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Edited by Mandzipop, 21 August 2012 - 21:46.
Not appropriate contribution What a piece of s**t!
Posted 21 August 2012 - 16:45
Edited by Mandzipop, 21 August 2012 - 21:46.
Not appropriate contribution What a piece of s**t!
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 17:04
This clown referred to Grojean as a lucky PAYING driver, and Raikkonen as being weak......this from a cheater who hasn't won one, not one GP!
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Edited by Mandzipop, 21 August 2012 - 21:47.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 17:10
This clown referred to Grojean as a lucky PAYING driver, and Raikkonen as being weak......this from a cheater who hasn't won one, not one GP!
http://thef1times.co...s/display/06588
Edited by Mandzipop, 21 August 2012 - 21:49.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 17:44
somewhat harsh
but growjohn could be bring money in one way or another, that wouldnt be a surprise.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 17:45
Well at least he finished second in one Grand Prix... that's probably more than what you or I will ever achieve
Posted 21 August 2012 - 18:01
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 18:21
This clown referred to Grojean as a lucky PAYING driver, and Raikkonen as being weak......this from a cheater who hasn't won one, not one GP!
http://thef1times.co...s/display/06588
Edited by Mandzipop, 21 August 2012 - 21:47.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 18:24
I used to sympathise with the guy - "poor kid - F1 carrieer ruined by Briatore, etc"
But if he really said those things found in that article - he doesnt have my sympathy anymore
Or maybe he's just a bitter, cocky little kid easily manipulated by the media...
Posted 21 August 2012 - 18:27
I think four years is about time to cool down from emotions and to be able to make more educated and balanced comments
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 18:57
i see Piquet should have had time to cool down, but people here can have a go at him whenever they like to. i do not understand why he cannot express his opinion.
so he doesn't have your sympathy after what, that he said out what likely most non-biased people think, that Kimi is lazy and therefore Grosjean looks better (remember Massa 2008-2009), but Grosjean is nothing special...
Edited by korzeniow, 21 August 2012 - 18:57.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 19:31
You can express your opinion in educated manner or in primitive manner. i think many people have issue in that
Posted 21 August 2012 - 19:32
Villeneuve Jr vs Piquet jr 1-1 then
Posted 21 August 2012 - 19:49
Posted 21 August 2012 - 19:53
i see Piquet should have had time to cool down, but people here can have a go at him whenever they like to. i do not understand why he cannot express his opinion.
so he doesn't have your sympathy after what, that he said out what likely most non-biased people think, that Kimi is lazy and therefore Grosjean looks better (remember Massa 2008-2009), but Grosjean is nothing special...
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 21:09
Having clicked the link I pretty much agree with what Piquet said. I think the Lotus performance this year is a lot more car than driver. I genuinely don't think Grosjean was going to be that good instantly or Kimi up to speed that quickly.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 21:19
Having clicked the link I pretty much agree with what Piquet said. I think the Lotus performance this year is a lot more car than driver. I genuinely don't think Grosjean was going to be that good instantly or Kimi up to speed that quickly.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 21:20
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The team has made some monumental mistakes. For example in the race where kimi went from 11th to second, close to winning, the team opted to save tires for q3. Then, in the race, Kimi was held by Grosjean for 4-5 laps IIRC. Still, despite the self-inflicted handicaps (qualify + teammate obstacle that could be removed by a simple pit radio order) Kimi got a shot at Vettel.
In Barcelona they were too conservative with the first stints and then it was too late to fight back for the win - although it was possible.
In hockenheim, the team went for soft+soft+medium instead of soft+med+med.
In the start of the season they let kimi out to do something like 40 laps with the same set of tires, losing all the points of a possible 2nd or 3rd place - if the pitstops were more equally distributed.
With the steering wheel at monaco... instead of having kimi at muggelo testing it, they tested it at monaco fp1 losing all track time because grosjean took over all testing duties. Then they gambled with an unorthodox setup that was aimed at increasing mechanical grip, chewing the tires in the race.
I could go on and on about another 4 or 5 races. All these are team faults, not driver faults. Normally, Kimi should have been near alonso's points if the team hadn't screwed up so badly.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 22:29
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 22:45
Yep, he also said pit Also in that car and we'd all agree championship would be over.Having clicked the link I pretty much agree with what Piquet said. I think the Lotus performance this year is a lot more car than driver. I genuinely don't think Grosjean was going to be that good instantly or Kimi up to speed that quickly.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 23:22
The guy has more F1 experience than anyone in this forum, including you, will ever have. Any F1 follower should think twice before dismissing him that easily, even if he/she disagrees with Piquet's opinion.The guy should stick to driving trucks in America preferably quietly so we can forget about him again. Calling someone 'weak' and 'lucky' is rich coming from him.
Do you, in order to post here?Piquet must be really good, he's now won two races driving builders pickup trucks - Does he have to sport a builders cleavage before the race?
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I would never rank Piquet Jr among the finest in F1, but any true F1 follower should be ashamed by these comments.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:12
Lucky - yes, they landed on a great car without contributing to its development.
Weak - not at all. Both have many more strong showings than weak ones. Yes many think they should have won by now but lack of wins != weak.
Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:20
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:27
Piquet isn't as bad as most people might think. He challenged Hamilton for the GP2 title in 2006 with give or take equal equipment; but he was unlucky that he joined Renault at the worse possible time, during their downfall years with Alonso as his teammate.
Had he kept his mouth shut and the team of Enstone kept him after 2009, who knows what he could have accomplished by now considering the occasional pace Renault in 2010 and what a beast of a car Lotus have made this year. His frustration is understandable.
Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:01
same mistake I made, dig racing...He makes the same mistake many people love to do.
Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:13
same mistake I made, dig racing...
So F-1 didn't work for him, and he made his mark winning elsewhere.
By any measure he's an F-1 driver, not a lot of people can claim that.
Therefore, for whatever it's worth, his opinion on that sport is of interest, and probably, no, make that definitely, more informed than about 99.95 % of the posters here.
Guarantee you, that if you have followed his further efforts in NASCAR, you know the guy has talent, loves to race, learned buckets of what team racing is, and with his licks so far in NASCAR will have a career in top level racing far in excess of a Grosjean. Piquet is on his way to Cup ride, and when he gets it, I think he'll be very competitive.
Kid's a decent wheeler.
F-1 made a mistake letting him go.
Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:16
He was fired by the team first.Had he kept his mouth shut and the team of Enstone kept him after 2009, who knows what he could have accomplished by now considering the occasional pace Renault in 2010 and what a beast of a car Lotus have made this year. His frustration is understandable.