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#4001 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 16:26

Well, Lewis said they did not bring any updates to this race. Maybe some small changes to the details make a big difference nowadays? Look at Maldonado for example.


I think we have learned that this year the question is who can get the tyres in the optimal window on a given track in a given session, and that's not entirely dependent on updates.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 03 November 2012 - 16:26.


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#4002 Ravenak

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 16:27

No penalty for Vettel so the task has just got even harder. Oh well. Maybe we'll get lucky and Seb's problem will recur tomorrow.


It's not official yet, patience.

#4003 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 16:28

Well, Lewis said they did not bring any updates to this race. Maybe some small changes to the details make a big difference nowadays? Look at Maldonado for example.


You guys brought some things but not too much. Someone from McLaren said the updates definitely didn't account for the gap to 2nd. But yes I think the small details matter a lot. That & the track. Wonder how many teams will have updates for Austin. Ferrari definitely will. And they'll work. I just hope it won't be too late.

#4004 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 16:28

There has been no official report. Humphrey doesn't know anything yet, neither does Kravitz. Everything else is just rumors.


Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Vettel investigation ongoing - Christian Horner and more Renault guys have now gone to race control to see FIA

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Unusual for a team principal to become involved in such matters which can only mean it's getting serious for Vettel...

(From the thread http://forums.autosp...w...755&st=160)

#4005 topical

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 16:36

Apologies. I was mislead by the rash of "no penalty" posts in the other thread.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 17:01

Alonso needs this penalty.. He should have qualified from the 2 nd row for a clear chance at the win or second place, although I do think that he can pull a Valencia and displace Button, Kimi and Webber - he is that much better driver ... If anyone can pull this it would be Alonso, for another driver it would be an impossible task.

Edited by discover23, 03 November 2012 - 17:01.


#4007 SCUDmissile

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 17:20

Kimi seems to think he can take the fight to RB. If he can, then so can Ferrari imo. Tomorrow is another day.

#4008 SCUDmissile

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 17:22

Great shot of the newest F2012 Diffuser

http://www.formula1....r1203nov236.jpg
Via F1/Sutton

Many people go on about how 'simple' the Ferraris look. that is one of the most advanced looking diffusers on the grid. I guess the Ferrari just doesn't like these kind of tracks.
Rubbish here, Singapore and Hungary and Valencia, Monaco quali

Edited by SCUDmissile, 03 November 2012 - 17:30.


#4009 Ferrari2183

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 17:23

Seems the drivers extracted everything from the car but judging from what Kimi said about the track coming to them I can't help but think that it moved away from Ferrari.

So my apologies to the Alonso fans. I jumped the gun.

#4010 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 17:40

Seems the drivers extracted everything from the car but judging from what Kimi said about the track coming to them I can't help but think that it moved away from Ferrari.

So my apologies to the Alonso fans. I jumped the gun.


Don't apologize. I think for sure Fernando could've done a better lap. That or the team is lying about the updates. I'm not criticizing Fernando, he's my driver, but the team clearly said Fernando had some updates Felipe didn't. I would hope they accounted for more time than the gap from Fer to Felipe.

It's water under the bridge. Too late now. Fernando has been near perfect all year so I'm not sweating it. He should have a good race tomorrow. :up:

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:43

Vettel to start from the pitlane. This is Ferrari and Alonso's big chance, P.6 on the grid, get a strong result tomorrow and everything is possible in the last two races. Get a clean first lap then fingers crossed!

#4012 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:43

I hope the naysayers understand now the concept of "it's not over 'till it's over". And that's exactly the sort of RBR error I was talking about when I went on and on about "keeping up the pressure" for the last week.

#4013 currupipi

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:45

Seems the drivers extracted everything from the car but judging from what Kimi said about the track coming to them I can't help but think that it moved away from Ferrari.

So my apologies to the Alonso fans. I jumped the gun.


no need to apologize, i am a alonso fan and i was pissed ( at him , not your comments) , but the race is tommorrow, lets see what happens, we need a good start

Edited by currupipi, 03 November 2012 - 18:47.


#4014 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:45

And a few minutes earlier:

#andrewbensonf1
5 live's Jennie Gow reports Ferrari man laughing holding piece of paper in hand

:rotfl:

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 03 November 2012 - 18:46.


#4015 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:48

Ferrari must seize this opportunity! Fernando must be very careful tomorrow. But he can definitely re-take the WDC lead tomorrow. The F2012 race pace is good. :up:

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:48

Ferrari must seize this opportunity! Fernando must be very careful tomorrow. But he can definitely re-take the WDC lead tomorrow. The F2012 race pace is good. :up:



if ever we needed a good start it is tommorrow,

#4017 Jon83

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:49

We've been thrown a lifeline - we must take it though. A complete overhaul of Vettel won't be easy tomorrow but we need to cut the gap by about two-thirds of what it currently is going into the final two races.

Edited by Jon83, 03 November 2012 - 18:50.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:49

Vettel to start from the pitlane. This is Ferrari and Alonso's big chance, P.6 on the grid, get a strong result tomorrow and everything is possible in the last two races. Get a clean first lap then fingers crossed!


Fernando is in a great position tomorrow to close up the gap in the championship. Alonso needs to finish P4 or P5 tomorrow. A podium would be wonderful. If Alonso can leave Abu Dhabi within 5 points of Vettel, it would be a great result.

#4019 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:51

So we've possibly been let off the hook here! What we REALLY need is a good result and slash that gap back to Vettel. If the car is on the pace in Austin/Brazil it's game on again!

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#4020 canaus

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:54

Back in the championship fight. :)
Common Fernando.

#4021 Hanzo

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:56

Once we know Vettel won't win tomorrow, let's get that podium finish.
It is going to be as difficult as usual, but the chance to take some points back from the lead is there.

#4022 BernieEc

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:56

to add insult....this is probably the worst pitlane to start from........

#4023 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:58

if ever we needed a good start it is tommorrow,

Indeed. The start has me worried though.

We've been thrown a lifeline - we must take it though. A complete overhaul of Vettel won't be easy tomorrow but we need to cut the gap by about two-thirds of what it currently is going into the final two races.

If he finishes where he starts the gap will be 5 points.

So we've possibly been let off the hook here! What we REALLY need is a good result and slash that gap back to Vettel. If the car is on the pace in Austin/Brazil it's game on again!


Those two tracks will be better to the F2012 than this one is. :up:

#4024 camberley

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:59

Vettel's been given a lifeline too. For lying to the stewards, both Red Bull should have been given a 2 race ban

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:59

Vettel's been given a lifeline too. For lying to the stewards, both Red Bull should have been given a 2 race ban

How do you know they lied?

#4026 Mc_Silver

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:00

Vettel's been given a lifeline too. For lying to the stewards, both Red Bull should have been given a 2 race ban


Vettel and red bull deserve life ban :rolleyes:

#4027 DaiMOn

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:01

Hamilton was 8th in Montmelo with a less-dominant car. Vettel could make it up to the 6th easily. Fernando can't beat the McLarens and Webber so the best result he could achive is 4th. So if we take the best scenario the difference will be 9 points tomorrow.

Vettel will finish ahead of Fernando in the last two rounds because our car is a dog, so I hate to say it, but better keep your expectations low... :(

#4028 ferrarijon123

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:03

Hamilton was 8th in Montmelo with a less-dominant car. Vettel could make it up to the 6th easily. Fernando can't beat the McLarens and Webber so the best result he could achive is 4th. So if we take the best scenario the difference will be 9 points tomorrow.

Vettel will finish ahead of Fernando in the last two rounds because our car is a dog, so I hate to say it, but better keep your expectations low... :(

Hamilton was in a very dominant car in Spain, he was on pole by 0.5s. Vettel was only 3rd, hardly a dominant car around this track.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:04

Hamilton was in a very dominant car in Spain, he was on pole by 0.5s. Vettel was only 3rd, hardly a dominant car around this track.


I think Red Bull's race pace is the best out there especially they are mega quick on option tyres

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:04

And this is happening when we starts 7th... well 6th :)

"@alo_oficial is still here, chatting to mates...and waiting for a decision that could change the destiny of the title."
Now have a good sleep boys and tomorrow pick up the chance that is given us !!!


#4031 BernieEc

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:06

Fernando should be careful and watchout for Pastor and Kimi.......no point getting a lifeline like this only to get tangled with them 2....

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:08

Fernando should be careful and watchout for Pastor and Kimi.......no point getting a lifeline like this only to get tangled with them 2....

I'm sorry but Kimi is one of the cleanest drivers out there. Pastor on the other hand... :well:

#4033 Jon83

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:08

I think Red Bull's race pace is the best out there especially they are mega quick on option tyres


I think Vettel will struggle to overtake.

#4034 Ravenak

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:14

This does not change anything.

Even if Fernando wins and Vettel DNFs, it's not enough against two SV wins in Austin/Interlagos.

Thus, Ferrari must stay concentrated on their own race, this should not influence them too much.

Edited by Ravenak, 03 November 2012 - 19:14.


#4035 Ferrari2183

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:16

Hamilton was in a very dominant car in Spain, he was on pole by 0.5s. Vettel was only 3rd, hardly a dominant car around this track.

Hamilton also opted for a 1 stop strategy there while others were on 2. This race looks to be a one stopper for all and Vettel is bound to run into the brick wall that is Michael Schumacher.

A clean start and it's game on. Hoping for a Valencia like race.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:17

I have high hopes of the alternator issue returning tomorrow at RBR, or a clash at the start...

#4037 Ferrari2183

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:18

This does not change anything.

Even if Fernando wins and Vettel DNFs, it's not enough against two SV wins in Austin/Interlagos.

Thus, Ferrari must stay concentrated on their own race, this should not influence them too much.

:up:

But the possibility of stealing points from Vettel at a track where Ferrari struggles has just presented itself.

#4038 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:19

This does not change anything.

Even if Fernando wins and Vettel DNFs, it's not enough against two SV wins in Austin/Interlagos.

Thus, Ferrari must stay concentrated on their own race, this should not influence them too much.


This does not change anything? Of course it is different going into the last 2 races with 5 point deficit or with 20 point deficit.
Of course if you say "it's not enough against two SV wins in Austin/Interlagos" then nothing ever changes anything, you could say the same prior to Australia.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:20

Well it seems as though the flight to 'Losing the Championship' will be delayed a couple weeks. Sorry folks. In the meantime, here's some desperate hope to hold onto, courtesy of the FIA.

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#4040 Ravenak

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:20

:up:

But the possibility of stealing points from Vettel at a track where Ferrari struggles has just presented itself.


Sure, sure.

It's a good opportunity, but they will need another one in the future, if the F2012 doesn't evolve as hoped.

Anyway, enjoy the race tomorrow, guys.

#4041 Ravenak

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:21

This does not change anything? Of course it is different going into the last 2 races with 5 point deficit or with 20 point deficit.
Of course if you say "it's not enough against two SV wins in Austin/Interlagos" then nothing ever changes anything, you could say the same prior to Australia.


It doesn't change anything in the present situation, which is:

- Vettel will win every race based on performance.

Although I might be wrong when we see what Hamilton is capable of on a supposed RBR track :p

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:23

Tremendously grateful for this turn of events.

Absolutely no sympathy for Vettel and Red Bull. They have been breaking and bending the rules. They deserve this penalty and more..

Forza Ferrari, Forzal Alonso

Looking forward to Alonso retaking the championship lead

#4043 ultimategold

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:24

If I were Red Bull, I would start Vettel from the pit lane. There is a high chance of getting caught up in a first corner incident surrounded by slower cars.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:25

I expect Fernando a podium finish and Vettel DNF

Edited by tifosii, 03 November 2012 - 19:28.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:32

Sebastian will cruise to the points. Mark my words.



#4046 Seanspeed

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:35

Sebastian will cruise to the points. Mark my words.

I dont think so. The Red Bull isn't dominant here like at other tracks and they've got the slowest car in a straightline. Its certainly very possible for Vettel to get into the points, but I dont think it'll be easy for him under normal circumstances.

And on the flipside, the Ferrari is at least 5kph faster than every car in front of Alonso barring Maldonado.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:36

Hamilton was 8th in Montmelo with a less-dominant car. Vettel could make it up to the 6th easily. Fernando can't beat the McLarens and Webber so the best result he could achive is 4th. So if we take the best scenario the difference will be 9 points tomorrow.

Vettel will finish ahead of Fernando in the last two rounds because our car is a dog, so I hate to say it, but better keep your expectations low... :(

I believe if Fernando gets a good start, and with a high speed advantage, he can overtake Button and Webber and Kimi, too. Maldonando is bloody fast and has the highest straightline speed, so I'm not so sure about him, but Alonso has better racecraft.

In short, I think Fernando can end up finishing 2nd, right behind Lewis, but needs to keep his nose clean and drive like he did last week in India...10/10! :up:

Guys, FERRARI CAN DO THIS! Ya Gotta Believe! :)

Edited by PoleMan, 03 November 2012 - 19:38.


#4048 Zoetrope

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 19:38

Just came to conclusion...

I think Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton all deserve the title as drivers, but since F1 is a team sport, you have to admit Ferrari is the most consistent in 2012. Ham and Vet experienced some cock-ups from team strategy/reliability, but Alo lost points mostly to Grosjean (being crashed) and Kimi (racing incident in my eyes), so no fault of driver/team. Really impressed by the whole team this year.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 20:07

I did not watch qualifying for I'm certainly grateful for this. Alonso now needs a podium at least and also needs to be very careful with his surroundings into lap 1. This is where he reclaims the WDC. :up:

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 20:07

AMuS on the updates, translated from German

The new Ferrari wings are an improvment. But they did not bring FA the result he hoped for. Seven on the grid is a disappointment. The new FW conformed to the tunnel predictions. The new RW however brought only half of what was expected.

FA was on the limit, three times in a row he did a 1:41,5. One can't argue with a bad tyre set nor traffic nor a sub-optimal warmup lap. Grosjean had driven in front of FA prior to the latter's last attempt. Therefore FA had to slow down in S2 of the warm-up lap. But in the end it did not matter. The F2012 even with the new wings was not better than seventh.

Alonso praises his engineers: "There's progress. A thank you for their efforts. Thanks also to the mechanics who worked their fingers until they were sore. Unfortunately other teams also made progress and nothing changed for our position."
Felipe Massa, who used the old wing, went into more detail: "The new FW brought the progress expected from the tunnel, from the RW only half of the expected progress arrived at the track."

Massa explains the fact that Ferrari still ended up behind McL, a Lotus and Williams with the track's character: "We lose too much time in the slow corners of the last sector. There we are simply missing downforce"


Edited by KnucklesAgain, 03 November 2012 - 20:08.