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#301 AustinF1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 15:29

What are these 6 empty spots in the middle?

I don't think they have time to build houses there any more, have they?

Those are foundations for the team buildings, which aren't being built.

Edited by AustinF1, 05 October 2012 - 16:12.


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#302 AustinF1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 16:12

COTA photo update from a couple of days ago:

https://www.facebook...5...9693&type=1

Turn 19, from near Turn 20:

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From the pedestrian bridge looking at Turns 3-6...

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Second cut-through:

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Pit building at night:

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Finish line?

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Looking back from Turn 8:

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Looking at Turn 18 from Turn 19:

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Turns 1-2, looking from the pedestrian bridge just before 3:

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#303 AustinF1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 16:43

Statesman: Tilke says garages not too small:

http://www.statesman...too_small.html/

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 16:56

Statesman: Tilke says garages not too small:

http://www.statesman...too_small.html/


Well, that was quick, lol

Here's me wondering again where has that story originated and how it could possibly lead to the teams querying Whiting about it.

#305 Watkins74

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 17:11

Well, that was quick, lol

Here's me wondering again where has that story originated and how it could possibly lead to the teams querying Whiting about it.

Didn't it start with Will Buxton? The same guy who put a tweet at the 2011 German GP that all the teams were illegal except two teams. Will Buxton is an idiot.

Remember this:

http://fr.twitter.co...117151362908162

Edited by Watkins74, 05 October 2012 - 17:15.


#306 Spa95

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 17:14

He certainly has a knack for hyperbole.

#307 Slowinfastout

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 17:17

I don't think Buxton plucked the whole thing out of thin air. He was reporting something which was likely intended to be reported... doesn't mean it's not BS but it likely means someone is up to no good, as usual.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 17:29

Will Buxton's mouth is (again) "writing checks his ass can't cash". Clearly heard/misheard something and saw a story. Get your facts right before putting stuff out there, unprofessional.

As for the circuit, she looks stunning!! Really looking forward to the race, although i'm a little disappointed there aren't more stars and strips. Was hoping they'd paint the kerbs in the US flag or something! :D

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 17:36

Circuit officials and the engineers at Tilke GmbH say the garages are fine and meet the requirements by FIA, the governing body for Formula One and other automobile series. Here’s the numbers from Tilke:

FIA proposal: 18.00m X 7.00m = 126.00 square meters

Austin: 18.85m X 6.70m = 126.30 square meters


Pretty sure some garages on the calendar are much smaller than that, but I guess this nonsense originated with the numbers there...

#310 King Six

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 17:37

Didn't it start with Will Buxton? The same guy who put a tweet at the 2011 German GP that all the teams were illegal except two teams. Will Buxton is an idiot.

Remember this:

http://fr.twitter.co...117151362908162

Wasn't that about some uniforms or something. I stopped following this guy soon after, he talks loads of bollocks. Will "bucko" Buxton, seems like a right idiot.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 17:39

Has the final layer of tarmac been completed?

#312 AustinF1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 18:38

Will Buxton's mouth is (again) "writing checks his ass can't cash". Clearly heard/misheard something and saw a story. Get your facts right before putting stuff out there, unprofessional.

As for the circuit, she looks stunning!! Really looking forward to the race, although i'm a little disappointed there aren't more stars and strips. Was hoping they'd paint the kerbs in the US flag or something! :D

Just wait. Keep your eyes open for the Stars & Stripes in the runoffs near the Tower.

#313 AustinF1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 18:38

Has the final layer of tarmac been completed?

Yep.

#314 AustinF1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 18:39

Pretty sure some garages on the calendar are much smaller than that, but I guess this nonsense originated with the numbers there...

Monaco?

#315 AustinF1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 18:51

COTA Camera policy change. Detachable cameras lenses of all sizes WILL BE PERMITTED:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 19:28

Just wait. Keep your eyes open for the Stars & Stripes in the runoffs near the Tower.


:lol: Brilliant. The best thing about US events/sports is the OTT nature, i'm hoping they can bring some of that to F1.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 21:39

COTA Camera policy change. Detachable cameras lenses of all sizes WILL BE PERMITTED:

https://m.facebook.c..._user=500421258


They should start a campaign to change the food and drink policy next.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:42

That won't change. All the stick n ball sports force you to buy their food inside. Keep in mind who Red is.....

#319 AustinF1

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:17

A poster on another board posted pics of the tour he took today. Here they are:

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#320 AustinF1

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:19

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#321 mariner

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:08

An article on the Austin Statesman newspaper web site implied that all the tickets are almost sold out already .

Is that actually true does anybody know please?

#322 phil1993

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:47

Hi guys, I wrote this about how coverage could be key to F1 and the USA.
http://www.f1zone.ne...-america/15949/

Obviously I'm not an American, so I can't profess to have first hand knowledge. Feel free to (constructively!) criticise it.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:50

An article on the Austin Statesman newspaper web site implied that all the tickets are almost sold out already .

Is that actually true does anybody know please?


Sounds optimistic but would be nice

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:36

Hi guys, I wrote this about how coverage could be key to F1 and the USA.
http://www.f1zone.ne...-america/15949/

Obviously I'm not an American, so I can't profess to have first hand knowledge. Feel free to (constructively!) criticise it.

Phil-

We have some people outside of the USA that join us on the NASCAR threads and they are always shocked by the amount of commercials they see on the streamed USA telecast. It really effects their enjoyment of the race. The thing is if you live in the USA you have seen these commercials your whole life, so while maybe you don't enjoy them you are used to them. In other words it is not just our F1 telecasts that have ads it is a factor in almost everything we watch in the States. I personally like the F1 commentator's on SPEED.

My hopefully constructive two cents.

Edited by Watkins74, 06 October 2012 - 18:42.


#325 phil1993

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:40

Thanks, appreciated. :up:

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:45

That won't change. All the stick n ball sports force you to buy their food inside. Keep in mind who Red is.....


I'm just used to taking everything I need in with me when I go to Silverstone. Would be hacked off if forced to pay through the nose on-site.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 19:45

An article on the Austin Statesman newspaper web site implied that all the tickets are almost sold out already .

Is that actually true does anybody know please?

Last week I counted ~1200 seats available in the GSs at T1, T12, and T15. I've been hearing there are Main GS seats available as well, but they haven't been showing up on the TicketMaster page. I haven't counted seats again since then, but if you look at the TicketMaster page now, there are seats available in 22 sections in T1, 12, & 15.

I've also been hearing rumors from a couple of different twitter sources, one of whom I know to be credible and connected, that COTA is looking hard at reopening GA sales. It would surprise me if they didn't. I said they'd reopen them as soon as I saw they'd arbitrarily closed them.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 00:15

Everything I've seen lately, seems to indicate that they're offering tickets to other COTA events at around only ~20% more than other venues would, without PSLs, as compared to a 1000% increase for F1. The intention appears to be that the aim was to completely gouge the F1 experience, because, "**** it! They'll pay."

I believe they've intentionally mislead us about the availability of tickets/seats/RVs/parking, etc., purely to squeeze every last drop out of F1 pre-sales they could get. I'd like to think I'm wrong. I really would. But, until this first event comes to pass, no one can know for sure.

At the end of the day, we'll know in November, won't we?




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#329 AustinF1

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:43

After a busy weekend, just got around to sorting some pics I took Thursday:

https://www.facebook...5...4878&type=1

Turn 9-10 GS under construction:

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Installation of artificial turf in Turn 10 runoff:

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Turn 10 GA area:

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Artificial turf on the edge running up to T11:

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T12 GS with new RV pads in the foreground:

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New RV pads with more under construction. The new pads have been raised and are above the track rather than below it:

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T11W GSs with downtown and ABIA behind:

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Downtown Austin from T11:

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:57

$40 Lot Q parking now available at FM 812 and Hwy 21:

http://www.ticketmas...p;minorcatid=25

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 14:21

Still trying to figure out the GA areas....


.. and the exact parking logistics?

/ poor

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 15:06

Tilke talking about Austin in AMuS:

Wie kommen die Arbeiten in Austin voran?
Tilke: Es muss noch viel gemacht werden. Aber so etwas wird immer in der letzten Minute fertig. Der Asphalt ist aber schon komplett drauf. Wir haben ungefähr 15 Leute da - Ingenieure und Architekten - alles wird gut.

What is that status of the preparations in Austin?
T: There is a lot to be done. That's normal, such projects always finish at the last minute. The asphalt has been applied. My office has approximately 15 people in place - engineers and architects - everything will be fine.

Wie zufrieden waren sie mit der Ausführung der Bauarbeiten?
Tilke: Das war alles super. In Kurve eins musste ein großer Hügel aufgeschüttet werden. Aber die Amerikaner haben gute Maschinen und sind richtig schlagkräftig, was das Bauen angeht. Man hat natürlich jeden Tag kleinere Probleme. Aber nichts, was über das Normale hinausging.

How happy are you with how the construction was done?
T: Everything was great. In T1 a high hill had to be created, but the Americans have good machines and are very effective as far as construction is concerned. Of course there are small problems every day, but nothing beyond the usual.

Wie ist der Charakter der Strecke?
Tilke: Das müssen natürlich die Piloten später beurteilen. Ich hoffe, dass es vom fahrerischen interessant wird. Ich hoffe auch, dass überholt werden kann und dass es ein spannendes Rennen gibt. Wir haben mit verbreiterten Kurveneingängen gearbeitet. Wir haben Höhenunterschiede. Da kann man dann den Scheitelpunkt nicht erkennen und fährt blind in Kurven rein.

What is the character of the track?
T: You have to ask the drivers after they drove there. I hope that it is interesting to drive. I also hope that it will be possible to overtake and that it will make for an interesting race. We build widened corner entries and there are elevation changes, so you cannot see the apex and have to enter corners blindly.

Sie haben also alles versucht, um die Piloten in Fehler zu treiben?
Tilke: Wir Architekten versuchen immer alles. Aber die Fahrer sind leider so verdammt gut. Auch die Techniker und die Autos sind nahezu perfekt. Das ist schwierig.

So you tried to lure drivers into errors?
As architects we always try everything. But the drivers are so damn good. Also the technicians and the cars are nearly perfect. That makes it difficult [for us]

Würden Sie sagen, dass es ihre beste Strecke ist?
Tilke: Nein, das kann man nie sagen. Jede Strecke ist anders vom Charakter her.

Would you say it's your best track?
T: No, you never can say that. Every track has a different character.

Wie ist die Asphalt-Beschaffenheit?
Tilke: Der Belag muss sich noch ein bisschen setzen. Richtigen Grip gibt es immer erst nach einem Jahr.

How are the asphalt properties?
T: The asphalt still needs to settle. It always needs a year to develop the real grip.

He also talked about Sochi, I translated it in the appropriate thread.

#333 AustinF1

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 15:41

In T1 a high hill had to be created


Thanks for the translation!

I wonder if something was lost in translation here (no fault of the translator!). That hill was already there.

Edited by AustinF1, 09 October 2012 - 16:04.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:59

Thanks for the translation!

I wonder if something was lost in translation here (no fault of the translator!). That hill was already there.


It's not totally unambiguous in the original German, which was "In Kurve eins musste ein großer Hügel aufgeschüttet werden". The most general reading of that would be "in turn 1 a big hill had to be created/built". But it's entirely plausible that Tilke, being an architect, would use the idiom of construction, and I suppose in technical jargon "einen großen Hügel aufschütten" could be used in the sense of "increasing the height of an already existing big hill", or even "filling in troughs in the face of an existing big hill". Edit: Or "decreasing the slope of a(n existing) big hill" :)

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 09 October 2012 - 17:38.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 17:00

Curious if anyone has received their tickets or heard from COTA yet? The confirmation email stated "You will receive your tickets via: Standard Mail: - Delivery will begin on October 1, 2012 (so you will receive your tickets by October 15th) ." so someone should be getting their goodies soon. I'm ready!

#336 metz

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 17:59

"in turn 1 a big hill had to be created/built/worked/sculpted" is how I read it.

#337 BoxToOvertake

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 18:57

will it be the case of ****in too much non-grip and dirt offline that no one will pass like india 2011

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 19:09

They should set 2 DRS zones.
KERS won't recharge enough from one to the other.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 22:18

COTA Camera policy change. Detachable cameras lenses of all sizes WILL BE PERMITTED:

https://m.facebook.c..._user=500421258

The right answer, if only because all the VIP's will want to bring their white lenses and you got to keep those boys happy.

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#340 AustinF1

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 23:21

COTA getting some paint:

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Vance took this one today as well:

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#341 loki

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 23:22

Thanks for the translation!

I wonder if something was lost in translation here (no fault of the translator!). That hill was already there.


I think it's just another way of saying they had to work on that corner. Even though they stuck to the geographic topology, there is still some grading, excavating and packing to be done. Witness the digging of the road bed and sealing liner. IIRC there were some pics early on in the other thread (that I thought you posted) that showed them prepping that corner. Lap one, turn one will be epic.


#342 AustinF1

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:31

I think it's just another way of saying they had to work on that corner. Even though they stuck to the geographic topology, there is still some grading, excavating and packing to be done. Witness the digging of the road bed and sealing liner. IIRC there were some pics early on in the other thread (that I thought you posted) that showed them prepping that corner. Lap one, turn one will be epic.

You're right. There was a lot of dirt work in every area (hell, it's still going on). I thought it might be something like that.

#343 SDLRob

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 16:33

COTA getting some paint:

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I'm guessing that they will be adding the speed bumps on the red/white lines?

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 16:47

I'm guessing that they will be adding the speed bumps on the red/white lines?

I hope so, there must be something...

#345 BoxToOvertake

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 16:57

the whites is kerbs already

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 18:08

Another:

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#347 olliek88

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 18:27

The right answer, if only because all the VIP's will want to bring their white lenses and you got to keep those boys happy.


I'm definitely not a "VIP" but i own a DSLR and often use a 400mm lens when shooting motorsport. Its every day people that are far more likely to use longer lenses, i can't imagine Mr Giorgio Gabbana is going to carry one around with him in the paddock club somehow.

#348 King Six

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 20:44

Looking very green. I think when most non-Americans (or maybe non-Texans) think of Texas they just think of a giant desert!

#349 red stick

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 20:54

Looking very green. I think when most non-Americans (or maybe non-Texans) think of Texas they just think of a giant desert!

It's Austin, not Odessa. :)


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 21:01

Looking very green. I think when most non-Americans (or maybe non-Texans) think of Texas they just think of a giant desert!


Austin can be dry during the summer, but we actually are considered a sub-tropical climate:

From Wikipedia

Climate

Austin has a humid subtropical climate (Köppen Cfa), characterized by hot summers with prevailing humid winds from the Gulf of Mexico and mild winters. On average, Austin receives 33.6 inches (853.4 mm) of rain per year, with most of the precipitation in the spring, and a secondary maximum in the fall. During springtime, severe thunderstorms sometimes occur, though tornadoes are rare in the city. Austin is usually at least partially sunny, receiving nearly 2650 hours, or 60.3% of the possible total, of bright sunshine per year.[59]
Austin summers are usually hot, with average July and August highs in the high-90s °F (34–36 °C). Highs exceed 90 °F (32.2 °C) on 109 days per year, and 100 °F (37.8 °C) on 12.[citation needed] The highest recorded temperature was 112 °F (44 °C) occurring on September 5, 2000 and August 28, 2011[60][61]
Winters in Austin are mild and relatively dry. For the entire year, Austin averages 88 days below 45 °F (7.2 °C) and 18 days when the minimum temperature falls below freezing. The lowest recorded temperature was −2 °F (−19 °C) on January 31, 1949.[62] About every two years or so, Austin experiences an ice storm that freezes roads over and affects much of the city for 24 to 48 hours.[62] Snowfall is rare in Austin; a 3-inch (7.6 cm) snowstorm brought the city to a near standstill in 1985.[63]