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[stuartbrs]

I just saw this..

http://www.planetspo...member/12-08-03

Of all the teams they could have picked they chose ones that really SHOULD be remembered!

Any other examples of websites that totally, and completely, miss the point when it comes to historic racing car teams?

Edited by stuartbrs, 07 August 2012 - 06:29.

[quintin cloud]

The sad thing about this artical is that yes the teams were not the best of the field and so on, from these teams many a race drivers would go on to be great racing drivers and world champions example Wolf yes they were ok but out of that teams came Jodi Scheckter, world champion and the same can be said for all the rest noted in a very bad artical and looking at the end of the artical and one can see the disapproval, One needs to ask the question about the webmaster and online editer, do they know what they are doing in lettting a c**p artical like this go on the net.... ???

[Tim Murray]

I know we've had fun in other threads demolishing the absolute bollocks contained on this site, but it has to be mentioned here as well. In amongst all the nonsensical stats and other rubbish, the high (?) spot must be their reference to the team of Arthur Owen, winner of three F1 championships in the '60s:

http://f1-facts.com/...any/Arthur_Owen

[Ray Bell]

A good thing it's the "F1 Facts" website...

Otherwise people might disregard it as a source of reference.

[uechtel]

The sad thing about this artical is that yes the teams were not the best of the field and so on, from these teams many a race drivers would go on to be great racing drivers and world champions example Wolf yes they were ok but out of that teams came Jodi Scheckter, world champion and the same can be said for all the rest noted in a very bad artical and looking at the end of the artical and one can see the disapproval, One needs to ask the question about the webmaster and online editer, do they know what they are doing in lettting a c**p artical like this go on the net.... ???

Sometimes I think the problem of current sport (in general) is, that public expection is, that they want to have only contestants above the average level - which is technically impossible...

[stuartbrs]

I dont know why they didnt just add Jordon, Stewart, Hesketh, Ligier, Tyrell etc etc to that list.

In fact, it would seem unless you won a race in the last 5 years you shouldnt be remembered...

[arttidesco]

In fact, it would seem unless you won a race in the last 5 years you shouldnt be remembered...

I won't bother entertaining them with a page view then

[kayemod]

In fact, it would seem unless you won a race in the last 5 years you shouldn't be remembered...

But it's even worse than that, so many these days equate the number of wins with degrees of greatness, no real consideration allowed for other factors. Many younger fans seem to be convinced that Michael Schumacher is the greatest driver ever, most successful in a numerical sense certainly, but there are a number of reasons for that, as most on TNF will know. So MS is some way from being "the greatest" in the opinion of many, and it's just the same with teams, there have been many over the years who made a real contribution to the sport, though their results don't look that impressive if you only consider the statistics. To give just one example, Hesketh only ever won one significant race, but their overall contribution was much greater than that.

[Allan Lupton]

But it's even worse than that, so many these days equate the number of wins with degrees of greatness, no real consideration allowed for other factors.

. . and that's why we often get a bit dismissive when someone here starts one of those threads that depend on numbers rather than understanding!

There is a lot of ignorance displayed for all to see on the internet (most seemingly posted by nine-year-olds when parents are not looking!) which makes finding truth unnecessarily difficult.
Haarrrumph

[kayemod]

. . and that's why we often get a bit dismissive when someone here starts one of those threads that depend on numbers rather than understanding!

But you try telling the young of today that Sir Stirling won more than twice as many races as Michael Schumacher, and they won't believe you, they won't!

[HeskethBoy]

To give just one example, Hesketh only ever won one significant race, but their overall contribution was much greater than that.

Well said that man!

[stevewf1]

I saw this link from the Planet F1 website and was disappointed by not only this "article" but also with Planet F1 for posting the link. I enjoy some of the commentary from the Planet F1 site, but this is beneath them.

[Cargo]

I followed the link in the first post - what an ill-informed, wretched piece of work! Noticed there is no attribution to the article by the "journalist" who wrote it. Its such a shabby piece of work, I'm surprised the website hasn't taken the article down. Guess they have no shame...

[maxim64]

I followed the link in the first post - what an ill-informed, wretched piece of work! Noticed there is no attribution to the article by the "journalist" who wrote it. Its such a shabby piece of work, I'm surprised the website hasn't taken the article down. Guess they have no shame...

Didn't this genius forget to mention Fernando Alonso driving for Minardi ?

[Charlieman]

My guess is that PlanetSport were playing games, deliberately publishing a provocative piece during the silly season.

I don't have the time or energy to fact check everything in the article but it "feels" right. The narrative about the history of Lola may not be 100% spot on, but it is informed. The author is familiar with non-contemporary F1 (perhaps explaining anonymity) and has picked teams that disappointed in F1 but which are difficult to classify as failures. It was not written from a position of ignorance. The team histories aren't a rehash of Wikipedia but a lot of material was clearly borrowed from it.

F1 teams are taking their 2012 summer break so don't be surprised about silly stuff elsewhere.

[Nigel Beresford]

I suspect the initial sentence:

"We pick out the Formula One teams that nobody will remember in years to come."

is what (rightly) upsets people here, since it's patently absurd. If it had concerned the likes of, say, Forti, then it might have had some merit, but March, Surtees & Lola (et al)? Nobody will remember? Come on.

It's not poorly researched (i.e. the potted histories are basically accurate, if a bit selective), it's just a poor choice of teams to support their subject matter.

Scrolling down and looking at the comments reveals similar levels of dissatisfaction directed at the article from within the site.

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 08 August 2012 - 21:20.

[D-Type]

I know we've had fun in other threads demolishing the absolute bollocks contained on this site, but it has to be mentioned here as well. In amongst all the nonsensical stats and other rubbish, the high (?) spot must be their reference to the team of Arthur Owen, winner of three F1 championships in the '60s:

http://f1-facts.com/...any/Arthur_Owen

Well, yes, I think this is the site that had, for example, Moss and Brabham listed as teammates in 1960 as they both drove Coopers. I pointed this out to them and in time they appear to have corrected it.

There was another site which it transpires was produced by a software writer to publicise his database programme with automated functions. When I pointed out that a site giving wrong information was worse than giving no information, and after his response I told him that it was nearly 50 years since I learned the acronym GIGO = Garbage In, Garbage Out, I never heard another squeak

[stevewf1]

GIGO... That was one of the first things I learned when I took my first computer programming course way back in the day.

[D-Type]

GIGO... That was one of the first things I learned when I took my first computer programming course way back in the day.

Well, this is a history forum.

And historians keep justifying their existence by saying that we ignore the lessons from history at our peril ;)