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#1 anbeck

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:09

Please ban team radio communiation!

The problem I have is not even of a strategic or tactical nature, even though team radio certainly had an important influence on both of these elements of motor racing.

What I want to complain about is the fact that for a couple of years now we had the pleasure to listen to more and more team radio communications in all the major racing series. Yes, some of the time we gain crucial insights into important strategic decisions made. But most of the time we have to listen to drivers embarassing themselves.

All this whining and moaning about the rain or other drivers. I simply lose every respect for those whiners. It is like football players falling as if they were struck by a lightning after they got close to another player. You lose all respect. What super slowmotion is for soccer, pit radio is for racing.
Every driver who says "I'm faster than him" or "Stop the race" should have a drive-through penalty. Shut up and drive!
I cannot imagine Graham Hill or Jim Clark moaning and whining in a race. And even if they did, they had to keep it for themselves and their supporters could keep a dignified image of them.

They should ban driver-team communications. There should be a one-way emergency line from race control to all the drivers to announce safety cars or other dangerous conditions. That's it.

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#2 bub

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:19

Disagree. If they are moaners I want to know about it and adjust my respect level accordingly.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:30

Disagree. If they are moaners I want to know about it and adjust my respect level accordingly.

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#4 johnmhinds

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:32

You want to ban all radio communications because you've heard a handful of slightly embarrassing ones over the years?
Over reaction much?

Having the pit/car communications during the races has provided so much insight into how the drivers are thinking during the races.

#5 phil1993

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:35

We hear about 1 or 2 percent of communication. It's a brilliant little insight. If FOM weren't so frightened of offending viewers, no doubt we'd hear some cracking comments.

#6 anbeck

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:39

I'm not only talking about F1 guys. Watch a DTM race.

#7 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:39

I don't lose or gain respect for drivers if they say "stop the race" or "I want to race" or whatever. Suggesting a drive through penalty for moaning about a driver ahead of him being slower or saying they should stop the race is clearly unrealistic and quite rightly will never happen. Why should there be a ban on driver-team communications? There's the issue of safety/injuries for example (eg a driver should be able to communicate with the team saying he's ok, or he's suffered an injury after a crash), as well as general common sense (ie why shouldn't a driver be able to say to his team "oh by the way I'm coming in the pits", why shouldn't a driver be able to say "how's the weather looking, is it a good idea to pit for wets or should I stay out if it's going to be a short shower") etc. Then of course the issue of the team for example being able to say "the brakes are on the verge of failing, slow down and retire" or "you and your teammate are on different strategies, let him through". Put simply there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to ban them, nor to ban the broadcasting of them. Literally as simple as that.

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 26 August 2012 - 14:40.


#8 PayasYouRace

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:41

Embarrassing themselves...or embarrassing you on their behalf?

#9 ch103

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:44

I think eliminating the driver to pit communication would place a greater emphasis on drivers to be more aware of the situation than they presently need to be. Right now drivers can just focus in on driving because the Pitlane can always advise on strategy and conditions.

However, I do not think it should be eliminated because consider when a driver says they have a tire going down. If the pit crew could not hear their driver tell them a tire is going down, they would be completely at a loss as to what to do when their driver comes down pit road to change tires.

I think eliminating the communication presents major safety issues so I don't believe it is going anywhere.

#10 goldenboy

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:47

On the contrary I would love to hear more of it. I can't wait till we get to tune in to whatever driver we want and hear all their radio.

#11 chrisblades85

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:49

This thread is more embarrassing more than any driver could be.

#12 Fatgadget

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:51

Embarrassing themselves...or embarrassing you on their behalf?

:rotfl:
We should hear more not less of these transmissions.I find them fascinating.At those speeds,finding time to talk coherently.. :eek:

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:55

On the contrary I would love to hear more of it. I can't wait till we get to tune in to whatever driver we want and hear all their radio.


I agree but only if the audience can only hear the team's communications. I would not want to see "interviews" going on during the race. In car interviews with the television commentators during the actual race insults the integrity of the race to me.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:57

Please ban team radio communiation!

The problem I have is not even of a strategic or tactical nature, even though team radio certainly had an important influence on both of these elements of motor racing.

What I want to complain about is the fact that for a couple of years now we had the pleasure to listen to more and more team radio communications in all the major racing series. Yes, some of the time we gain crucial insights into important strategic decisions made. But most of the time we have to listen to drivers embarassing themselves.

All this whining and moaning about the rain or other drivers. I simply lose every respect for those whiners. It is like football players falling as if they were struck by a lightning after they got close to another player. You lose all respect. What super slowmotion is for soccer, pit radio is for racing.
Every driver who says "I'm faster than him" or "Stop the race" should have a drive-through penalty. Shut up and drive!
I cannot imagine Graham Hill or Jim Clark moaning and whining in a race. And even if they did, they had to keep it for themselves and their supporters could keep a dignified image of them.

They should ban driver-team communications. There should be a one-way emergency line from race control to all the drivers to announce safety cars or other dangerous conditions. That's it.


I have a good solution for you here. Most of us appreciate the radio communications but if you don't like them just hit the mute button. Most drivers will whine if it suits their agenda at any given moment, and if you don't like it and don't understand where these "moaners" are coming from I suggest you watch another sport. Why not curling or synchronized swimming. Not many whiners there. :cat:

Edited by Suntrek, 26 August 2012 - 15:03.


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Posted 26 August 2012 - 15:01

Anbeck, how on earth do you watch the NASCAR races with us?
Must drive you nutty! :p

#16 sesku

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 15:04

Please ban team radio communiation!

The problem I have is not even of a strategic or tactical nature, even though team radio certainly had an important influence on both of these elements of motor racing.

etc.

Please keep it to yourself, there is always MUTE button on your remote control... :stoned:

#17 SpaMaster

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 15:07

Disagree. If they are moaners I want to know about it and adjust my respect level accordingly.

Ahem. :lol:

#18 Rob

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 15:15

I'd like to ban the radios because at the moment the race gets stage managed by the pits. I want the drivers to make their own decisions about things.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 15:30

I'd like to ban the radios because at the moment the race gets stage managed by the pits. I want the drivers to make their own decisions about things.

False. Just like this thread.

Driver has definitely input about changes but not all of them. You know WHAT you should ban? The calculating centres behind the teams, decrease the amount of supercomputers and get back to visuals instead of number crunching everything. That increases the chance for drivers to shine through.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 16:09

I like being able to spot the moaners in motor racing and the divers in football.

#21 aray

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 16:10

if anybody needs to shut up,it is then those who whine about every itty-bitty that goes on with F1 and always assume they understand racing better than drivers and teams......


#22 gm914

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 16:13

if anybody needs to shut up,it is then those who whine about every itty-bitty that goes on with F1 and always assume they understand racing better than drivers and teams......

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#23 BigCHrome

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 16:25

That is beyond ridiculous.

#24 keiichi

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 16:43

No disrepect but I think the only moaner here is you...

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 16:59

Sorry anbeck, but I'm not with you at all on this one, especially for those reasons. I don't want anything clouded my judgement of a race or of a driver or of a team. Banning radios on the grounds drivers are too big of douchebags for it to be enjoyable to listen to, and then thinking that because we can't hear that doucheyness then all drivers and teams are top blokes until proven otherwise is pretty weird logic. If the government banned what they imagine to be 'bad words', you could hardly go around thinking 'Well gee, the world's great because everyone's so nice now!'. It doesn't mean anything if everyone was forced to be nice. The same with racing. Not knowing how cool or dumb or whatever a driver is doesn't mean you can just invent their personality in your head.

Besides, for every time I roll my eyes at drivers conveniently leading championships moaning about how a race needs to be stopped, some nutter like Carl Edwards or Kyle Busch will say something amazing on their radio. For every bullshit, watered-down comment there's always gonna be hilarious gems like Danica's F-bomb last weekend, Montoya and the deer, etc.

The only communication lines the drivers have that should be banned is Nascar and other series having 'in-race reporters', which is usually awkward as hell to listen to, and always pointless.



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Posted 26 August 2012 - 18:52

Wow, I didn't think this could cause such a sh*tstorm! :rotfl:

Maybe I should have used more smileys. And I should have explicitly referred to today's DTM race, which was a great moaner-fest, with first Tomczyk crashing out of the race, only to ask for the race to be stopped, and then the then-leader Rockenfeller trying to persuade his team that it would be better to keep a 1-2 with him in first place. And once he was passed by Mortara, who was fair and square faster for a good couple of laps, he didn't stop b*tching until the end of the race. No need for anybody to feel personally insulted!  ;)

About NASCAR: To be honest, I don't watch NASCAR for the same reasons I watch, say, Le Mans :p

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 19:16

The OP has one of the weirdest logics I've ever come across. So you want no radios because then you could just live in your nice fantasy world where they are all perfect gentlemen? There are hundreds of legitimate reasons for not wanting radios, and I've always been fond of the idea that we should let the drivers race without them once in a while (safety may be an issue though). And I'd put my bet on one of the biggest cry-babies.

#28 Longtimefan

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 19:25

We hear about 1 or 2 percent of communication. It's a brilliant little insight. If FOM weren't so frightened of offending viewers, no doubt we'd hear some cracking comments.



This ^^

#29 goldenboy

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 19:29

I hired fanvision for monza, and it says team radio is a feature. Anyone know exactly what they mean by this? Pick a driver and hear all their radio?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 00:35

Even though they would still happen, banning radio comms. would make TOs more difficult to administer, which I think would be good. As said by others, it would also place more decision responsibility back on the drivers, which I like. The team would not have as much control over the drivers, which, it seems to me, would put the driver back where they deserve to be IMO vs. the team.

On the other hand, we would loose the opportunity to learn about different drivers' characters, how they react under certain circumstances and also teams' behaviors. One part of me thinks not having this might be nicer as many fans would focus more on the driver than on the character. Do we really need to know, for example, that Vettel is hyperactive after a victory, Lewis is frequently annoyed by his team, Alonso is a whiner and Kimi is, well, Kimi? Not necessarily. But it might make things more colorful, in line with F1's current direction.

#31 Atreiu

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 00:36

Fck no.

#32 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 01:13

I hired fanvision for monza, and it says team radio is a feature. Anyone know exactly what they mean by this? Pick a driver and hear all their radio?


Not that much radio no, it's essentialy the "pit lane" feed that Sky gets I think. I didn't end up using the team radio feature to be honest.

#33 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 01:45

I'd like to ban the radios because at the moment the race gets stage managed by the pits. I want the drivers to make their own decisions about things.

Very true, results are manipulated, and drivers are often told such basic things such as you are on cold tyres!! as they leave the pits.
There was discussion on this on the V8 Thupercars yesterday. If they cannot work that out maybe they should put someone in the car with common sense. Though cold tyres catch out too many heros in all 'proffesional motorsport'.Or when they crash, spin, break down they are told to turn the engine off, and turn the isolater off. Common sense really especially if crashed.
The only advantage is the drivers input, eg lower roll centres, more wing etc.
Maybe one way,, driver to pit.
Or races without never ending pitstops that are good for TV,, sometimes.

#34 pingu666

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:21

to be fair if theyve just wrecked they are probably dazed or whatever.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:26

What a lot of rot - which probably means this thread will expand to umpteen pages over the space of a year or two.
What could be considered for banning is transmission beyond the driver and his pit.
That way when team orders go out we won't have pages of bleating here. :wave:

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:27

My main problem with it on TV is that it is too delayed. In the last race, we heard the Kimi vs Grosjean radio about 1-2 laps after they fought for position when Kimi was coming out of the pits.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 06:04

Please ban team radio communiation!

The problem I have is not even of a strategic or tactical nature, even though team radio certainly had an important influence on both of these elements of motor racing.

What I want to complain about is the fact that for a couple of years now we had the pleasure to listen to more and more team radio communications in all the major racing series. Yes, some of the time we gain crucial insights into important strategic decisions made. But most of the time we have to listen to drivers embarassing themselves.

All this whining and moaning about the rain or other drivers. I simply lose every respect for those whiners. It is like football players falling as if they were struck by a lightning after they got close to another player. You lose all respect. What super slowmotion is for soccer, pit radio is for racing.
Every driver who says "I'm faster than him" or "Stop the race" should have a drive-through penalty. Shut up and drive!
I cannot imagine Graham Hill or Jim Clark moaning and whining in a race. And even if they did, they had to keep it for themselves and their supporters could keep a dignified image of them.

They should ban driver-team communications. There should be a one-way emergency line from race control to all the drivers to announce safety cars or other dangerous conditions. That's it.

I think the plea is misdirected. Perhaps it should change to - stop publishing (broadcasting) private conversation we have no business to listen to. We came to see race, and not listen chit-chat within a team members. Finally, I am not sure where this is coming from, that we have to convert everyone to our image, and make him more like us (just to like him). Couple of solutions is also immediately available; there is somewhere MUTE button on your clicker, BTW, if you object to sounds emanating from your TV. Second one, place your mind on ignore button for certain sounds. It works.

Don't start what Clark of Hill would say, because you simply don't know. They could be bigger "whiners" according to your standard than any of current drivers, for all what we know.

Edited by Sakae, 27 August 2012 - 06:09.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 07:24

Why deny us the bi-lingual comic stylings of Fernando Alonso?

Or the always insightful responses of agony uncle Guillaume 'Rocky' Rocquelin?

How will we ever know when a car should be retired if not for F1 clairvoyant Lewis Hamilton?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 07:51

My main problem with it on TV is that it is too delayed. In the last race, we heard the Kimi vs Grosjean radio about 1-2 laps after they fought for position when Kimi was coming out of the pits.

Yeah it's too delayed, and it's often not clear so the context is all wrong.

Otherwise it's fine, interesting, apart from the cringeworthy bit between the winner and his team at the end.

They ought to issue a transcript and tape of all of them.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:09

Do you guys really think that banning the radios would eliminate communication between the pits and the driver? They were doing that with pit boards and hand signals before in car radios were introduced. OK the communication would be a bit more limited, because it would only be once per lap, but it wouldn't stop things like telling the driver what the gaps are, telling him if he should push or ease up or pit, and it certainly wouldn't stop team orders.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:12

Its certainly the case that there are a lot of F1 fans who cannot handle the concept of pit radio and form many opinions based on it. Are we mature enough for such a feature?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:29

Having the pit/car communications during the races has provided so much insight into how the drivers computers are thinking during the races.

Corrected. :p

I've been saying it for years, pit-to-driver radio needs to be banned except for safety critical messages (brakes failing, safety car, debris, etc). Fed-up of hearing drivers told what to do based on what some computer says a hundred miles away. I want the driver to decide what to do.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 09:16

I'm fine with radio, but I'd like to see a ban one most of the adjusters driver has on the steering wheel, so drivers would have to stick with one brake balance ratio, one engine map etc. for the race. I think that would help to differentiate cars performance over various places on the track and could help the overtaking, so maybe DRS/KERS wouldn't be needed. Especially the bloody KERS.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:51

lolwat, OP.

You would have robbed us of Mark's scream of delight when he won his first grand prix, then? Was that embarrassing for you too? What about his clever "not bad for a number 2 driver"? Would you have robbed him of that opportunity to make a point, and just have him sit there listening to Horner being a condescending prick and telling him to smile?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 16:00

Just as I do not like to be sticking my nose into people's bedroom, at the same level I do not like us to be listening on what should be private conversation.
While we are at it, what’s wrong with a driver to control his own strategy, and leave radio open only for safety announcements from FiA officials? There is perfectly simple black pit board for conveying basic message, and that should be perhaps enough.

Edited by Sakae, 27 August 2012 - 16:02.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 16:04

lolwat, OP.

You would have robbed us of Mark's scream of delight when he won his first grand prix, then? Was that embarrassing for you too? What about his clever "not bad for a number 2 driver"? Would you have robbed him of that opportunity to make a point, and just have him sit there listening to Horner being a condescending prick and telling him to smile?

That's where he lost my respect (after I read it somewhere later on).

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 17:42

Well I guess if FOM get the impression that too much radio is spoiling the image they will edit / cut what is broadcast a bit more wisely and heavily. AFAIK what we hear is delayed and chosen for us to hear on the broadcast. The stuff we hear is not new and I'm sure went on in just as 'whinging' fashion before we became privvy to it.

Personally I do think we get to hear too much, unnecessary conversation, and a lot of it is because the drivers know there is a good chance it will be publicly heard. So IMO harsher broadcast editing would be the answer.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:33

That's where he lost my respect (after I read it somewhere later on).


You lost respect for Mark because he stuck up for himself? You lost respect for Mark because he got treated like sh*t that weekend and didn't lie down and take it?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 05:45

I'm fine with radio, but I'd like to see a ban one most of the adjusters driver has on the steering wheel, so drivers would have to stick with one brake balance ratio, one engine map etc. for the race. I think that would help to differentiate cars performance over various places on the track and could help the overtaking, so maybe DRS/KERS wouldn't be needed. Especially the bloody KERS.


Now that's not a bad idea; after all, one of the justifications of banning the F duct was some of the solutions teams came up with in their efforts to implement were making things a tad busy in the cockpit.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 06:20

You lost respect for Mark because he stuck up for himself? You lost respect for Mark because he got treated like sh*t that weekend and didn't lie down and take it?


Not at all. I lost respect for him because I am convinced he played politics for media, and was not telling the truth*. He has more than one face.


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*Based on contradicting subsequent comments by management on several occassions, including special audience with the owner.