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#1551 Vesuvius

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:23

Good position...but no pace at the moment.

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#1552 Avastrol

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:27

Hopefully a new set of tyres will do the trick. Not watching the race, did he pit for a new front wing as well?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:36

Pace hasnt improved...maybe front wing is the reason, don't think they changed it.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:47

Kimi is always loosing 1-2 tenths in S1, maybe a new front wing will help? :well:

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:49

Kimi is always loosing 1-2 tenths in S1, maybe a new front wing will help? :well:


Well even if it is caused by the broken wing the cost for replacing is will be greater than just sticking with it and suffering the loss in performance.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:51

meh race, no pace. fitting in a front wing is a significant timesink and may not be worth it especially if the damage is marginal, it might even have to be dialed in the way the fitted one is right now. A podium might be in reach come 3rd stint, but it's a very long shot.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:59

Another pitstop that was like watching paint dry, they're shit at them.

#1558 Vesuvius

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:01

we will struggle to keep 6th...there is no pace even with new tyres.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:03

No pace at all. Sad.

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#1560 hello86

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:09

Guess he is not happy with the set-up!
He is going backwards and might finish P8! And am not even sure whether the tyres will hold!

#1561 Vesuvius

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:13

tyres should hold. this is a race to forgot, really poor but it must be because of loss of practise and broken front wing.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:23

tyres should hold. this is a race to forgot, really poor but it must be because of loss of practise and broken front wing.


Guess so! He didn´t do any longer run on friday or yesterday to set-up his car for the race

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:25

Guess so! He didn´t do any longer run on friday or yesterday to set-up his car for the race



well that's what did worry me yesterday..but most of here disagreed with me but I was right.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:44

well that's what did worry me yesterday..but most of here disagreed with me but I was right.


Yeah unfortunately!

Kimi is still third in the WDC but guess that Ham (and maybe Button and Webber) will catch him

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:45

This race went pretty well considering everything that has gone wrong this weekend.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:48

Maybe, but tastes like a lost opportunity to grab a few more points on Alonso. The Macs were too fast for Kimi, so not sure if any more points gain was actually possible, plus he was lucky with Perez binning it etc.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:49

At the end I think that even with a better qualifying Kimi wouldn´t have been able to finish better than 6th

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:49

Maybe, but tastes like a lost opportunity to grab a few more points on Alonso. The Macs were too fast for Kimi, so not sure if any more points gain was actually possible, plus he was lucky with Perez binning it etc.


Actually the Ferraris, Saubers, Mclarens and Redbulls were too fast for Kimi...

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:52

A bit of a bizarre race. People like Massa and Button somehow ended up at the front after the start. I can only assume the damaged front wing cost speed in Kimi's car. He was on par or faster than the Saubers, Hamilton and the Ferraris. In the race, he was barely holding of Force India. Again, lot of hair rising moments and did well to keep himself out of trouble in all of those - Alonso, Perez and Hamilton. I particularly liked his fight with Alonso off the start. Was talking the risk and had to go on the grass. Alonso inadvertently came back to clip his wings. All the fight and damage, was it worth it? I think so, he made up 8 pts on Alonso, otherwise it would not have been 8 pts.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:53

Got his race compromised by another driver driving like a rookie into the 1st corner and taking a part of his FW out, then just really never had the pace to fight. Crazy drop from Hungary to this, 4th fastest car consistently and occasionally worse than Sauber/Williams etc, that's no way to win a title.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:53

At the end I think that even with a better qualifying Kimi wouldn´t have been able to finish better than 6th

Not knowing how much the possible damage on Räikkönen's car meant makes the guess more difficult. But at a first superficial look, I would say you're right: had he classified higher, he would have probably been passed by a few cars during the race and would have ended more or less in the same position.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:54

New parts for Korea. Should be a big boost if it were any other team.They'll have Kimi spend his friday testing the parts then scrap them and give him a couple of laps on saturday to come up with a setup :D

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:54

A bit of a bizarre race. People like Massa and Button somehow ended up at the front after the start. I can only assume the damaged front win cost speed in Kimi's car.


More like all but lost practice time up to qualifying which meant the team had very little to go by on setting the car for tire duration.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:54

I was waiting for that "best car on the grid" race pace but nothing happened. Seriously I really hope they put a lot of focus on the practice sessions and getting the setup right. Can't afford to lose practice time the way they have been doing. Sauber is up there ffs.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:57

....what, faster than Sauber? Yes, indeed Kimi and Lotus :wave:

P5 was possible but not more, could have been better with the alo dnf

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:09

New parts for Korea. Should be a big boost if it were any other team.They'll have Kimi spend his friday testing the parts then scrap them and give him a couple of laps on saturday to come up with a setup :D


Like I wrote to the other thread, big updates rarely work immediately in first couple of races so things don't look so good...but let's hope they work on track as well as windtunnel shows.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:12

Waiting for Kimi´s interview and "reaction" (if their will be one) to the words of Alonso

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:13

Got his race compromised by another driver driving like a rookie into the 1st corner and taking a part of his FW out, then just really never had the pace to fight. Crazy drop from Hungary to this, 4th fastest car consistently and occasionally worse than Sauber/Williams etc, that's no way to win a title.


at the moment Sauber is faster than us in race pace, we have maybe better qualifying speed (depending on track) Williams is also there but has drivers that spoil their pace and then there is Force India that is also on similar pace with us, Hulkenberg has been on Kimi's tail for last 3-4 races. Mercedes also time to time can be ahead of us and are bringing big updates like we.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:14

I think this is the best he could achieve after his mistake yesterday. He drove a solid race but the car didn't seem to have a good pace. Maybe the lack of pace was caused by the the damaged front wing.
As for the first corner incident it wasn't his fault and it could have turned out to be much worse than just a damaged front wing... so I pleased that nothing worse happnened.



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#1580 Vesuvius

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:17

Waiting for Kimi´s interview and "reaction" (if their will be one) to the words of Alonso


I'm sure he will just say "these things happend" and "at least we got some points away from Alonso"... but overally he is for sure dissapointed, this race showed that Lotus really has dropped...and has dropped badly, this was a track were we were supposed to be strong and we were ok in quali but not in a race. Boullier admitting that DDRS or Device has taken resources away from other updates and that it maybe won't be used in races until next year at earliest is really bad bad news

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:24

Waiting for Kimi´s interview and "reaction" (if their will be one) to the words of Alonso


Need to make Raikkonen's post Japanese GP Race comments [split] thread already? :lol:

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:28

Waiting for Kimi´s interview and "reaction" (if their will be one) to the words of Alonso


I think Kimi has more class than to reply to baseless allegations.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:31

Waiting for Kimi´s interview and "reaction" (if their will be one) to the words of Alonso


He says he doesn't care about other drivers, so he shouldn't care about their opinion. :)

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:32

Great job in a diffcult car on the weekend! Keep it up Kimi, the rewards will come! :D :up: !

Edited by bourbon, 07 October 2012 - 08:32.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:32

Not knowing how much the possible damage on Räikkönen's car meant makes the guess more difficult. But at a first superficial look, I would say you're right: had he classified higher, he would have probably been passed by a few cars during the race and would have ended more or less in the same position.


Its funny how things work out, I feel that by spinning yesterday, Kimi probably finished higher up, than what would otherwise have been possible. For example, if Kimi didn't spin, Fernando would have had a better qualifying, and may be have started just behind Kim, and given the Ferrari and Lotus pace, would have been pretty difficult to keep him behind.



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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:33

I don't know about his post-race reactions, but his reactions with Hamilton on his inside certainly show that he has an amazing spatial awareness, especially in contrast to his team mate.

Edited by Wander, 07 October 2012 - 08:33.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:36

For a while there I hoped Lewis would think it was Grosjean he was racing. Then he'd be all "NOOOO I don't wanna end up in the gravel" and yield.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:40

Dissapointing pace from the Lotus, but Räikkönen raced ever so fine once again.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:40

I don't know about his post-race reactions, but his reactions with Hamilton on his inside certainly show that he has an amazing spatial awareness, especially in contrast to his team mate.


I agree, Sky was analyzing that move and Davidson was pretty much speechless at Kimi's skill there.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:41

Awesome racecraft.

I'm embarrased by Gené's comments on his fight with Perez. The guy is a racing driver yet he manages to look clueless when talking about wheel to wheel racing.

Btw, what happened there? Again no kers on a restart? Because the traction out of the chicane was good and he ended under massive pressure.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 07 October 2012 - 08:44.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:46

Awesome racecraft.

I'm embarrased by Gené's comments on his fight with Perez. The guy is a racing driver yet he manages to look clueless when talking about wheel to wheel racing.

Btw, what happened there? Again no kers on a restart? Because the traction out of the chicane was good and he ended under massive pressure.



What did Gene said?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:49

Kimi's spatial awareness and ability to race side-by-side while preventing collisions (even if the other driver is overly aggressive or non-spatial aware of Kimi) is EXCELLENT. It's like the car is his body and he's acting instinctively to protect it.

Btw, I feel that Kimi was 0.4s slower than Grosjean today in S1 and a couple of tenths in the rest of the lap. The setup was apparently problematic, especially in mid & high fuel. He was decent in lower fuel. If we look at the laptimes, its hard to believe Kovalainen in Caterham is just 0.2s slower than Kimi (and it's not like Kimi didn't push, because he had the Force India behind him chasing him down).

Pos No Driver Team Lap Time Of Day Avg Speed Time
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 52 16:30:45 218.276 1:35.774
2 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 51 16:29:35 216.396 1:36.606
3 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 52 16:31:10 216.233 1:36.679
4 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 44 16:19:06 215.920 1:36.819
5 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 50 16:27:51 215.753 1:36.894
6 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 43 16:17:13 215.646 1:36.942
7 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 49 16:26:48 215.233 1:37.128
8 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 50 16:28:36 214.511 1:37.455
9 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 39 16:10:52 214.339 1:37.533
10 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 48 16:25:34 214.335 1:37.535
11 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 45 16:20:03 213.842 1:37.760
12 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 45 16:20:11 213.818 1:37.771
13 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 49 16:26:41 213.566 1:37.886
14 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 46 16:21:48 213.453 1:37.938
15 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 52 16:33:03 213.224 1:38.043
16 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 32 15:59:22 212.717 1:38.277
17 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 47 16:25:24 212.572 1:38.344
18 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 48 16:26:33 211.685 1:38.756
19 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 17 15:33:37 211.199 1:38.983
20 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 50 16:30:39 210.417 1:39.351
21 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 34 16:03:55 208.026 1:40.493
22 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 21 15:41:17 206.190 1:41.388

Lotus will have to better development + setup work if Kimi is to have any chance. Now its even more difficult because he's not expecting an Alonso DNF, but also a Vettel DNF etc. The situation is pretty problematic I think.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:50

Awesome racecraft.

I'm embarrased by Gené's comments on his fight with Perez. The guy is a racing driver yet he manages to look clueless when talking about wheel to wheel racing.

Btw, what happened there? Again no kers on a restart? Because the traction out of the chicane was good and he ended under massive pressure.

What did Gené say?
I was watching the race in RTL and decided not to change to Antena3 during the adds. The Kimi-bashing party today in Antena3 must have been epic... unless, after watching Alonso out of the race, Lobato suffered a stroke that impeded him comment the rest of the race, of course.




Note for sensitive forumers: I'm not having a dig at Alonso at all, just at Lobato.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:53

You reckon Lobato found a way of blaming Kimi for Alonso's spin?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:56

What did Gene said?


Agreed on Lobato's opinion that Kimi should get a penalty because he left no room to Perez, and I quote, "because Vettel got it for THE SAME ACTION" in Monza.

Looks like he can't find the difference between corners and straights.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:58

D:

I can hardly believe you are serious.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:59

You reckon Lobato found a way of blaming Kimi for Alonso's spin?


They didnt talk too much about it, they said nothing stupid on that topic.

The guy closer to blaming Kimi was Alonso himself after the race.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:00

Agreed on Lobato's opinion that Kimi should get a penalty because he left no room to Perez, and I quote, "because Vettel got it for THE SAME ACTION" in Monza.

Looks like he can't find the difference between corners and straights.

:lol:

Thanks a ton.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:04

D:

I can hardly believe you are serious.


I could hardly believe it too. I refuse to believe a f1 driver can be so clueless about wheel to wheel -except after incidents, when they say whatever like Pastor after Valencia-, maybe he just wanted to be kind to Lobato, he can't be that stupid.

If you're spanish have a look, they'll show the race again at 2 pm i thinj.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:06

From here.

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Video of start:

Edited by boldhakka, 07 October 2012 - 09:15.