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#1 Red17

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 14:34

Monza??? Pfft, they are not even running the mighty (and decaying) oval.

The real deal is here.
Everything you have seen this year in Formula 1 has happened first in Nascar. Well... ok, Kurt Busch still has not won a Cup race this year but he still got some chances in..., er... what? No more road courses this year? Ah!! No!

Oh well... back to the racing weekend...
The so called Race to the Chase is nearing it's end. It would be a trivial thing if a certain Jeff Gordon wasn't struggling to get in. Some call it bad luck (we know it's you Jp, don't try to hide), but for most this is the drama that Nascar wants. What better way to celebrate the buyou... er... merger with ALMS!

The stage for such tragic 3Rd Act of Greekish Proportions is Richmond International Raceway. Your usual 1.2 km oval, but shapped enough to build a giant greek theather of old!

Once a celebrated hero of his people, the venerable Gordon stands in the edge of downfall.
In the first act we have seen his once victorious horse being stricken by some evil desease. As the second act opens Gordon achieves a surprise victory, only to be betrayed by his must trusted companion Dupond.
His hour aproaches. Gordon is without his horse, without his crest, his people are in dissaray and his peers laugh at him.
Will he rise once again?


http://www.nascar.com/races/tune_in/

Nascar.com already has some opinions on the «Will Jeff make it on the 12th hour?»
http://www.nascar.co...mond/index.html

Jay also has his usual stack of information
http://www.jayski.co...ASCAR-Race-Info
Also in a separate page is the «maths» page. Think about Lewis and those final laps at Interlagos:
http://www.jayski.co...s.htm#scenarios

Oh... there is also the Pony Nationwide Series on Friday.

Edited by D.M.N., 06 September 2012 - 18:28.


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#2 gm914

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 15:27

Red17 steppin' up! :clap: Nice opener.

Well here we go boys! Saturday night comes down to only this; whether Kyle gives an interview or not. You can gather the race's outcome and the final Chase field based on this alone.

He will either dominate as he is wont to do here, or there will be carnage and expletives strewn across Virginia, the likes of which will have you believing Brother Kurt visiting your grandma in the hospital will actually prolong her life.

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#3 Red17

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 15:50

Well here we go boys! Saturday night comes down to only this; whether Kyle gives an interview or not.

Please note Kyle, the mentioned interview is the victory lane interview, as in, you need to win the race. Grid walks don't count.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 16:01

Please note Kyle, the mentioned interview is the victory lane interview, as in, you need to win the race. Grid walks don't count.

Indeed. Neither do grid runs.

Looks like the Nationwide race will be worth a watch. Of course most of the fun will come from those outside the Top (yawn) Five.

Darrell Bubba Wallace is back, as is Ryan Truex, Ty Dillon, Kurt, and Travis Pastrana.
Somehow Paulie Harraka found a Nationwide ride, and Kevin Harvick is at it again to prove to somebody somewhere, something.

And no JWT! (damn)

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 16:30

Greeaat OP. :) Sunday's quite a busy raceday for me, but Richmond's usually worth a watch. There are some big names/good drivers outside the Chase standings this year, huh?

Edited by Risil, 06 September 2012 - 16:30.


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Posted 06 September 2012 - 17:45

It's time. Can someone help out and say who's mathematically in/eliminated and what spots are up for grabs and the scenarios?

This is a Cup and Nationwide only weekend.

Tune in: http://www.nascar.com/races/tune_in/

Jayski: (with count down timer to race time): http://www.jayski.co...ASCAR-Race-Info

Nationwide is tomorrow (Friday) night, Cup is Saturday night.

Your blast from the past video about what can happen at Richmond:

#7 D.M.N.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 18:27

Threads merged :)

Edit - NASCAR added to title, per request.  ;)

#8 gm914

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 18:41

Thanks D.M.N,

For a while there I thought we'd have to pull out these..

#9 SR388

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 18:44

Gordon gonna win!!

#10 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 18:56

D.M.N. is the man.

#11 nosaj100

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 23:30

Barring some catastrophic race event, the final spot is either the 18 or 24. Kyle definitely has the advantage. He runs exceedingly well at Richmond. Gordon has to finish around 15 spots ahead of him to make up the pts (if he doesn't win) just to pass him. That's a tall order given how well Kyle runs at Richmond. I just get the feeling that in the closing laps, Gordon is really gonna wish he tapped Hamlin out of the way last week

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 23:50

If my calculations are correct, Marcos needs to finish 41 points ahead of Kyle to even have a chance. So I guess he's
a) hoping Kyle crashes out,
b) without taking anyone else out,
c) before the start-n-parker's retire for the evening , and
d) then has to finish in the Top 3.

Soooo GO JEFF!! :p

Edit: or he could just win it.

Go Marcos!! :p

Edited by gm914, 06 September 2012 - 23:52.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 00:26

Just wondering how it is legal to throw a waterbottle out of a window...........

Edited by Deluxx, 07 September 2012 - 00:35.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 00:33

If my calculations are correct, Marcos needs to finish 41 points ahead of Kyle to even have a chance. So I guess he's
a) hoping Kyle crashes out,
b) without taking anyone else out,
c) before the start-n-parker's retire for the evening , and
d) then has to finish in the Top 3.

Soooo GO JEFF!! :p

Edit: or he could just win it.

Go Marcos!! :p



Dont be surprised if we dont know who is in the chase til Monday since Saturday evening and all day Sunday are calling for somewhat heavy rain.And unlike at Baltimore nascar doesnt race in the rain.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 00:55

It's time. Can someone help out and say who's mathematically in/eliminated and what spots are up for grabs and the scenarios?


There are four drivers outside the top 10 with one win: Kyle Busch, Jeff Gordon, Marcos Ambrose, Ryan Newman and Joey Logano. If one of those one-win drivers wins at Richmond AND Stewart remains in the top 10 (or Kasey Kahne supplants Stewart in the top 10), that one-win driver would have two wins, and clinch a Chase spot.

The following scenarios are if a one-win driver DOES NOT win at Richmond:
Kyle Busch: If Stewart remains in the top 10 or if Kahne supplants Stewart in the top 10, Busch will clinch a Chase spot by losing 12 or fewer points to Jeff Gordon AND by losing 40 or fewer points to Marcos Ambrose. A win would guarantee Busch a Chase berth.
Jeff Gordon: If Stewart remains in the top 10 or if Kahne supplants Stewart in the top 10, Gordon will clinch by finishing 13 points ahead of Busch at Richmond AND by losing 28 or fewer points to Ambrose AND by losing 37 or fewer points to Ryan Newman. If Busch supplants Stewart in the top 10, Gordon would clinch a Chase berth with a win AND finishing 18 points ahead of Kahne at Richmond.
Marcos Ambrose: If Stewart remains in the top 10 or if Kahne supplants Stewart in the top 10, Ambrose will clinch by finishing 41 points ahead of Busch AND 29 points ahead of Gordon.
Ryan Newman: Newman can only clinch a Chase berth with a win. If either Busch or Gordon supplant Stewart in the top 10, Newman will be eliminated.
Joey Logano: Logano can only clinch a Chase berth with a win. If either Busch or Gordon supplant Stewart in the top 10, Logano will be eliminated.
Two winless drivers outside the top 10 can clinch: Carl Edwards and Paul Menard.
Carl Edwards: Edwards needs to win (47-point win) AND Busch has to finish 24th or worse (with no laps led) at Richmond AND Gordon has to finish 12th or worse at Richmond. If Busch or Gordon supplant Tony Stewart in the top 10, Edwards will be eliminated.
Paul Menard: Menard needs to win (47-point win) AND Kyle Busch has to finish 34th or worse (with no laps led) AND Gordon has to finish 22nd or worst (with no laps led) at Richmond. If Busch or Gordon supplant Tony Stewart in the top 10, Menard will be eliminated.
All other drivers have been mathematically eliminated from Chase contention.(NASCAR)

Edited by Dilla, 07 September 2012 - 01:16.


#16 Red17

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 15:06

Good thing for Kyle this isn't like the NBA, because i am sure he would loose in a vote with Jeff Gordon.
(yes, this was an excuse for a bump)

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 15:46

Only NNS practice session of the weekend is now over. Who was fastest?

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#18 Red17

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 16:04

The shocking part is... this is actually true.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 16:17

Gordon gonna win!!

HA...
By using a mere quote I can do the dirty deed.
Jp

PS.. No NASCAR coverage here in Ostuni Italy so I bid you all a joyous time.
Oh and....GO MARCOS!!!
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#20 gm914

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 16:21

Oh and....GO MARCOS!!!
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 16:25

HA...
By using a mere quote I can do the dirty deed.
Jp

PS.. No NASCAR coverage here in Ostuni Italy so I bid you all a joyous time.
Oh and....GO MARCOS!!!
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This is command control. Our top man Pastor has been dispatched from Monza to Ostuni.

Edited by Red17, 07 September 2012 - 16:26.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 16:28

Just wondering how it is legal to throw a waterbottle out of a window...........

Why shouldn't it be? It's a light little thing. The clumps of rubber that fall out of the fenderwells are heavier and more dangerous than a water bottle.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 16:49

NNS practice results:

#60-Travis Pastrana was fastest during the only practice session at Richmond International Raceway with a speed of 122.856mph.
Rounding out the Top 10 were:
#6-Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.
#18-Denny Hamlin
#33-Kevin Harvick
#11-Brian Scott
#54-Kurt Busch
#43-Michael Annett
#30-James Buescher
#51-Ty Dillon, and
#38-Brad Sweet.

Full session here.



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 17:44

IIRC the Monza banking is parabolic, and races would be seriously boring unless they removed all aerodynamic appendages and let them run unshackled by drag. There would of course be a concomitant absence of asymmetric suspension as one of the effects of its parabolic nature is that you could runs flat out, at about 7G, hands free while your posterior was pummeled through the bottom of the monocoque - It they rebuilt it and smoothed it out, I would expect lap speeds in the 260MPH region.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 18:41

so race start should be 1.15 am uk time ?

edit jayski says 5 hours from now...

so ill just try and find random streams when i get back from a gig i guess..

Edited by pingu666, 07 September 2012 - 18:43.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 18:46

Pastrana is driving the #33 Roush car tonight so he is in a good ride.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 18:51

Pastrana is driving the #33 Roush car tonight so he is in a good ride.

#33?

Rousch?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 18:55

I screwed the number up but not the team. It's the #60

http://www.cbssports...nationwide-ride

"Travis Pastrana will pilot Roush Fenway's No. 60 entry in this weekend's NASCAR Nationwide Series race at Richmond International Raceway."

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:52

Stenhouse Jr. on pole for the NNS race. Pastrana 5th, Johanna Long 8th! PSP down in 24th.

Does anyone know when does this thing start? I don't mean when the coverage starts but when does it go green?

#30 gm914

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:58

7:43pm ET I believe.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 21:08

7:43pm ET I believe.




BTW if you plan on attending the race Saturday night be aware that Presidential candidate Mitt Romney plans to make a stop at the track as well , so traffic and security could be even tuffer this weeken than normal .

On the plus side if saturday does get rained out Sunday is looking better now.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 21:16

So that would be... 1:43 am here...

I'll see about that, and.. see you maybe here later... If not,

GO Pastrami, Johanna & PSP!

#33 Red17

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 21:35

Sprint Cup Qualifying now on.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 21:49

PSP down in 24th.


Heh, looks like she's better off as a road course ringer. Opposite to her Indycar career.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 22:21

Heh, looks like she's better off as a road course ringer. Opposite to her Indycar career.

Short track racing. Whole new ballgame.

Smoke is making life harder than it needs to be this week.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 22:22

Short track racing. Whole new ballgame.

Smoke is making life harder than it needs to be this week.


Weird thing is Johanna Long was at the back on one lap pace (not that there's much in it, 0.5s across the field) but faster in the averaged run.

#37 Red17

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 22:40

Jeff ups the game. Provisional pole.

#38 gm914

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 22:46

Jeff ups the game. Provisional pole.

And Joonyah takes the pole! Jeff second.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:15

Is the NNS race starting in the next hour or so?

Just had a look on MotorsTV who show the races over here in the UK, and they're showing the race tomorrow at 9:20pm start, the only things they've got in the next few hours are drag racing, international karting (France), irish karting then some Porsche series. None of which appear to be live, just highlight type shows.

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#40 gm914

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:18

Hey Paul, yeh Nationwide should kick off in around half an hour. Going to look at my stream sites now.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:22

Hey Paul, yeh Nationwide should kick off in around half an hour. Going to look at my stream sites now.

Cheers. Where i'd normally go to is still showing Fridays content/schedule.
MotorsTV's picture quality is usually terrible anyway, god knows what they do to it but it always looks really low quality and a bit washed out.

I'll probably give this race a watch, but i'll wait for the NSC race.

edit - Found a decent enough link, let me know if you want it.

Edited by PaulC2K, 07 September 2012 - 23:26.


#42 gm914

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:25

PMing you a good quality stream

#43 Red17

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:28

Is the NNS race starting in the next hour or so?

Just had a look on MotorsTV who show the races over here in the UK, and they're showing the race tomorrow at 9:20pm start, the only things they've got in the next few hours are drag racing, international karting (France), irish karting then some Porsche series. None of which appear to be live, just highlight type shows.

NNS race will be showed delayed on MotorsTv, no live coverage.

#44 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:34

9/10 National Anthem.

#45 SR388

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:35

Lets GO WALLACE JR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:38

PMing you a good quality stream

Thanks for that, looks decent
Had to go make some pre-race nachos :D

Edited by PaulC2K, 07 September 2012 - 23:38.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:39

Antawn Randle-El did a great job, too. He's been doing sideline reporting for the preseason Redskins games.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:42

Antawn Randle-El did a great job, too. He's been doing sideline reporting for the preseason Redskins games.

Yeh that was a great Start your Engines

Rooting for Bubba and Pastrana tonight. even though it sounds like he sent JWT on a wild goose chase all day  ;)

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:42

Antawn Randle-El did a great job, too. He's been doing sideline reporting for the preseason Redskins games.




Ugh, Redskins fan!?!

I wondered what that smell was!!




GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 23:47

Ugh, Redskins fan!?!

I wondered what that smell was!!




GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I wouldnt mind, but neither of you are even arguing about REAL football teams, silly American rugby ;)

As is traditional in any nascar race, i'll be asking the n00b questions... 90% of which will revolve around Mr Hamlin :D
So... how is it he seems to be able to enter a fair amount of these races? is the #18 a Gibbs car?