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#251 AustinF1

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 20:52

@AustinGrandPrix: #COTA revises policy due to fan feedback, "lenses smaller than 10 inches in length WILL BE permitted on site." #DSLR

Yep. Re-wording from COTA permits cameras with detachable lenses 10" long or shorter:

http://6bd32fe3d0a84...ms(9.28.12).pdf

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#252 FerrariFanInTexas

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 22:04

It's basically the same list as the ACL Festival. I wonder if they just copied it?

Edited by FerrariFanInTexas, 28 September 2012 - 22:05.


#253 ScuderiaSV1

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 01:14

I'm really glad they amended that rule on Lenses. I'd have to imagine the author who drafted those rules has very little clue about photography.. I personally tweeted the Austin Statesman that day and he informed me of the rule change. Many fans might have stayed away from the race if they would have known ahead of time that they were unable to bring their DSLR after shelling out significant cash just to attend the race.

#254 Clatter

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:49

Yep. Re-wording from COTA permits cameras with detachable lenses 10" long or shorter:

http://6bd32fe3d0a84...ms(9.28.12).pdf


I would imagine even that would hack a good number off. At Silverstone there are plenty of people with lenses that would rival the proffesionals, and with the distances betwen the stands and the cars you need a large lens to get really decent photos.

#255 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:51

I could have sworn that I already posted this, but the RV pads are coming back:

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#256 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:57

...and here are some new COTA aerial shots:

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#257 Buttoneer

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:12

They want you to rent one of those handheld radio/video doohickies at the track. I see "big ass flag on a stick" isn't listed - I'm bringing one of those.

Why would you want a flag with a big ass on it?

Regarding lenses, I think 10 inches lens length limit is a bit arbitrary. Why is there any restriction at all? I have a 50-500mm Sigma zoom which starts at 219 mm (so under ten inches) with a 50mm focal length but almost doubles in physical length at 500mm. If it started at 260mm it wouldn't be much more cumbersome getting through the gates and if it's about bashing the heads of people sitting in the row in front, that extended length plus a petal hood will causes bruises anyway. The Nikon Nikkor 500mm (5x the cost) starts at 350mm physical length and is banned from the off.

It would catch a lot of the 600-800mm lenses, certainly, but I hardly ever see many of these at circuits anyway, unless in the hands of the pro's.

#258 EvanRainer

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 13:25

Why would you want a flag with a big ass on it?


Why wouldn't you?

#259 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 14:04

Vance has been busy taking photos the last couple of days:

https://www.facebook...5...4878&type=1

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I guess motorauthority.com liked them, too, because they used them as their COTA photo update:

http://www.motorauth...f1-austin-texas


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#260 Ze Bum

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 14:32

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Whoever owns that green area just in front of turn 1 should get himself one of these:

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Easily the best spot to watch the race. :)


#261 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 14:41

Whoever owns that green area just in front of turn 1 should get himself one of these:

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Easily the best spot to watch the race. :)

He doesn't need it. From his property line he already has a great view.

Here it is. We've taken photos there & shared them, but he shot these and gave them to us:

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#262 Ze Bum

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 14:46

He doesn't need it. From his property line he already has a great view.


Oh, I thought they are probably going to build some walls and grandstands there to block the view from outsiders. :)


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 14:49

I bet that guy is going to have a lot of fun preventing a bunch of people from gathering on his property there, or is there a plan already?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 14:59

I bet that guy is going to have a lot of fun preventing a bunch of people from gathering on his property there, or is there a plan already?


Private property, so not sure how COTA could do anything. Maybe he would be willing to lease a portion during the race to COTA?

Had a friend drive the track (in a truck), said it is an amazing circuit and the uphill braking zone is nuts.


#265 Woody3says

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 15:10

The Texas Rangers tried to sue people for the price of a ticket two/three years ago when the Rangers FINALLY started winning playoff games. They were viewing from a balcony in a high rise just next to The Ballpark In Arlington. Pretty sure there wasn't anything they could actually do, but the office building agreed they wouldn't let the people hang out for a free view. Sounded like political strong arming to me. If I owned that spot I would have my lazyboy and a cooler of beer plopped down right at my fence line.

#266 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 15:28

COTA just announced the 2013 MotoGP date:

http://www.circuitof...cas.com/moto-gp

April 19-21, 2012

#267 FerrariFanInTexas

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 15:31

Moto GP apparently confirmed for mid April next year. Tix go on sale 10-16.

Per the COTA Facebook page. Sorry can't link, I'm on
my phone..

#268 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 15:54

COTA just announced the 2013 MotoGP date:

http://www.circuitof...cas.com/moto-gp

April 19-21, 2012

More from MotoGP.com:

http://www.motogp.co...cement for 2013

#269 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 16:16

Oh, I thought they are probably going to build some walls and grandstands there to block the view from outsiders. :)

Not enough room there for GSs behind the turn to block his view. A privacy fence is probably on the way in the long term, but as you say, that's easily defeated.

I bet that guy is going to have a lot of fun preventing a bunch of people from gathering on his property there, or is there a plan already?


Don't know if he has planned for that, but I'll be he'll have guests of his own. Also, you'd have to know the way to that spot and drive or walk across a lot of private land to get there. I know the way, but only because he showed me.

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#270 AustinF1

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 16:20

The Texas Rangers tried to sue people for the price of a ticket two/three years ago when the Rangers FINALLY started winning playoff games. They were viewing from a balcony in a high rise just next to The Ballpark In Arlington. Pretty sure there wasn't anything they could actually do, but the office building agreed they wouldn't let the people hang out for a free view. Sounded like political strong arming to me. If I owned that spot I would have my lazyboy and a cooler of beer plopped down right at my fence line.

Yeah...I guess I've become pretty rebellious in regard to the strongarm tactics these types use. I'd tell them in no uncertain terms what they could go do to themselves.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 17:30

Good to see this circuit getting non-F1 events, a shame the bosses of the various sports won't let Indy and F1 race on the same track. I think Indycar could do with racing on a full sized sweeping (5km+) circuit, and not just ovals, small street circuits and small race courses. It does make Indy car just seem like some kind of junior race series when you look at the tracks it uses.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 18:04

Not enough room there for GSs behind the turn to block his view. A privacy fence is probably on the way in the long term, but as you say, that's easily defeated.



Don't know if he has planned for that, but I'll be he'll have guests of his own. Also, you'd have to know the way to that spot and drive or walk across a lot of private land to get there. I know the way, but only because he showed me.


Get yourself on the guest list.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 18:38

What in the world is F1 coming to? Building what looks like a proper race track in a country with a big motorsports following and two former WDCs? Pshaw! Before we know it they'll be driving around in front of packed full grandstands. It's a disgrace!

I'm really looking forward to this race. When I heard they were bringing F1 back to the US in Texas I had a vision of something very different, and I was plain wrong. This has the makings of the best new track of the lot and we'll at least have plenty of fans in attendance. Well done Texas :)

#274 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 18:44

No still cameras with any type of removable lens?


Frak them, they just made my tribulations of thinking about going easier.

That's the most arrogantly idiotic thing imaginable! Not only do you want me to pay $$$$$$$ I can't take pictures of video??????

FRAK THEM.

Edited by Rubens Hakkamacher, 03 October 2012 - 18:45.


#275 Slowinfastout

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 18:51

hum you probably should have read some of the posts that came after that one..

In any case I really doubt the dude at the gates will attempt to disassemble your gear, these rules are written up to cover for idiots who show up with truly ridiculous stuff that is guaranteed to be annoying to the decent people sat just next to them..

Edited by Slowinfastout, 03 October 2012 - 18:52.


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 19:18

Why would you want a flag with a big ass on it?


I'm a huge Bernie Ecclestone fan!

#277 loki

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:40

Why would you want a flag with a big ass on it?


Yeah, where would one even get a picture of Max on a flag?..... :drunk: :wave:


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:51

Good to see this circuit getting non-F1 events, a shame the bosses of the various sports won't let Indy and F1 race on the same track.


COTA and ICS have been in discussions. According to the circuit and Indycar there is no provision limiting the circuit to F1 only. I think for 2013 they are trying to get more ovals on the calendar and make sure that Eddie Gossage at TMS in Fort Worth and the new Houston promoters are OK with another race in the market. Mike Lanigan and Mi-Jack have been in the sport for a while and I don't think Nard Dawg wants to upset either one.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:45

COTA and ICS have been in discussions. According to the circuit and Indycar there is no provision limiting the circuit to F1 only. I think for 2013 they are trying to get more ovals on the calendar and make sure that Eddie Gossage at TMS in Fort Worth and the new Houston promoters are OK with another race in the market. Mike Lanigan and Mi-Jack have been in the sport for a while and I don't think Nard Dawg wants to upset either one.

Yeah, I doubt it too...and I just can't see IndyCar pulling off three races in Texas. I know they love Texas and all, since the TMS race gets their 2nd biggest crowd of the year, but it's been doing that while being the only Indy race in the state (minus a couple of years at Reliant in Houston, which as you say returns next year).

I do think Bernard used the possibility of an Austin race as leverage in negotiations with both TMS and Houston, and COTA didn't mind at all, even if they did know it was bs.

Edited by AustinF1, 04 October 2012 - 08:49.


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#280 AustinF1

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 20:15

V8 Supercars has a date. May 17-19:

http://www.marketwat...2013-2012-10-04

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 20:24

I wonder if a "normal" scanner radio as used here in the US for racing would capture the F1 transmissions.
Anybody know?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 00:27

I believe the radio transmissions are encrypted.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:51

Quote:

"Will Buxton ‏@willbuxton

Oh dear. All appears not to be well at COTA. Garages haven't been built to spec and are far too small. Teams meeting Charlie to discuss"


:down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:


If I remember correctly, Charlie Whiting said a while ago in an interview that after the issue with Korea having unsafe corners, he would visit new GPs much more often during their construction to make sure everything is going according to plan.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:18

TOO small?? In Texas? :rotfl:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:08

After Korea and India barely finish as raceable tarmac it figures that the US would get THAT right but f up the buildings..... I know someone pretty high up in one of the contracted companies, see if I can find out any behind doors details to add.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:21

TOO small?? In Texas? :rotfl:


:lol: :up:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:37

I wonder if a "normal" scanner radio as used here in the US for racing would capture the F1 transmissions.
Anybody know?




Over the years the teams have one by one moved to digitally encrypted transmissions.
As of the race at Melbourne (and also the British GP) earlier this year the only thing left on analogue was...
- Toro Rosso
- A channel for pit -> transmissions for the lotus team. (Could hear the race engineer but not driver)

So I think the situation is that if you ever want to hear what F1 comms sound like, this year is probably your only chance before everything is digitally encrypted.

Your scanner can search, so as a starting point heres what was used...
Melbourne2012:
164.850 Ricciardo
164.0375 Vergne
457.550 Kimi's Pit
457.675 Grosjean's Pit

Silverstone2012:
164.925 Ricciardo
164.100 Vergne
457.0125 Kimi's Pit
457.1125 Grosjean's Pit


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:45

Quote:

"Will Buxton ‏@willbuxton

Oh dear. All appears not to be well at COTA. Garages haven't been built to spec and are far too small. Teams meeting Charlie to discuss"


:down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:


If I remember correctly, Charlie Whiting said a while ago in an interview that after the issue with Korea having unsafe corners, he would visit new GPs much more often during their construction to make sure everything is going according to plan.

How is that even possible. Not like Tilke has ever built a track before. Surely he gave them the proper specs.

#289 Slowinfastout

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:47

Didn't Whiting visit and put the FIA seal on the track already?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:48

Could this cause a race cancelation?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:49

Hadn't heard this about the garages. Did hear yesterday that the tunnels have been flooding and have to have the water pumped out whenever there's heavy rain.

- Possible garage issues
- Reported tunnel flooding
- RV pads being rebuilt

Maybe these are why no photos are being allowed any longer inside COTA.

Here are the tweets, btw:

Will Buxton ‏@willbuxton
Oh dear. All appears not to be well at COTA. Garages haven't been built to spec and are far too small. Teams meeting Charlie to discuss.


Will Buxton ‏@willbuxton
Health and safety won't allow them to work in the garages. Bernie won't allow them to work under tarpaulin. One royal screw up brewing.


Edited by AustinF1, 05 October 2012 - 14:41.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:50

Far too small? I wonder if the contractors used feet instead of meters...

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:50

Buston also tweeted it has to do with health and safety inspectors saying the garages are not up size specs. If I had to guess, I would say the garages don't meet requirements for spaces that will have exhaust fumes.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:52

I'd be curious to know who's the real source of the story before getting agitated... Buxton is halfway around the world now so someone spoon-fed him that story..

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:54

Well, Buxton said the teams were meeting with Charlie in Japan so it probably wasn't hard to find out.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 14:04

Anyway, I guess karma will sort that out.. lol

I still don't get how the garages can be found to be 'far too small' after Whiting approved the facilities, which he did: http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102859

If the thing gets flooded every time it rains then that's obviously another issue.

This all sound very F1 and Ecclestone-ish whatever is going on..

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 14:06

How is that even possible. Not like Tilke has ever built a track before. Surely he gave them the proper specs.


They forgot to convert from metric to imperial.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 14:43

I'd be curious to know who's the real source of the story before getting agitated... Buxton is halfway around the world now so someone spoon-fed him that story..


Well, Buxton said the teams were meeting with Charlie in Japan so it probably wasn't hard to find out.


Exactly, and isn't Bernie there, too? He could have gotten this from countless sources.

Edited by AustinF1, 05 October 2012 - 14:45.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 14:48

Shocked at this news. How can engineering in this day and age screw up something like this? There should be many checks and balances in the dimensions before this is even allowed to go to the construction stage.

I tweeted the American-StatesmanF1 to try to find out more info. Nothing yet..

Hope for a quick resolution. They do have a month to sort this issue.. :(

Edited by ScuderiaSV1, 05 October 2012 - 14:49.


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#300 Ze Bum

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 15:13

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What are these 6 empty spots in the middle?

I don't think they have time to build houses there any more, have they?