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#101 Woody3says

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 16:21

I'm pleased to see minimum distances before and after the boxes.

This is what makes the pitlane seem short, the in and out lanes are compact. What SIFO is trying to point out to you is the fact that the actual length of the pitlane is long. Just look at how much of the front stretch it takes up! The delta will be high.

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#102 Slowinfastout

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 16:21

Anyone know the number of Laps yet?


That says 59 laps but I'm nut sure it adds up: http://en.espnf1.com...cuit/30169.html

305km/5.47km= 55.76

right, F1.com says 56laps which should be it..

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#103 rage2

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 16:22

FIA confirmed 56 laps.

http://www.statesman...prix_to_be.html

The FIA, the world governing body of motorsports, this morning set official race times and distances for all 2012 Formula One races, including the U.S. Grand Prix near Austin.

The U.S. race, scheduled for a circuit under construction in southeastern Travis County, will be 56 laps for a distance of 191.9 miles (308.9 kilometers), the FIA said.

The length of a Formula One race is the number of completed laps that equal 305 kilometers (189.5 miles) or two hours. The Circuit of the Americas is 3.4 miles (5.5 kilometers) long.

Race times are the same that were reported in January: The race Sunday, Nov. 18, will start at 1 p.m. Central.

Practices on Friday, Nov. 16, will be from 10 to 11:30 a.m. and from 2 to 3:30 p.m. Saturday’s practice will be from 10 to 11 a.m., and qualifying will be at 1 p.m.

Tickets for the inaugural race will go on sale later this year. The waiting list to reserve personal seat licenses closed Monday.

Work on the circuit has been hampered by rains this year, but officials expect to have the facility ready in time for the first race.


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#104 Woody3says

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 16:23

That says 59 laps but I'm nut sure it adds up: http://en.espnf1.com...cuit/30169.html

305km/5.47km= 55.76

You are correct sir, 56 laps

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 16:23

This is going to be a spectacular race.


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Posted 11 September 2012 - 19:00

It's starting to become more evident how much of the entire track one will be able to see from any given area. I have to say, it exceeds my expections!

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 20:33

Starting come together well. Once the greenery grows in its going to look amazing - I'm not a fan of these newer tracks that are devoid of a sense of place (mainly due to them flattening everything down to build it in the first place.)

They've certainly set the bar high for Port Imperial. Has anyone seen any updates on that circuit? 2013 ain't that far away.;)

#108 Alx09

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 23:17

Tarmac runoffs :( Why can't we just go back to gravel and grass, where going off track means a bumpy ride?

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:28

Tarmac runoffs :( Why can't we just go back to gravel and grass, where going off track means a bumpy ride?


Tarmac is safer. Less chance of digging in and flipping over. Tarmac also slows cars down more quickly. Gravel tends to be uneven, so cars tend to skitter across the top without slowing down much particularly if the cars leave the track at a high rate of speed.


#110 AustinF1

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:12

Tarmac is safer. Less chance of digging in and flipping over. Tarmac also slows cars down more quickly. Gravel tends to be uneven, so cars tend to skitter across the top without slowing down much particularly if the cars leave the track at a high rate of speed.

Yep...and the FIA mandates these safety features in new tracks.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:45

AustinF1, thanks for posting the track pictures.

Looking at some of the aerial photos posted above of the entire track, is the general admission section at Turn 11 the light green area? It appears as if it slopes away from the track; if it is indeed GA am I wrong in thinking that visibility will less than ideal there?

#112 BRG

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:52

They've certainly set the bar high for Port Imperial. Has anyone seen any updates on that circuit? 2013 ain't that far away.;)

The silence is deafening. And the comparison with all the publicity for COTA is amazing.



#113 Red17

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 15:49

Strangely, though, Dorna seemed to think there was one back in Apr2011.

And now they say there was not.
Dorna says Kevin Schwantz couldn't prove contract for COTA MotoGP race

Back on topic.
For an event this size are the organizers not trying to get some oldies to show up? They have Mario as an ambassador, why not stick him back into the Lotus 79?

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 15:52

And now they say there was not.
Dorna says Kevin Schwantz couldn't prove contract for COTA MotoGP race

Back on topic.
For an event this size are the organizers not trying to get some oldies to show up? They have Mario as an ambassador, why not stick him back into the Lotus 79?

I guess Kevin's dog ate his contract.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 16:18

And now they say there was not.
Dorna says Kevin Schwantz couldn't prove contract for COTA MotoGP race


Posting OT, but this seems to be the place for it.

It's slightly more nuanced than that.

Dorna had a contract with Schwantz, to promote a race at COTA. So a contract did exist to put on a race at that track. However, it was only between Schwantz and Dorna, not COTA. Hence, the press conference last year, when everyone was certain COTA and Schwantz would work out a deal to hold the race at the track.
Dorna asked Schwantz to provide them, by a date certain, a copy of his contract with COTA to have the race at COTA's track.
Schwantz was not able to provide Dorna with a contract between himself and COTA, so Dorna terminated its contract with him at the end of June, 2012.
Dorna then initiated contact with COTA, to see if they wanted to promote the race on their track. Those discussions are ongoing.

All of these fiascos and negative press events flow from the same source: Racing regulatory entities entering into contracts with one group to put on a race at some other group's racetrack. Bad form all around really. The general rule is don't announce things until everyone involved is signed off. Second best is announce the deal is being worked on, but subject to change if everyone does not get what they want. Worst is to announce the deal as if it was done, while there is still significant negotiations to finish.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 20:06

Short pit lane... :eek:


Also really tight just after exiting the pit lane. Gonna see some spectacular pit stop overtaking, me thinks :up: And the start might be crazy hehe. Do we know which side is pole position?

Edited by Zoetrope, 12 September 2012 - 20:07.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 20:22

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Are people living here? Not bad being able to watch an F1 race from the livingroom. The values of those houses must've gone up quite a bit. Perhaps I'm misjudging the elevation though.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:12

For an event this size are the organizers not trying to get some oldies to show up? They have Mario as an ambassador, why not stick him back into the Lotus 79?

I believe the Historics will be there.

Are people living here? Not bad being able to watch an F1 race from the livingroom. The values of those houses must've gone up quite a bit. Perhaps I'm misjudging the elevation though.


Yes, people live there now, and the elevation is well above Turns 6-9. Many of the photos I'm about to post are from that property.

AustinF1, thanks for posting the track pictures.

Looking at some of the aerial photos posted above of the entire track, is the general admission section at Turn 11 the light green area? It appears as if it slopes away from the track; if it is indeed GA am I wrong in thinking that visibility will less than ideal there?

NP, I'm about to post 85 more. Yes, that's part of the GA for that area. It slopes downhill away from the track as you noticed.

Here's a photo of Turn 11 from that group that shows a view from off the property and from about 10-15 feet higher than the bottom of that GA area:

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Edited by AustinF1, 13 September 2012 - 06:20.


#119 AustinF1

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:20

I took a LOT of pictures last week out at the track...so many that it took forever to go through them. Got rid of most and there are still 85 left. Hope you see something you like...

https://www.facebook...1...e=3

Here are a few:

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#120 baddog

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:10

I dont understand that GA area. surely you will not be able to see a single inch of track from it?

#121 AustinF1

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 15:19

Schwantz fires back at COTA, Dorna:

http://www.statesman..._formula_austin


#122 AustinF1

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 15:51

Nice track video here from KUT...riding around the circuit with Tilke engineers:


Edited by AustinF1, 14 September 2012 - 15:52.


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:07

Nice track video here from KUT...riding around the circuit with Tilke engineers:


I must say that looks incredible!

I have a sneaky feeling McLaren might just spank everyone here....

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:39

I must say that looks incredible!

I have a sneaky feeling McLaren might just spank everyone here....

I hope not! :) Turns 2-11 look just incredible!

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:10

Anyone knows how useful Fanvision is during a race?

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:46

Anyone knows how useful Fanvision is during a race?


Absolutely worth it - I've gotten one for two F1 weekends now and I would again. By the end of the race I had a few people around me in the stands I was updating on pit stops. :up:

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 05:42

I rented a fanvision device for the USGP weekend (email from COTA allows you to use it free on Friday only - but @ $25/day it was better to just buy it for the days you will actually want it). Glad to hear it is worth it. I figured it was because it is used for football and NASCAR with people seemingly satisfied with the results. :up:

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:21

The amount of tarmac run off makes me feel sick. It's just another parking lot.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:35

There has to be a way of punishing the drivers though surely if they go off. I know this probably isn't feasible, but to actually give some sort of punishment, make the runoffs more.......well, more dusty, slippy, or something, so it's not just a case of "oh, he went off track, he lost very little time, his tyres are still fine, he still went full bananas through the runoff area and can still go full bananas now he's back on track".

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:16

Maybe they could add a few meters wide strip of sand or grass next to the track, and then the asphalt area to slow the spinning cars down? Thereby, we would get the best of the both, drivers punished for off-roading and the asphalt for slowing the cars down.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:33

Well this is off topic really, but just to say that you can't have multiple surface changes, it causes launches and flips, it has to be one change between the edge of the track and the barrier. Another thread maybe.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 13:32

Maybe they could add a few meters wide strip of sand or grass next to the track, and then the asphalt area to slow the spinning cars down? Thereby, we would get the best of the both, drivers punished for off-roading and the asphalt for slowing the cars down.


I've always liked this idea myself, clearly sand/gravel won't work as it might flip the car, but grass should work.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 13:50

grass broke justin wilsons back, so no it wont :/


#134 AustinF1

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:10

60 days to go until FP1. Took some photos yesterday after the rain:


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The south end of the circuit, from the west on McAngus Road...

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Paving equipment waiting for dry weather so they can resume the final layer...

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Parking Lot N...

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Entrance to Lots L & M. We wanted to get some shots from Mr. Haywood's land as usual, but there was no way...

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Lot M...

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Lot P...

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Turn 11...

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 18:12

I don't know how old this link is, but the place is starting to look done. They should be ready with time to spare.

http://circuitofthea...-strong-finish1

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Edited by Tardis40, 18 September 2012 - 18:14.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 18:22

What is the likelihood of wet weather when the race is held?

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 18:31

What is the likelihood of wet weather when the race is held?

November is not the wettest month here, but there certainly is the possibility.

http://www.weather.c.../graph/USTX0057

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:54

For those of you still hunting for tickets:

Main GS Non-PSL tickets are now available, along with T1, & T15...RV prices slashed per this COTA email from yesterday:

From: x
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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:38 PM
To: y
Subject: Circuit of the Americas - FORMULA 1

Hello y,

I just wanted to let you know that we have just released single event, more cost effective opportunities for fans and business owners to come to the race! If you know anyone that has been looking for single event options, please feel free to forward my information to them.

Here is a breakdown of the newly released FORMULA 1 event tickets:
- Paddock Club Passes - $4500-$5000
- Turn 1 - $533, $800 (3 day passes)
- Turn 15 - $533, $800 (3 day passes)
- Main Grandstand tickets - $800, $1067, $1367 (3 day passes)
- RV spots - $7500 per spot (Includes 8 tickets)


Please let me know soon if any of these single event tickets would be of interest. We are projected to sell out of all available inventory for the FORMULA 1 race within the next week.

Best Regards,

x
Premium Sales Consultant
Circuit of the Americas
301 Congress Ave. Suite #220
Austin, TX 78701


Edited by AustinF1, 18 September 2012 - 22:01.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:55

November is not the wettest month here, but there certainly is the possibility.

http://www.weather.c.../graph/USTX0057

IIRC, it's about the 3rd wettest month...and very unpredictable.

ETA: Chart shows Nov as the 4th wettest. At least I was close! ;)

Edited by AustinF1, 18 September 2012 - 21:56.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:40

I don't know how old this link is, but the place is starting to look done. They should be ready with time to spare.

http://circuitofthea...-strong-finish1

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Yep nearly at the finish line :clap:

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Looking great too.

#141 FerrariFanInTexas

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 15:18

Quite the party building up for this race.

http://www.statesman...rida_latin.html

Aerosmith and Cheap Trick at the Erwin Center, Flo Rida and Enrique Iglesias at the Convention Center, two block parties on opposite sides of Congress Avenue. Downtown should be quite a mess. Glad I live in the 'burbs and can take the train into and out of downtown.

#142 AustinF1

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 15:30

Quite the party building up for this race.

http://www.statesman...rida_latin.html

Aerosmith and Cheap Trick at the Erwin Center, Flo Rida and Enrique Iglesias at the Convention Center, two block parties on opposite sides of Congress Avenue. Downtown should be quite a mess. Glad I live in the 'burbs and can take the train into and out of downtown.

Yep...and the Wallflowers at the “Official After Party” at the BobBullock Texas State History Museum.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 15:53

COTA wants neighbor to pay $23,000 for moving his water line.

http://www.kvue.com/...-170277756.html

Criminal trespass? WTF? Reminds me of something I heard the other day from another landowner. He went out and found some COTA construction trucks on his property. As he pulled up & stopped the guys came over & demanded to know what he was doing "trespassing"on COTA property. He calmly explained that they were on his land, not the reverse. They didn't say a word, got in their trucks, and left. I'm certain his reaction was much more restrained than mine would have been.

Apparently COTA moved Haywood's line without contacting him about it, then billed him for it. I'll admit ignorance here, but isn't $23000 quite a bit to move ~150 of water line?


AUSTIN – A dispute over a water line in Elroy has ignited between a homeowner and Circuit of the Americas (COTA), the company building the Formula 1 track there.

Haywood said his property already had a water line installed by its previous owners back in 1978 upon his arrival to the property in 1996.

The problem is the land over his water line was purchased by Circuit of the Americas who is building the F1 track.

Haywood said his attorney received a letter on Friday saying COTA spent $23,000 to move his water line and is accusing him of criminal trespass because of his line.

“I'm trying to find out why they're doing it. Are they doing it just because they can get away with it, because I might be in their way? I don't know. I don't know,” Haywood said.

Julie Loignon, a spokesperson for COTA, sent KVUE News an e-mail Tuesday after talking to an attorney. The e-mail said in part that Haywood illegally buried the waterline on COTA property. COTA said one of its contractors came across the line which was not built to code and had to be moved. Instead of cutting it, COTA said it relocated the waterline at a cost of approximately $23,000.

“I can't fight Formula 1 dollar for dollar. Don't even think about it. So I'm just going to live my life the best I can and hope that one day we'll be able to get along,” Haywood said.


Edited by AustinF1, 19 September 2012 - 16:00.


#144 midgrid

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 17:37

November is not the wettest month here, but there certainly is the possibility.

http://www.weather.c.../graph/USTX0057



IIRC, it's about the 3rd wettest month...and very unpredictable.

ETA: Chart shows Nov as the 4th wettest. At least I was close! ;)


Thanks! :up:


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 17:42

Criminal trespass? WTF?


"Criminal trespass" just means that you knowingly trespassed. Pretty much everything involving land has to be in writing, so my guess is that if Haywood doesn't have written proof of a prior agreement, then he's probably screwed. If he doesn't have anything written, then his best bet would be to claim that since the line was in place for however many years, that there was an implied easement or even a necessary easement, but his ability to do so depends on local law.

This isn't something that came up suddenly - I think the dispute goes back at least a year or so, and I think it's actually been to court. So if the court gave CotA permission to move the line, then there's really not much point in complaining to the press.

I'm not sure why he didn't sell out when he could. I guess none of us knows the details, and it's possible that CotA wasn't willing to give him a fair price fo the land and compensate him for his move. On the other hand, Haywood has his land for sale right now at what seems a ridiculous price, so what evidence we do have points to him thinking his land is worth much more than it really is.

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#146 AustinF1

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 17:52

"Criminal trespass" just means that you knowingly trespassed. Pretty much everything involving land has to be in writing, so my guess is that if Haywood doesn't have written proof of a prior agreement, then he's probably screwed. If he doesn't have anything written, then his best bet would be to claim that since the line was in place for however many years, that there was an implied easement or even a necessary easement, but his ability to do so depends on local law.

This isn't something that came up suddenly - I think the dispute goes back at least a year or so, and I think it's actually been to court. So if the court gave CotA permission to move the line, then there's really not much point in complaining to the press.

I'm not sure why he didn't sell out when he could. I guess none of us knows the details, and it's possible that CotA wasn't willing to give him a fair price fo the land and compensate him for his move. On the other hand, Haywood has his land for sale right now at what seems a ridiculous price, so what evidence we do have points to him thinking his land is worth much more than it really is.


Thanks for the explanation. It's interesting.

No, it's not new, but I don't think it's been to court. He didn't sell because he never got an offer that made it worth his while to move from the property he retired on 16 years ago and planned to live on the rest of his life. Some people say he's being obstinate by not accepting what some call a "market-value" offer ($300K or so), but I can certainly see his point. He's built a life out there with his wife & at their age it would be a major undertaking to move their belongings, their nursery, etc somewhere else...so market value doesn't really enter into the equation for him. It's about what it's worth for him to uproot everything, and who really knows what market value is out there right now? Everything is in flux.

Edited by AustinF1, 19 September 2012 - 18:04.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 22:10

Noone is going to believe him about it being there before and he didnt even know and and.. people build shit on other peoples 'unused' land all the time in the belief and hope that noone will notice. This time they noticed.

#148 AustinF1

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 22:17

Looks like Lot P isn't sold out after all. Parking available in all 4 lots.

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#149 AustinF1

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 00:21

Noone is going to believe him about it being there before and he didnt even know and and.. people build shit on other peoples 'unused' land all the time in the belief and hope that noone will notice. This time they noticed.

I don't think he ever said he didn't know it was there.

#150 loki

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 04:35

With all the great tracks in the states the powers-to-be decide to build another mickey-mouse tilkedrome out in the sticks. You could plop that track down anywhere and nothing would change. Featureless and dull.....just the way Bernie and gang like em. About the only bit that holds any interest is the incline at the start. We'll see I guess.


Other tracks over here don't have the infrastructure to host the demands of FOM and the FIA and the owners are perfectly content with making most of the money from track days, driving schools and club racing. Most are booked solid all season for just track rentals. F1 isn't a money maker for them and they aren't going to spend tens (or hundreds) of millions to change for F1. COTA is going to make a lot more money from having concerts than from F1.

Austin is hardly the "sticks". It's arguably the second high technology sector in the US behind Silicon Valley and has a population in the metro area of 1.7 million and is between three other major metropolitan areas. San Antonio, Dallas and Houston.