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[BackOnTop]

http://www.planetf1....ts-Cause-Furore

He set the eighth fastest time during qualifying on Saturday, well off the pace of his team-mate and pole-sitter Jenson Button.
This prompted him to take to Twitter on Saturday where he posted a series of angry comments following the decision to use a different rear-wing to that of Button.

'Damn, WTF!! Jenson has the new rear wing on, I have the old. We voted to change, didn't work out. I lose 0.4 tenths just on the straight,' he wrote.
'Nothing I could do. Now, it's about picking up every point I can from there. Jenson should win easy with that speed.'

But the Brit was at it again on Sunday morning, this time posting telemetry data.

According to BBC Sport, 'the telemetry sheet not only contained traces of the two drivers' laps, showing where Hamilton was losing time to Button, but also information about the car's settings, including sensitive data such as its ride height'.

The image was deleted not long after with McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh confirming that they asked him to take it down.
"No, we did not ask Lewis to remove yesterday's tweets, but yes we did ask him to remove this morning's telemetry tweets," he said.

Belgian GP: Lewis Hamilton's tweet angers McLaren team
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19456707
Lewis Hamilton has angered his McLaren team by posting sensitive technical information on the social networking site Twitter.

Edited by BackOnTop, 02 September 2012 - 15:17.

[Watkins74]

$20 million right foot connected to a $1 brain. What a childish thing to do.

[Jejking]

I'm not sure indeed why he does that. It's a good source of info but hey, it isn't the smart thing to do.

[NateF]

How is that different from this? Apart from permission maybe?

[Disgrace]

Non-topic. Innocent mistake due to slight red mist, he's had a tough week due to the death of his aunt anyway, appropriate action taken, settings meant squat-all in the end due to the first corner crash.

[pazza]

Clearly a boy with a hurt ego .... but what an ego it must be considering it's not too often that JB has had his measure this season.

[Moore]

Innocent mistake going to surely be completely blown out of proportion because its Hamilton.

[King Six]

Innocent mistake going to surely be completely blown out of proportion because its Hamilton.

To be fair, a world champion in his 6th season as a driver for a front running team (for his entire career). You'd think he wouldn't make such a mistake...but **** happens. Personally there's probably nothing there that rival teams don't know already anyway, but McLaren still won't be happy.

[Moore]

To be fair, a world champion in his 6th season as a driver for a front running team (for his entire career). You'd think he wouldn't make such a mistake...but **** happens. Personally there's probably nothing there that rival teams don't know already anyway, but McLaren still won't be happy.

I know what you mean, but professional people can still make mistakes.

[Atreiu]

What does that contain that other teams can't pick up with their million dollar sensors and stuff spread all aorund?

[aray]

How is that different from this? Apart from permission maybe?

so you can't see the difference.?...those nos. in left are too hard to read for you.?..

[Seanspeed]

Innocent mistake going to surely be completely blown out of proportion because its Hamilton.

Its not an 'innocent' mistake at all, though. He should know better than that. If not, then he's really lacking some important wits.

Anyways, he says/does stupid stuff off-the-track quite a bit. If he gets flak for it, its not 'because its Hamilton' its because of Hamilton.

[MP422]

He feels he is getting screwed by the team, You can see why he is tweeting this stuff. He clearly feels misled and isn't confident about the job the team are doing.

[Longtimefan]

$20 million right foot connected to a $1 brain. What a childish thing to do.

^^ This

Hamilton is a great racer without a doubt but his attitude and immaturity is a problem.

[NateF]

He feels he is getting screwed by the team, You can see why he is tweeting this stuff. He clearly feels misled and isn't confident about the job the team are doing.

Then he will not resign, yes?

[DanardiF1]

I think he just wanted to give some insight in why he was so far down the grid in relation to his teammate to his fans. It's an honest intention borne out of frustration with the team's decision to run the older RW on his car.

Everyone uses the same telemetry systems, and the 'sensitive' information is probably known to other teams anyway, what with their spotters and photographs and every thing they use to 'spy' on the opposition...

Non-story, just a shame that kinda stuff is not really allowed to 'go public' with prior vetting...

[NateF]

so you can't see the difference.?...those nos. in left are too hard to read for you.?..

Still, seems like mountain out of a mole hill

[BackOnTop]

Hamilton Twitter outburst has McLaren in damage control mode
http://www.yallaf1.c.....8YallaF1.com)

Mclaren ask Lewis to Delete Tweets
http://www.pitpass.c...es_art_id=47155

Edited by BackOnTop, 02 September 2012 - 15:35.

[PARAZAR]

Not the most clever thing to do, posting confidential info on twitter. Had this been any other company that would be cause for immediate dismissal.

Edited by PARAZAR, 02 September 2012 - 15:28.

[Kvothe]

This thread is exactly why I roll my eyes whenever someone moans about today's F1 drivers being corporate drones or not showing any personality, because as soon as they do, be they Vettel, Alonso ect they get jumped on, by a bunch of nameless faces on the web who no doubt vote republican.

Unless you work for McLaren I can't see how anyone could fail to appreciate it for the valuable insight it is.

[DanardiF1]

Hamilton Twitter outburst has McLaren in damage control mode
http://www.yallaf1.c.....8YallaF1.com)

Mclaren ask Lewis to Delete Tweets
http://www.pitpass.c...es_art_id=47155

Hamilton gives insight into qualifying woes
http://www.pitpass.c...es_art_id=47154

You've got those URLs wrong, it's Pisspass...

[Raziel]

You are a couple hours late with this "news"


anyway, it is good for us fans to see more private stuff from the teams but obviously bad for them

[Seanspeed]

I think he just wanted to give some insight in why he was so far down the grid in relation to his teammate to his fans.

I think he's just entirely too worried about what other people think about him.

[bub]

I'd like to know why you can't post that stuff.

[gm914]

Unless you work for McLaren I can't see how anyone could fail to appreciate it for the valuable insight comic value it is.

Fixed.
The rest of your post was not worth quoting.

[DanardiF1]

I think he's just entirely too worried about what other people think about him.

That could be the root of it, but like I said I think his intentions are honest, whatever the sub-conscious motivation.

[Biggun]

Not a great weekend from him on so many levels, think the strain of the contract talks might be getting to him

[Kvothe]

Fixed.
The rest of your post was not worth quoting.

Or raises uncomfortable issues you clearly find yourself unable to deal with, NVM.

[Disgrace]

This thread is exactly why I roll my eyes whenever someone moans about today's F1 drivers being corporate drones or not showing any personality, because as soon as they do, be they Vettel, Alonso ect they get jumped on, by a bunch of nameless faces on the web who no doubt vote republican.

Unless you work for McLaren I can't see how anyone could fail to appreciate it for the valuable insight it is.

[Les]

I don't know how to answer the poll questions as I don't work for McLaren but I know if I was to post sensitive information from my work on Twitter then I would not get off lightly! I agree with the poster who said he has a £20 million right foot and a £1 brain.

[King Six]

Not the most clever thing to do, posting confidential info on twitter. Had this been any other company that would be cause for immediate dismissal.

Hamilton as their top level driver is in an almost CEO-like position in McLaren, he'll need to do more than this to truly piss them off.

[wj_gibson]

Why on earth did Hamilton think that was a good idea?

It smacks of someone trying to prove a point. In fact, it smacks of someone essentially saying "f*** you" to his employer.

But then, why was he trying to prove a point? I thought this was resolved yesterday when it was clear that the rear wing choice was a joint decision from all involved in order to avoid the potentially embarrassing situation of sticking experimental new parts on Hamilton's car only to have them fail.

So something is going on here. Hmailton would know very well that he would be asked to remove telemetry data from Twitter. If I go and post our clients' market research data all over Facebook, for example, I'm going to be (at the very least) severely reprimanded.

[wj_gibson]

Hamilton as their top level driver is in an almost CEO-like position in McLaren, he'll need to do more than this to truly piss them off.

I'm not too sure about that; he doesn't strike me as having too many friends at McLaren, tbh. I would be amazed if McLaren haven't been sounding out other drivers for several months now, just in case they couldn't reach an agreement with Lewis (plus, Lewis very publicly sounded out Red Bull a few months ago; were I Whitmarsh I would have taken that as a clear signal to go and court di Resta or Hulkenburg with immediate effect).

[BackOnTop]

I think he just wanted to give some insight in why he was so far down the grid in relation to his teammate to his fans. It's an honest intention borne out of frustration with the team's decision to run the older RW on his car.

Everyone uses the same telemetry systems, and the 'sensitive' information is probably known to other teams anyway, what with their spotters and photographs and every thing they use to 'spy' on the opposition...

Non-story, just a shame that kinda stuff is not really allowed to 'go public' with prior vetting...

Or it could be that Hamilton is trying to show to the world that Mclaren is "Favoring Button"!! Also, this comes at a time where Lewis might be getting a bit Paranoid about his contract situation with Mclaren.

This could be start of something really sour between the Team & Hamilton... going to such extent as trying to show Button is really not that Fast... could actually make the bubble burst.

Or it will come to nothing and F1 moves on.

[Raziel]

Hamilton as their top level driver is in an almost CEO-like position in McLaren, he'll need to do more than this to truly piss them off.

Shhhhhhh they don't know that, they think that he is in very bad position within McLaren and that their relationship ended after this weekend

[PARAZAR]

Hamilton as their top level driver is in an almost CEO-like position in McLaren, he'll need to do more than this to truly piss them off.

CEO-like position? He' a driver employed by a team. If Ferrari sacked Prost for bad behaviour, any team can do the same if they see fit.

[jerriy]

It was not politically correct but nevertheless a good tweet.

It means Lewis cares.

[natureboy]

Pointless and stupid.

Pointless because from a guy that likes to "move on", he's dragging the wing issue. Can't he switch racing engineer if he's not happy?

Stupid because he gave some free data to other teams.

Most talented driver on the grid, but clearly lacks maturity. If the stars aren't aligned he's just not what he can and should be - the best driver on the grid.

[Rakaman]

Nobody cares. Their telemetry isn't worth the effort to copy/paste if they don't even know what wing to put on the car.

[Sof1]

Unprofessional behaviour. Cry baby.

[Coral]

It was not politically correct but nevertheless a good tweet.

It means Lewis cares.

Of course Lewis cares. He cares too much...that's why I like him so much. The trouble is, he is driving for a team that doesn't care. Therein lies the problem.

[fieraku]

$20 million right foot connected to a $1 brain. What a childish thing to do.

More like connected to a heavy set of balls.

[Tardis40]

Off with his head!!!

[PassWind]

I'd like to know why you can't post that stuff.

I have to presume that you are not of working age else you ought to know why. In any employee contract in any country that has IR laws IP laws there would be a clause that the company retains all rights to information pertaining to its business activities. McLaren would have a policy and the relevant parts would appear in a employee contract and also at some stage discussed in other forum. It is stock business practice to protect property for competitive reasons. That is why you can't just post that stuff.

[SR388]

This thread is exactly why I roll my eyes whenever someone moans about today's F1 drivers being corporate drones or not showing any personality, because as soon as they do, be they Vettel, Alonso ect they get jumped on, by a bunch of nameless faces on the web who no doubt vote republican.

Unless you work for McLaren I can't see how anyone could fail to appreciate it for the valuable insight it is.

This, folks need to go and read up about F1 in the eighties, when you had dudes calling their competitors dumb and slandering their wives.


I wish I was there to see it.

[halifaxf1fan]

$20 million right foot connected to a $1 brain. What a childish thing to do.

The team will be furious. Career suicide perhaps. Hamilton's insecurity is off the charts.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 02 September 2012 - 16:18.

[LewisWDC]

Well done Lewis, we now have conclusive proof of all the shenanigans going on at Mclaren.
Keep exposin them, and good luck with ur Mercedez contract it will be a match made in heaven!

Fight fire with fire!

I can't wait for your tell-all book on the goings on at Mclaren, fascinating read for sure!

Edited by LewisWDC, 02 September 2012 - 16:21.

[denthierry]

How is that different from this? Apart from permission maybe?

There's nothing top secret in the tweeted info. And though i'm sure McLaren is not keen on having their pilots wildly spreading such info, it's just blatantly childish behaviour to use Twitter to moan about a presumption of being treated unequally. And i'm pretty sure thàt's what angered them much more.
Spoilt little brat.

[Tenmantaylor]

Well done Lewis, we now have conclusive proof of all the shenanigans going on at Mclaren.
Keep exposin them, and good luck with ur Mercedez contract it will be a match made in heaven!

Fight fire with fire!

I can't wait for your tell-all book on the goings on at Mclaren, fascinating read for sure!

Something tells me you don't have a career. Or with a name like that an ounce of objectivity.

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 02 September 2012 - 16:34.

[fatd]

I don't hate his attitude in general, in fact I see him as a very spirited and strong-willed driver, but Hamilton should stay away from twitter when he's being emotional. As a spectator it's interesting, but if I were part of the team I wouldn't like that really.