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#1 MadYarpen

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 09:52

Race Date: 02 Sep 2012
Circuit Name: Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
Number of Laps: 44
Circuit Length: 7.004 km
Race Distance: 308.052 km
Lap Record: 1:45.108 - K Raikkonen (2004)

Only one week of summer break left!

Any predictions? Will Lotus introduce their device? Will ferrari Alonso keep his momentum?

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#2 sofarapartguy

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:07

Kimi has to do something special - I will not agree for anything less.

#3 puxanando

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:09

Can't wait!!!!

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Pirelli say the decision to bring their hardest tyre compounds for this weekend’s Belgian Grand Prix will reduce the need for drivers to conserve their tyres during the race.


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Edited by puxanando, 27 August 2012 - 10:11.


#4 korzeniow

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:14

It will be between Kimi and Alonso. Maby Vettel will join the battle if Newey found something during the break

#5 puxanando

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:17

Maby Vettel will join the battle if Newey found something during the break


Another hole? :eek:


#6 kosmos

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:22

It will be between Kimi and Alonso. Maby Vettel will join the battle if Newey found something during the break



So Mclaren has zero chances to win?.

#7 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:22

With it being Spa, alot could depend on the weather in quali/the race, but temperature as well, as we know some cars prefer hot weather, others prefer cooler weather. My gut feeling, without knowing the temperatures forecast, the weather forecast, if Lotus will introduce their new device for a race, is that either Hamilton, Alonso, or Raikkonen will win. That's just a gut feeling though.

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 27 August 2012 - 10:23.


#8 MadYarpen

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:22

Another hole? :eek:

6 tenths.


















I'll get my coat.

#9 Ferrari2183

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:23

It will be between Kimi and Alonso. Maby Vettel will join the battle if Newey found something during the break

This is the feeling I get as well if the temps are reasonable. If it is cold I think the Ferrari's and McLaren's will battle it out.

Watch out for Massa here.

#10 Jovanotti

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:28

Most of the few weathersites I checked predict a bit of rain on Friday, maybe too on Saturday and a cloudy but dry Sunday, temperatures around 15 - 20°C.

Absolutely can't wait for this race!!

#11 GAZF1nut

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:29

I think Lotus' performance is partly based on the weather. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I have seen this year, Lotus have only been quick in hot conditions. Early stages I know, but judging from the forecasts I have seen it is going to be pretty conditions. Who would these conditions favour the most?
I personally think the usual suspects will be contesting for victory this weekend.

Edited by GAZF1nut, 27 August 2012 - 10:32.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:31

This is the feeling I get as well if the temps are reasonable. If it is cold I think the Ferrari's and McLaren's will battle it out.

Watch out for Massa here.


Lotus will not have difficulties for the temp anymore, only with rain and they've a solution for it too...

and the track gives enough temp for the tyres so no problem at all for Lotus!

For me it's between Rai and Ham, RBR will suffer from their top speed in comparison too Lotus and Mclaren.

Alonso max 5th place, he never goes very well there,

1: Rai
2: Hamilton
3: Grosjean
4: Vettel
5: Webber
6: Alonso
7: Maldonado
8: Perez
9: Senna
10: Button

#13 Ferrari2183

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:35

Lotus will not have difficulties for the temp anymore, only with rain and they've a solution for it too...

and the track gives enough temp for the tyres so no problem at all for Lotus!

For me it's between Rai and Ham, RBR will suffer from their top speed in comparison too Lotus and Mclaren.

Alonso max 5th place, he never goes very well there,

1: Rai
2: Hamilton
3: Grosjean
4: Vettel
5: Webber
6: Alonso
7: Maldonado
8: Perez
9: Senna
10: Button

You say this with absolute certainty...

You're right about the track though. Forgot to factor in that Spa is a long lap with fast corners so tyre temps shouldn't be a problem come qualifying.

#14 spinster

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:38

You say this with absolute certainty...

You're right about the track though. Forgot to factor in that Spa is a long lap with fast corners so tyre temps shouldn't be a problem come qualifying.


If there are no crashes it won't be far from this...so yes i'm quite certain :)

Maldo and senna always goes very well in spa too and, button very bad in spa! and massa don't wanna mention his name anyway.

#15 Ferrari2183

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:46

If there are no crashes it won't be far from this...so yes i'm quite certain :)

Maldo and senna always goes very well in spa too and, button very bad in spa! and massa don't wanna mention his name anyway.

Ok. I think you're underestimating Alonso around Spa... Last year he came from nowhere to take the lead and ultimately fell back because the F150 went tits up on the harder compound. Ferrari have no such problems this year though.

Alonso can very much win it this year.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:53

Alonso max 5th place, he never goes very well there,


Once he has to do it in Spa also! Why not this year? :D


#17 BullHead

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:59

ALO / RAI / HAM in that or another order.

#18 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:00

I predict a good qualifying for Mercs.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:16

If there are no crashes it won't be far from this...so yes i'm quite certain :)

Maldo and senna always goes very well in spa too and, button very bad in spa! and massa don't wanna mention his name anyway.


So bad he came 3rd last year from 13th on the grid.

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#20 korzeniow

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:18

So Mclaren has zero chances to win?.


Not zero but definately their chances are smaller than Lotus' and Ferrari's. McLaren were nowhere at Silverstone and medicore in Barcelona. maby they will brong some updates, but based on current knowlege things don't look too good for them.

#21 joshb

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:42

i'll settle for Vettel to finish ahead of Webber and Alonso for solid points. Spa isn't his best track and I doubt RB will be any better than they were in Hungary.
I can see Mclaren and Lotus battling it out and Alonso near the front too.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:46

Generally the synoptics at this stage are quite strongly in favour of a dry weekend.

#23 aray

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:49

i predict a macca 1-2...
with alonso 3rd....

#24 spinster

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:53

i predict a macca 1-2...
with alonso 3rd....


100% sure it won't happen! you can take me on my word

#25 Konsta

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:55

This is the feeling I get as well if the temps are reasonable. If it is cold I think the Ferrari's and McLaren's will battle it out.

Watch out for Massa here.


Who do you reckon Felipe will hit first? I admit that his driving has been more than erratic this season but he´s still no Maldonado :)

It'll be interesting to see if Lotus can gain as much as predicted from "The Device". If it is wet then I guess the field is open to anything but in the dry I´d put my money on Kimi and Lewis.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:05

Who do you reckon Felipe will hit first? I admit that his driving has been more than erratic this season but he´s still no Maldonado :)

It'll be interesting to see if Lotus can gain as much as predicted from "The Device". If it is wet then I guess the field is open to anything but in the dry I´d put my money on Kimi and Lewis.

Judging by his name I believe he meant Massa might actually do something here - as he has been quite good the past years at the track, especially when compared to Kimi.


And for my prediction, it's either Lewis or Kimi. With Kobayashi 3rd!

#27 Zava

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:09

Ok. I think you're underestimating Alonso around Spa... Last year he came from nowhere to take the lead and ultimately fell back because the F150 went tits up on the harder compound. Ferrari have no such problems this year though.

Alonso can very much win it this year.

don't tell half-truths, he was only leading when Vettel was 1 stop ahead. right after the SC came out Vettel showed him where he belongs. :smoking:

#28 BernieEc

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:31

With them introducing DDRS in SPA I expect Lotus to qualify higher and with the longer track they shouldn't have any problems of heating up tyres. I expect Lotus to do very well. Not sure about McLaren or Red bull to be honest. I expect Alonso to do well also. think it might be a straight shoot out between Lotus and Alonso...with the Lotus of Kimi have the slight edge. Mac and Redbull in top 5 though...

I may be wrong......

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:35

don't tell half-truths, he was only leading when Vettel was 1 stop ahead. right after the SC came out Vettel showed him where he belongs. :smoking:

Vettel got a huge benefit from the safety car because it allowed him stop for fresh rubber while Alonso had just a few laps earlier stopped for tyres. The safety car royally screwed Alonso's strategy and the fact that the Ferrari was very weak on the primes meant Alonso had to extend that stint on softs.

Prior to the safety car Alonso was reeling Vettel in at a rate of knots... Upwards of a second a lap.

Anyway, he would not have won the GP in any event because the F150 was terrible on the primes but he was the quickest, by a healthy margin, on the options.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:37

Vettel got a huge benefit from the safety car because it allowed him stop for fresh rubber while Alonso had just a few laps earlier stopped for tyres. The safety car royally screwed Alonso's strategy and the fact that the Ferrari was very weak on the primes meant Alonso had to extend that stint on softs.

Prior to the safety car Alonso was reeling Vettel in at a rate of knots... Upwards of a second a lap.


Anyway, he would not have won the GP in any event because the F150 was terrible on the primes but he was the quickest, by a healthy margin, on the options.


True..... by the way also saw this in the Lotus thread

Craig Scarborough ‏@ScarbsF1
Pat Symonds in @F1racing_mag suggests the rules banning Mercs DDRS (i.e. DRS operated) may not apply to the passive Lotus system

seems the Lotus DDRS might be here to stay afterall......there might be a mad scramble to incorporate this upgrade if its remotely true

Edited by BernieEc, 27 August 2012 - 12:50.


#31 Ferrari2183

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:57

True..... by the way also saw this in the Lotus thread

Craig Scarborough ‏@ScarbsF1
Pat Symonds in @F1racing_mag suggests the rules banning Mercs DDRS (i.e. DRS operated) may not apply to the passive Lotus system

seems the Lotus DDRS might be here to stay afterall......there might be a mad scramble to incorporate this upgrade if its remotely true

I'm confused about this DDRS of Lotus. It seems to me it is more like the F-duct which utilises the spacing between the end plate and the rear wing profile instead of the cross sections previously.

#32 hotstickyslick

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 13:39

The track is different from 2004, the lap record is wrong.

#33 MadYarpen

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 13:51

The track is different from 2004, the lap record is wrong.

taken from official F1 website, post right one and i'll edit OP:)

#34 BernieEc

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 15:07

I'm confused about this DDRS of Lotus. It seems to me it is more like the F-duct which utilises the spacing between the end plate and the rear wing profile instead of the cross sections previously.


Then if its more like the F-Duct...shouldn't the ban on F-duct have put an end to it.........

not sure what the letter of the law states about the ban on F-duct but it seems to imply anything that is driver operated. Whilst I think the DDRS for next year is related to opening of the rear wing. if the Lotus gizmo is not driver assisted and opening the rear wing.......maybe it might just be acceptable to be used next year.....

Besides FIA has not banned DDRS i think only the teams agree to that.....and as some have said there is nothing like the spirit of the rules.......maybe...just maybe...there is some truth to it be available to Lotus next year...but first lets see how effective it is in qualifying and race in Spa.....

Edited by BernieEc, 27 August 2012 - 15:12.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 15:14

Then if its more like the F-Duct...shouldn't the ban on F-duct have put an end to it.........


The f-duct was banned because it was deemed a movable aero device and one which the driver often had to take his hands off the steering wheel to activate. I don't think Lotus' works like this at all.

Anyway, I can't wait for Spa! I'm fortunate enough to have won James Allen's competition to get VIP Eau Rouge tickets (courtesy of Shell) so I can't wait to see the cars fly through come Qualy! 4th GP I've attended this year, hopefully I'll be able to dodge the rain this time lol.

#36 korzeniow

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 15:26

Then if its more like the F-Duct...shouldn't the ban on F-duct have put an end to it.........


The idea of stalling rear wing wasn't banned. After 2010 they simply forbidden connectink shark fins (that were very popular at that time) to the rear wing at particular area:

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 15:51

remember how strong Renault was here in 2010 and even last year when development fell behind. Lotus should rock this track (and Monza)!

#38 korzeniow

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 16:02

Pirelli explaining the challenges that tyres go trough:

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 16:14

how sad is it that Pirelli believes that the decision to bring its hardest tyres to the Belgian Grand Prix should allow drivers to push to the maximum in the race?

drivers should be able to push to the maximum in EVERY RACE !

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#40 Alx09

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 16:16

Can't wait for this one.

Especially now after Pirelli saying they will bring decent tyres as well.

Edited by Alx09, 27 August 2012 - 16:16.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 16:26

unpredictable, like any other race this season.

anything can happen, small changes in the weather/surface/temp/tyres have great effect on the cars and in what order they will start/finish.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 18:44

Who do we think the hard tyres will favour?

Impression I've had from recent races is that the McLaren likes harder compounds and Red Bull prefer softer compounds... fair?

#43 korzeniow

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 19:03

Who do we think the hard tyres will favour?

Impression I've had from recent races is that the McLaren likes harder compounds and Red Bull prefer softer compounds... fair?


How did you come to that conclusion? Only races where hard compund was used were Spain and UK: http://www.formula1....12/5/13365.html where McLaren underperformed



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Posted 27 August 2012 - 20:36

This is the same Spain where Hamilton would have qualified over half a second clear of the field but for mclaren screwing up the fuel load?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 23:09

By the sounds of it Friday and Saturday will be cold and wet and Sunday will be warm and dry. So what we see during free practice and even down to quali might not reflect on set up as they might not get any dry weather running or chance to evaluate the new parts properly.

On the plus side, I'll be there. :clap:


#46 korzeniow

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:26

McLaren to run DDRS at Spa?

http://www.onestopst...a - report.html

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:32

McLaren to run DDRS at Spa?

http://www.onestopst...a - report.html


Sounds like speculation based on Sam Michaels earlier interview.....will believe it when i see it...thoguh I do hope its true and brings some increased performance!!

#48 joshb

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:38

what tyres did Pirelli bring last year?
Did they go more conservative this year in the wake of the RB blistering from last year or did they stay the same?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:47

what tyres did Pirelli bring last year?
Did they go more conservative this year in the wake of the RB blistering from last year or did they stay the same?


Correction was medium and soft*

Edited by RedOne, 28 August 2012 - 11:49.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:48

By the sounds of it Friday and Saturday will be cold and wet and Sunday will be warm and dry. So what we see during free practice and even down to quali might not reflect on set up as they might not get any dry weather running or chance to evaluate the new parts properly.

On the plus side, I'll be there. :clap:

:up: Hope it's warm and dry for you.