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#1 terry mcgrath

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 00:26

With the interest in these Australian hillclimb venues ie the Huntley and Oxley Topics I thought I would try to determine where the pic below was taken.
Other NSW Hillclimb venues include: Foleys, Silverdale, Tamworth, Bumble Hill!, South Bowenfuls/Fourty Bends probably also called Lithgow?, Nowra which is probably Oxley, Hawkesbury, Annangrove, Bathurst, Young, Peak Hill, Tamworth, Cut Hill and Newcastle.
Hillclimb venues in the other states include:
Qld: Whites Hill, Ballard Hill, Toowoomba, Burleigh
SA: Collingrove, Glen Ewin
WA: Turner Rd, Byford, Albany, It is definetly not at these locations
Tas: Penguin Hill, Domain, Quorn Hill, Muddy Creek, Greens Beach Government House, Trevallyn Dam Site,
Victoria: Rob Roy, Templestowe, Mt Tarrangower, Hurstbridge, Hepburn Springs, Lakeland
ACT: Lakeview It is definetly not at these locations
to name a few used in the 1950's and early 60's
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Any thoughts as to which hillclimb venue this picture of the XK120 is taken,

my guess is the picture was taken late 1950's or early 60's although with the cars in the background it is suggested to be 1950's and the photo was picked up in Australia with other australian race pics.
Every time a Jaguar XK120,140,150 or early E type competed anywhere in Australia at a race event hillclimb or trial we have recorded in our first book "Jaguars XK's in Australia self published back in 1985. Details can be found at http://www.jtpublications.com.au/ with Sample Pages at http://www.jtpublications.com.au/book/

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:06

With the interest in these Australian hillclimb venues ie the Huntley and Oxley Topics I thought I would try to determine where the pic below was taken.

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Any thoughts as to which hillclimb venue this picture of the XK120 is taken,

my guess is the picture was taken late 1950's or early 60's although with the cars in the background it is suggested to be 1950's and the photo was picked up in Australia with other australian race pics.
Every time a Jaguar XK120,140,150 or early E type competed anywhere in Australia at a race event hillclimb or trial we have recorded in our first book "Jaguars XK's in Australia self published back in 1985. Details can be found at http://www.jtpublications.com.au/ with Sample Pages at http://www.jtpublications.com.au/book/

terry


Are we sure it is in Australia? No obvious Holdens in the car park, and the trees in the background look more like conifers to me.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:46

Are we sure it is in Australia? No obvious Holdens in the car park, and the trees in the background look more like conifers to me.

Stu


Looking at the cars in the car park I see what appears to be a late 1930's GM based "Sloper" or fastback style sedan. This particular body style was unique to Australia. I can't imagine we exported too many of those back in those days.

#4 terry mcgrath

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:35

the reason I had guessed late 1950's was the condition of the XK120 bodywork I had assumed it had a hard life
terry

"my guess is the picture was taken late 1950's or early 60's although with the cars in the background it is suggested to be 1950's and the photo was picked up in Australia with other australian race pics.
Every time a Jaguar XK120,140,150 or early E type competed anywhere in Australia at a race event hillclimb or trial we have recorded in our first book "Jaguars XK's in Australia self published back in 1985. Details can be found at http://www.jtpublications.com.au/ with Sample Pages at http://www.jtpublications.com.au/book/ "


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:55

The photo of the XK120 is taken at Rob Roy Hillclimb in Victoria, Australia.

There are two thoughts as to who the driver is, as I have two entrys from Rob Roy programmes of 1951 and 1954. An entry from the 29-1- 1951 event shows Tom Hawkes as the driver, and the 2-11-1954 entry shows G.C Newton as the driver.

Many of the buildings you can see in the photo are no longer there, as they were burnt out in the bush fires of 1962.The photo is taken just passed the first turn after

leaving the start, and is about to go over Gaze,s gully before hitting the Skyline section of the climb, which is probably the steepest part of the track.

I hope this info has been of some help. Cheers Simmo.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:29

thanks simmo for the info and I must admit I had thought of Rob Roy but 2 things put us off, one is the author leon sims of the fantastic "Rob Roy" book didn't seem think it was and secondly I have most of the Rob Roy programmes and could not pin it down to a specific entrant and.
On the basis of what you have said it then must be between tin shed corner and the spillway?
Any other info you can provide would be most welcome
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The photo of the XK120 is taken at Rob Roy Hillclimb in Victoria, Australia.

There are two thoughts as to who the driver is, as I have two entrys from Rob Roy programmes of 1951 and 1954. An entry from the 29-1- 1951 event shows Tom Hawkes as the driver, and the 2-11-1954 entry shows G.C Newton as the driver.

Many of the buildings you can see in the photo are no longer there, as they were burnt out in the bush fires of 1962.The photo is taken just passed the first turn after

leaving the start, and is about to go over Gaze,s gully before hitting the Skyline section of the climb, which is probably the steepest part of the track.

I hope this info has been of some help. Cheers Simmo.



#7 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:47

A few you missed, Terry:

Murphy's Creek, Eleanora (or is that Elanora?), Poatina, Elsmore (or Inverell). I'm sure there are more, Parkes had one too (Golden Bar?), there was Mt Panorama (from both ends).

Forty Bends is Lithgow, yes. There was also another nearby there, the name escapes me but it was where Frank Kleinig drove the wheels of the Macintyre Hudson.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:18

If you want to compile a list of Hillclimbs don't forget Leura Cascades and Hawkesbury Hill in the Blue Mountains.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:23

Tas: Penguin Hill, Domain, Quorn Hill, Muddy Creek, Greens Beach Government House, Trevallyn Dam Site,

Quorn Hall was an airfield race circuit with not a hill in site. Greens Beach was exactly that, the only hills were/are the sand dunes. Government House is situated on the Queens Domain in Hobart, the hillclimb known as Queens Domain Hillclimb.

Some other Tas climbs were Highclere (still operating under NWCC I think), Flowerdale, Browns Road near Kingston (probaly the earliest of them all), Waterworks Rd at Dynyrne, Hobart.

Another XK120 for Terry, Penguin hillclimb 1955 or 1956. I dont have anything that would indicate the driver's name.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:09

thanks for the pic this is WM Wood in XK140DHC chassis no 807013.
I don't have date of this event but he ran the car at several events between nov 55 and dec 1956
Quorn Hall nov 55
Domain H/C dec 1955
muddy creek feb 56
greens beach mar 56
evandale sprints may 56
trevallyn dam sept 56
trevallyn dam dec 56
Domain dec 56
by december 1958 the car was in NZ

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Quorn Hall was an airfield race circuit with not a hill in site. Greens Beach was exactly that, the only hills were/are the sand dunes. Government House is situated on the Queens Domain in Hobart, the hillclimb known as Queens Domain Hillclimb.

Some other Tas climbs were Highclere (still operating under NWCC I think), Flowerdale, Browns Road near Kingston (probaly the earliest of them all), Waterworks Rd at Dynyrne, Hobart.

Another XK120 for Terry, Penguin hillclimb 1955 or 1956. I dont have anything that would indicate the driver's name.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 14:37

Has anyone else got thoughts that this pic is taken at Rob Roy in Victoria
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 21:03

I've never been there, but the era and the background do suggest at least early fifties...

It doesn't look like any that I have been to.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 22:38

Not that far from Rob Roy is the suburb of Mitcham. I have read snippets about a 'climb held there in 1936. I have found & read (in local library) a Mebourne newspaper article covering the event, but there isn't much info in it. It seems to have been reasonably newsworthy/significant, but also closed down by police it seems.

Any suggestions as to how /where to find out more?
Thanks for any ideas

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 22:48

I have photos of a war-time hillclimb somewhere in that area...

Definitely during the war, quite a lot of well-known people there.. I'll see if I can remember to look it up when I get back home Monday or Tuesday, there is even a poster among those photos.

This event was stopped by the police, IIRC. Campbell McLaren (another competitor there) told me about this. Or am I confusing the poster with the grass sprints, from which I have more of Campbell's photos.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 00:17

Thanks Ray

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:46

Do any photos exist of Jack Brabham competing in the hillclimb at Kurrajong Heights NSW circa early 1950s?

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 11:49

At Kurrajong Heights, or at Hawkesbury Hillclimb (on the Agnes Banks-Springwood Road) where he made a name for himself?

I'm sure that's where the famous '4-wheel brakes' incident took place...

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 10:03

Ray, I read that there was a competition on Bellbird Hill which I believe would have been the Old Bells Line of Road up to Kurrajong Heights. If I can find the reference to it I will post the details. I guess it could be easily confused regarding the relatively close proximity.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:45

Add Gunnedah & Coolah NSW to the list.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:12

Add Gunnedah & Coolah NSW to the list.


Gunnedah? fairly flat! where?? Battery Hill? :)

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:46

A couple more 'vanished' from NSW.......Parkes and Waterfall.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 10:44

Gunnedah? fairly flat! where?? Battery Hill? :)


The lookout behind town, starts behind the retirement village & winds up the hill, 800mtrs or so I'd guess, ran there several times. Apex drive up Porcupine Hill. Just revived by the new car club from Moree.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:12

I seem to remember that at least one hillclimb was held at Goulburn on Memorial Road, the road up to the War Memorial, from the Landsdowne Bridge end. This would have been around the mid-late 60s ... :confused: ... on the other hand it might just be me remembering looking at that piece of road and imagining just how great it would be to have a hillclimb there ... :confused:

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:24

Hi Guys;
It was before my time but I believe Harboard Road in Dee Why / Brookvale in Sydney was also used as a hillclimb.
According to older residents it was used until the laite 1940's.
One of them also mentioned a fatal incident there when an (Alvis??) rolled through a fence.
Will try to find out more. Cheers.
Roger.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:24

Ray, I read that there was a competition on Bellbird Hill which I believe would have been the Old Bells Line of Road up to Kurrajong Heights. If I can find the reference to it I will post the details. I guess it could be easily confused regarding the relatively close proximity.

Old Bells Line of Road is in the street directory,as is the steep climb up to Kurrajong Heights Lookout from
the foothills past Yarramundi,road looks unaltered since 1940s appearance ,on an Australian motorsport photo site which I am trying to find again .

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:50

aussieroadracing.homestead.com , go to the Gary Baker Collection. Two shots of Arthur Wylie
in the "Ford A" spec racecar. Spectators dressed in Sunday Best,1951,Hawkesbury Lookout Hillclimb.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:33

Hi Guys;
It was before my time but I believe Harboard Road in Dee Why / Brookvale in Sydney was also used as a hillclimb.
According to older residents it was used until the laite 1940's.
One of them also mentioned a fatal incident there when an (Alvis??) rolled through a fence.
Will try to find out more. Cheers.
Roger.

Yes Harboard Road was a hillclimb, A.V. Turner crashed his Bugatti through a picket fence and was killed (I don't think it rolled, I have seen photos of the aftermath).
We had a thread about it a few years ago.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:42

This is an approximate of the route of Hawkesbury Hill climb. The start line is in the right place according to a photo I have but I am guessing the finish line.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:19

Leon Sims the author of the Rob Roy book has confirmed the venue as being Rob Roy and has guessed at early 1950's whisch is unusual given the state of the body and this ties in with Simmo's comments below.
So step 1 of 2 done.
All I need to do is identify driver and then the chassis number of the car.
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The photo of the XK120 is taken at Rob Roy Hillclimb in Victoria, Australia.

There are two thoughts as to who the driver is, as I have two entrys from Rob Roy programmes of 1951 and 1954. An entry from the 29-1- 1951 event shows Tom Hawkes as the driver, and the 2-11-1954 entry shows G.C Newton as the driver.

Many of the buildings you can see in the photo are no longer there, as they were burnt out in the bush fires of 1962.The photo is taken just passed the first turn after

leaving the start, and is about to go over Gaze,s gully before hitting the Skyline section of the climb, which is probably the steepest part of the track.

I hope this info has been of some help. Cheers Simmo.


Edited by terry mcgrath, 09 August 2012 - 11:51.


#30 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 22:33

A couple of small things...

Turner's car crashed through a picket fence and also some wattle trees. He'd confidently left a tennis match, saying he'd return after he'd won the hillclimb, the start was near the girls' high school (Mackellar?) and the finish was at the intersection on the crest of the hill, but the hill was steeper then... in parts... this can be seen if you look at the cutting it now goes through and picture the road just following the original topography.

The 'Kleinig drove the wheels off' climb was at Hartley, between Mt Victoria, Bell and Lithgow.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:41

The 'Kleinig drove the wheels off' climb was at Hartley, between Mt Victoria, Bell and Lithgow.

I think that would have been River Lett Hill at Hartley.


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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:08

Yes Harboard Road was a hillclimb, A.V. Turner crashed his Bugatti through a picket fence and was killed (I don't think it rolled, I have seen photos of the aftermath).
We had a thread about it a few years ago.

Here's the A.V. Turner thread:

http://forums.autosp...w...t=0&start=0

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 13:07

Originally posted by Catalina Park
I think that would have been River Lett Hill at Hartley.


Actually it was a road running up the hill from the Hartley (or Little Hartley?) to the link road between Mt Victoria and Bell. I think it's in the vicinity of where Harry is these days.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:24

Actually it was a road running up the hill from the Hartley (or Little Hartley?) to the link road between Mt Victoria and Bell. I think it's in the vicinity of where Harry is these days.

There is a hill from Hartley Vale to the Darling Causeway which is the access track from the shale oil works to the main rail line. There is also Berghofer's Pass from Little Hartley to Mt Victoria.

Which Harry and where is he now?

I'm sure I heard of River Lett hill being used as a hillclimb in the 30's.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 05:28

How wonderful it would be if all Australian Hill Climbs could be under the one Heading but each hill climb be in its own sub heading, it would make searching for History so much easier, any comments?????

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:54

I think that would be too hard to organise, Dan...

Michael, Harry lives in the area somewhere, but he doesn't have much of a sense of history. Clive Gibson was the one who knew where that climb was, but there's no doubt some record somewhere in a local paper archive.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:33

How wonderful it would be if all Australian Hill Climbs could be under the one Heading but each hill climb be in its own sub heading, it would make searching and for History so much easier, any comments?????


I have often commented about cross-referencing, accurate thread headings/spelling etc and good database housekeeping in the past here...but it all falls on deaf ears...same-same with image capture...forget it, is my advice :)

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 12:28

I finally found a reference (in the Windsor and Richmond Gazette of 11 July 1930) to the use of the road at Kurrajong Heights for a hillclimb competition by the New South Wales Morris Club in July 1930 - pre-dates Sir Jack somewhat but confirms the hill as a venue, along with the use of the Heights Hotel for the evening entertainment.



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Posted 29 September 2012 - 18:35

How wonderful it would be if all Australian Hill Climbs could be under the one Heading but each hill climb be in its own sub heading, it would make searching for History so much easier, any comments?????

I think the forum software only allows the creation of subforums (Motorcycle Nostalgia, Collectables, etc). Given that restriction, we are immediately faced with the question of what subforums to have. Bear in mind that each subforum needs to be viable in its own right. I know another site that has copious subforums and some only appear to get a contribution once a week and anyone interested in that topic alone has to open it fruitlessly on the other six days. We then have the question of how to handle posts that cover more than one subforum. I enjoy the Australian threads reflecting as they do a parallel universe to mine, but if they were hived off into a separate subforum I don't know if I'd look at them. But how many people would be interested in contributing and visiting a topic as specific as Australian Hillclimbs?

I have often commented about cross-referencing, accurate thread headings/spelling etc and good database housekeeping in the past here...but it all falls on deaf ears...same-same with image capture...forget it, is my advice :)

If you see a thread with a spelling mistake, or a less than helpful title, just report it to Twinny and help him out by suggesting what change to make. Likewise, if there are two threads that deserve merging, but he has in the past requested the URL of both to save him having to search.

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#40 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 18:49

Was it a stand-alone event?

Or was it part of a longer event like a trial?

#41 David McKinney

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 20:17

Assuming your question relates to Kurrajong, Ray, I think the venue was used only for tests as part of trials from 1920 (or earlier) until 1934, though there seem to have been a stand-alone events from the last year

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:37

It is almost as if people don't look at the "Historical Research" section after it was hived off with all it topics to a separate section.
I have added a piece on Huntley Hillclimb which may be of interest to readers of this Australian Hillclimb thread see:


http://forums.autosp...howtopic=161405

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#43 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:22

Orignally posted by David McKinney
Assuming your question relates to Kurrajong, Ray, I think the venue was used only for tests as part of trials from 1920 (or earlier) until 1934, though there seem to have been a stand-alone events from the last year.


Yes, it did, David...

I must have had that page open a long time before I submitted my post. Computer problems, usually, have caused this for me lately.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:32

another great thread that seems to have fallen off the tracks.
I am chasing any information on Cut Hill Hillclimb NSW which was in operation in the early 1950's with one event being held there on 25th november 1951.
Does anyone have any race reports, programmes or photos taken at the venue?
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Posted 28 July 2013 - 14:16

My research has found only one event at Cut Hill - 25th November 1951.
It was reported in AMS of December 1951

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Edited by Brian Lear, 29 July 2013 - 12:20.