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#1 Cavani

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:27

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?

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#2 mtknot

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:28

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?


that was mighty boring....

#3 BMW4life

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:30

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?


Good one... :lol:

#4 cutchemist42

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:31

All i was thinking was why is this track on the calendar....I don't care if they keep paying, the spectacle is terrible.

#5 RealRacing

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:14

Dude I think you need to re-check who are considered purists...

#6 Nathan

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:24

Good post!!!!

#7 Cavani

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:28

Dude I think you need to re-check who are considered purists...


well, they see drs as artificial racing , pirellis as raw eggs , and they like turbulent air apparently

#8 fieraku

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:33

Now this is a race


Sign me up.

#9 jjcale

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:38

This was proper racing by the drivers .... I never noticed any of the problems you noted as the different strategies provided the excitement

#10 fieraku

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:45

I'll take balls2theWall precision driving over any 'oh wait for DRS zone or tires to fall off overtake'. Watching the boys pound fast laps all race long,well...... :love: .
Best race by far.

#11 ViMaMo

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:03

Why did you watch Hungary when you know that overtaking is difficult here?

Lewis won, Kimi finished close behind. It wasnt FA or SV. Every race need not be great.

DRS zone stayed the same as last year, but it didnt work out. Big deal.

#12 BigCHrome

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:19

I'd rather have no overtaking than fake DRS overtakes.

#13 Peat

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:21

Perhaps it was a little sedate, but the overtakes that did happen were all the more exciting.

#14 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:22

All i was thinking was why is this track on the calendar....I don't care if they keep paying, the spectacle is terrible.

Because Hungary is a great country who loves motorsport. :rolleyes:

Hungary :up: :up:

Crowd did not appear to be significantly smaller than the Hockenheim round as far as I could tell.

Sure the track isn't good, but modified Hockenheim is a pretty awful nothing track too!

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 30 July 2012 - 05:34.


#15 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:26

This was proper racing by the drivers .... I never noticed any of the problems you noted as the different strategies provided the excitement

I rather disagree. :confused:

Short of being a Hamilton fan there was minimal excitement.

Therefore we were left to watch:

The track - Ultra fast and thrilling? Nope... boring
The cars - Fat, wide V12 powered beast? Nope... boring
The drivers - Exciting personalities? Nope. Awkward conservations rather.
Aquapark - Yes, the most exciting park of the race weekend. I don't see the main straight being taken with a 1200 degree spin the way the big slide can be. :cool:

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 30 July 2012 - 05:33.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:34

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?


and the best driver winning. Yes, I did enjoy the race very much. :clap:

#17 Starish

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:47

I'd say this circuit was an exception.

#18 Atreiu

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:02

Yes, of course. Defensive driving must be rewarded now and then. Same goes for qualifying. Whats the point of blistering q laps when DRS can make it meaningless?

You can always download and watch Turkey 2011 if you get too bored.

#19 skinnylizard

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:02

watching Kimi push was pretty amazing. couldnt watch but kept an eye on the time when Vettel was pushing which was pretty furious too.
i dislike Hungary and i like action on the track but that does not mean overtaking alone. it was tense till the last lap. this is the hand we have been dealt with the season. nought we can do.

Edited by skinnylizard, 30 July 2012 - 07:12.


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#20 Ramses1348

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:04

I'd rather have no overtaking than fake DRS overtakes.


this :up:

and i'm not sure where the OP got that anybody liked "turbulant air" and its consequences :confused:

Edited by Ramses1348, 30 July 2012 - 07:06.


#21 Little Leaf

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:18

I'm no fan of DRS as such, but have suffered so many boring races/seasons with hardly any overtaking that I am willing to put up with it until they finally (if they ever do) sort the aero side of things out.

Much prefer DRS, KERS and Pirelli tyres over Max Moseley or anybody else telling me I should treat F1 as a chess match. No thanks.

#22 ensign14

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:34

It's a bit of a false analogy. Because a purist would not countenance racing at Hungaboring. Not when there are things like the Nordschleife and Reims still on the planet.

#23 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:41

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?

what I've seen is racing not instant passing if you're on the better rubber.
different strategies, kimi pushing like hell on old softs taking away 2nd place etc.

Kimi's stint looked like michael's 1998 stint

#24 anbeck

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:56

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?


That was exactly what went through my head yesterday!! :up:

Up to lap 65 I hoped that there would be a freakish tyre-thing happening, but then I understood that it was just a boring race. Even Maldonado's crash was a disappointment!

#25 skid solo

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:57

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?


Except Grosjean said it was impossible to overtake because following Hamilton closely made him slide and lose temp in his tyres.
So it's got nothing to do with the track but everything to do with the Pirellis narrow operating window AGAIN..
I for one enjoy seeing track variations and have always liked the characteristics of Hungary. It would be boring if every race was on a Tilke track.. Abu Dhabi is horrendously boring.. Give me Suzuka, Monza, Spa, Montreal and Melbourne any day.

Edited by skid solo, 30 July 2012 - 07:57.


#26 sharo

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:08

Except Grosjean said it was impossible to overtake because following Hamilton closely made him slide and lose temp in his tyres.
So it's got nothing to do with the track but everything to do with the Pirellis narrow operating window AGAIN..
...............

^This

#27 smitten

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:08

Up to lap 65 I hoped that there would be a freakish tyre-thing happening, but then I understood that it was just a boring race. Even Maldonado's crash was a disappointment!


So you were bored because the drivers were engaged in a 69-lap tactical battle without the instant and constant gratification of artificial Pirelli and DRS overtakes? You are truly the target audience for modern F1.

#28 Ferrari2183

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:22

I enjoyed the tactical aspect of the race but Hungary is a crappy track. What is the use of having a long straight when the last corner is not conducive to overtaking?

There were plenty nice battles and Kimi's second stint was one of the best of the season. Reminded me of Alonso's Silverstone stint last year where he was able to set purple laps on worn rubber.

Highlights of the race for me were Alonso's overtake on Perez and his little battle with Vettel and Vettel's begging the team to do something. I must admit that was some funny shit.

"Please guys try something"

Edited by Ferrari2183, 30 July 2012 - 08:24.


#29 Nigol

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:37

I don't think the race was boring and I enjoyed it, like Monaco.

#30 black magic

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:48

good point but would like to sense cars are being pushed to limit.

fact is nothing is ever going to make up for the deficiencies in this track

probably the 1 gp to miss every year

#31 smitten

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:49

good point but would like to sense cars are being pushed to limit.


No car is going to push the current tyres to the limit as they are not designed to reward that kind of behaviour.

#32 rhukkas

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:50

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?


Purists, in general, don't like the aerodynamic dependency. Crap race it was, but so is open flaps and shit tyres.

#33 flyer121

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:50

I'd rather have no overtaking than fake DRS overtakes.


I would say the same if Vettel had won .. :)

And Vettel would have won if he led after T1 .. but lets be honest - this track sucks a$$

#34 Ramses1348

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:52

So you were bored because the drivers were engaged in a 69-lap tactical battle without the instant and constant gratification of artificial Pirelli and DRS overtakes? You are truly the target audience for modern F1.


:up: :up: :up:

#35 sumpthy

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:55

Perhaps it was a little sedate, but the overtakes that did happen were all the more exciting.


What overtakes? Schumacher breezing past some HRTs?

#36 flyer121

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:05

What overtakes? Schumacher breezing past some HRTs?

To be fair there was Perez elegantly show the way to Nando as well LOL

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:06

This is closer to the F1 I'd like to see. I'd love to see refuelling back with high tyre-wear so the crossover between pitstops would be more difficult to predict - but still less artificial than the stupid DRS wing.

I'd also like to see the downforce reduced to mid-1990's level at least, because drivers could make a bigger difference those days. Now you can see a guy like Maldonado take pole I mean wtf... the car's are way too easy to drive on low fuel because all the downforce and everything.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:21

DRS, Hembery's tires and similar gimmicks cannot compensate for, and remedy a wrong turn technical regulations has taken about a decade or so under watch of MM, thus a clean sheet of paper and new approach under a new CA would be more than helpful, and good place to start.
Technical development has to correspond with tracks we race on. Second misguided notion is, that we are all equal, so must be entities and individuals in F1 - an environment where rich and famous come to play, and strive on opulence and excesses. That’s what defines F1 shine. I do not agree often with Williams, but we both are on the same page over this one. Purity could mean a lot of things to a lot of people, but for me today merely it means that driver makes racing decisions, not pitwall, and drives his equipment at its and his full potential. Nothing less, nothing more. It's not too much to ask, one would think.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:28

Well as a Lewis fan i was relieved that it wasnt possible to overtake so enjoyed the race, but as a spectacle obviously it was boring on track but there was still some interesting tactics to play out, when to pit, what tyres to use? It wasnt a gimme that Lewis was going to win given that he could have lost position after the pitstops and would his tyres last out in his final long last stint. It was said before the race that Pirelli were being conservative with the tyres and thats how it panned out with no one really having any tyres issues, this coupled with a track were you couldnt pass even with DRS must have been very frustrating for fans of other drivers and personally i think having tracks were its not possible to pass is not good for F1.

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#40 Jejking

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:29

To be fair there was Perez elegantly show the way to Nando as well LOL

That was one of the classier overtakes yesterday. But the DRS thing didn't do a damn thing. As long as you controlled the grip in the last turn, you could go seconds slower in the other sectors and there was no way to pass. Di Resta excluded.

Tactics were good, I have to say, but it seems F1 has a real problem. Monaco was just about the same story where everybody tried to hold the tyres together for the whole lap except the main straight.

Edited by Jejking, 30 July 2012 - 10:30.


#41 BullHead

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:32

Yes, I enjoyed that race.

The nature of the racing at Hungary has always been down to the track layout more than anything else, and as pointed out the Lego racer gimmicks could not even impact that fact. I'll take the odd more strategical race as we always have done, and rather not see the gimmicks thanks.

#42 BlackCat

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:43

@OP - forget pit stops...

#43 kyriakos75

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:09

hungarian gp : DRS not working at all , tyres last very well , turbulent air destroying any chance of on track overtaking , all the overtaking happened on pit stops . did u enjoy that one ?


I watched the first half of the race with Fast Forward (4x) on time-shifted IPTV and I assure you it was very enjoyable. Unfortunately I caught up with the live broadcast around lap 39, and then almost died of boredom, until the only memorable part.


#44 Cavani

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:14

for those who say they enjoyed the race , did u enjoy it more than valencia , canada , china ? if yes , u certainly have a problem

Edited by Cavani, 30 July 2012 - 11:15.


#45 gerry nassar

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:20

I think the best thing about the race was the lack of undercutting! Undercutting requires little skill. Here we atleast witnessed drivers like Kimi banging in superb lap after lap to move up in the race. Great to watch.

#46 sharo

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:25


Weren't all his (remarkable) efforts directed towards undercutting his teammate?

Edited by sharo, 30 July 2012 - 11:25.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:38

Weren't all his (remarkable) efforts directed towards undercutting his teammate?


Undercutting only requires little skill when it is a driver you don't like that is doing the undercutting...

It was a dull race. I saw almost no racing - apart from a respectful position shuffle around the first few corners of the first lap, and Alonso pulling off his pass on Perez.

The finishing order was basically dictated by who had clean air, and who managed to keep to the 2-stop strategy.

#48 lbennie

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:42

i enjoyed it
i also enjoy 0-0 draws in football.


#49 smitten

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:47

It was a dull race. I saw almost no racing


I don't think the tyres can "race". F1 currently is about making tyre last, and "racing" kills them in a lap or two. We have plenty of overtaking, but little racing.

#50 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:04

...driver makes racing decisions, not pitwall, and drives his equipment at its and his full potential. Nothing less, nothing more. It's not too much to ask, one would think.

He or she doesn't even do that in Formula Renault 2000 and indeed all the better ones like your Vettel, Kubica, Alonso, Trulli etc don't even do that in go-karts as they sign with big name professional go-kart teams. :confused: