weekend? The McLaren was fast in FPs and fast in the race too. It was slow only on that tyre (Q3), which it couldn't switch on (heat up).


That was diffrent baceuse everyone knew second FP will be wet. Also track suted them in Germany, regardless of their updates.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:36

McLaren at Hungary are the fastest car. As they were at Melbourne, Malaysia, Spain, Canada and Hockenheim.

Ferrari is hiding and RB... I have my doubts!


Not these again. Hamilton fastes in FP1 and suddenly McLaren is a rocketship.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:38

Sory, but that's wishful thinking. If they ran with high fuel from the start why they didn't improve later on with improved track conditions?


Sorry, you couldn't comprehend my comments at all!

They couldn't improve as much as the others, because they start with an already advanced set-up. It's flattering the car on FPs.

Ditto, a driver who's too good on green track, is flattering the car.

So the car is not as good as it seems at the beginning of the weekend!

Edited by hunnylander, 27 July 2012 - 11:40.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:41

But bad positions as 13 and 15 are very unusual for RBR even in free practice...

Edited by jstrains, 27 July 2012 - 11:42.


#89 korzeniow

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:42

Sorry, you couldn't comprehend my comments at all!

They couldn't improve as much as the others, because they start with an already advanced set-up. It's flattering the car on FPs.

Ditto, a driver who's too good on green track, is flattering the car.

So the car is not as good as it seems at the beginning of the weekend!


And you can't comprehend my comments. They didn't improve at all from their early pace. Did their advanced setup degraded in terms of its advancement?

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:49

And you can't comprehend my comments. They didn't improve at all from their early pace. Did their advanced setup degraded in terms of its advancement?


Maybe they added more fuel to the car? Or maybe tyres started to drop off? There are lots of things teams try to evaluate in practice sessions so let's wait and see how things develop through the qualifying


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:50

But bad positions as 13 and 15 are very unusual for RBR even in free practice...

Yeah, but Vettel's sector times on his in lap at the end of FP1 say otherwise. They were quite comparable.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:53

Maybe they added more fuel to the car? Or maybe tyres started to drop off? There are lots of things teams try to evaluate in practice sessions so let's wait and see how things develop through the qualifying

This. Don't know who is fastest, Alonso set his fastest time at the very end on 20+ lap tyres and the McLaren looked seriously hooked up.

It's still early days.

#93 korzeniow

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:58

Track temperature is 45. I persume it will raise even more

#94 jstrains

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:01

Air 29. Here we go again...

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:01

Just to name a few contributing factors:

McLaren tend to start FP1s with pretty advanced set-up state due to their advanced simulation.

Especially one of their driver - who topped FP1 today too - tends to be very good on green tracks.

The Hungaroring is a driver's track, where drivers can make bigger difference. Both JB and LH are 2 times Hungarian GP winners.;)

It's not necessarily fuel weight.


And at the last weekend? The McLaren was fast in FPs and fast in the race too. It was slow only on that tyre (Q3), which it couldn't switch on (heat up).


Lewis would have been a 3-time winner there, had it not been for the team screwing his race.

#96 mlsnoopy

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:03

At the moment it looks like some teams could try a 1 stop race.

#97 Pendejo

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:05

At the moment it looks like some teams could try a 1 stop race.


Do you know the lottery numbers for next week?

#98 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:07

Lotus looking quick already.

#99 hunnylander

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:08

And you can't comprehend my comments. They didn't improve at all from their early pace. Did their advanced setup degraded in terms of its advancement?

That's a different complex matter I didn't even touched. There are so much variables and changing through the weekend.

Their relatively advanced starting set-up is advanced compared to the rivals only. It doesn't mean they are the fastest potential team for Sunday with the final race set-up. And it doesn't predestined them for big improvements compared to the rivals. It does the opposite. The rivals advance more, catch up and overtake through the weekend.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:08

Grosjean feeling the pressure..