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#401 SJ Lambert

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 14:54

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You can put it up as you have a copy and..... more spare time than me



G'day Ellis - I don't suppose there's a snippet of Jim Clark in the 49 lurking around down there? Practice day would have been the day to be out with the cameras before the weather turned south, or rather, typically Tasmanian, on race day.......?

Cheers James

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#402 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 14:57

There was one of Clark in the 49 posted several months ago...

It was sent to us by Geoff Smedley.

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 14:59

There was one of Clark in the 49 posted several months ago...

It was sent to us by Geoff Smedley.


Thanks Ray -At Longford? I'll look it up!! James

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 22:53

Thanks Ray -At Longford? I'll look it up!! James


Hi James, the photo is post 231, page 6 of the personal photos of Austalian motor sport.


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#405 SJ Lambert

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 07:24

Hi James, the photo is post 231, page 6 of the personal photos of Austalian motor sport.


Des

Thanks fellas, I must admit I have sneaking suspicion that there are also some moving pictures out there from the meeting at Longford.

James

#406 SJ Lambert

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 12:05

Anyone shed any light on this car (the open wheeler that is, I'm all over the Zephyr!!!)? I suspect it's been snapped at the 1960 meeting, the identity of fellow tending and even the brand of spanner attached to wheel nut would have to attract extra points!!!

I have a sneaking suspicion that it's an early Tauranac car??? (I could well be wrong.....)

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#407 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 13:10

Is it Gavin Youl's car?

And could that be Smeds at the rear?

If so, it's not 1960.

#408 SJ Lambert

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:26

Is it Gavin Youl's car?

And could that be Smeds at the rear?

If so, it's not 1960.



Could be Youl/Smeds - and yep, far more likely to be 63, 64? - One of these days I'll figure out which years Dad actually attended!

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 13:09

I'm thinking '62 or '63, but David McKinney would be far better informed than myself...

David?

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 13:13

I did look long and hard, but don't recognise the car

Can only agree that it looks 1963/64 era, though it's hard to tell whether it's the MRD

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 14:37

Anyone shed any light on this car (the open wheeler that is, I'm all over the Zephyr!!!)? I suspect it's been snapped at the 1960 meeting, the identity of fellow tending and even the brand of spanner attached to wheel nut would have to attract extra points!!!

I have a sneaking suspicion that it's an early Tauranac car??? (I could well be wrong.....)

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Not that it's any confirmation of vintage, but the tyres appear to be Dunlop R5s, which were introduced in 1958 and were superceded by the R6 in 1962, and the R7 in '65.

#412 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 15:39

Now, isn't this remarkable?

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#413 David McKinney

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 16:06

Why?

That's a T51 Cooper-Climax

The other one sure ain't :)

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 21:28

Why?



Both cars apparently sporting Youl colours and are entered under the same number - any one got a program from 63 or 64?

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#415 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 22:08

Or are they Scuderia Veloce colours?

I still think 1962 is a very likely year for the MRD to be at Longford, I thought David would have been on top of that. I have e.mailed Geoff, but when I did I went through old e.mails from him and found that Cooper pic.

#416 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 04:53

Geoff's answer:

MRD in 1962 in Scuderia Veloce livery, as was the type 51 Cooper. Both cars ran under David McKay's banner for a period in 1962 and I have a photo of both cars taken together somewhere, possibly taken on the same day, but I can't lay my hands on it at present. Yes, I was responsible for both cars for a period then Gavin returned to race for Brabham again in early '63.



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Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:38

From Longford Program .......


1962 South Pacific Championship - March 3 Programme lists
Number 12
Entrant - Scuderia Veloce
Driver G B Youl
Car - MRD
Capacity - 1077 cc
State - Tas



I dare'nt scan it........ :up:

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#418 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 10:14

Thanks for that, Ellis...

One thing's for sure, apart from knowing how to engineer the cars and prepare them thoroughly, Geoff sure knew how to make them look good too!

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:17

Yes, it looks immaculate Ray - nice livery too. That tranny has stood the test of time well - not much color shift there. Probably Kodachrome.

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#420 SJ Lambert

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:32

Yes, it looks immaculate Ray - nice livery too. That tranny has stood the test of time well - not much color shift there. Probably Kodachrome.



So where's the car these days?

James

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:19

Hi James, type Bob Curran into the Advanced Search on oldracephotos.com and check out No 6301. Knowing Bob he might still have it!

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:20

Hi James, type Bob Curran into the Advanced Search on oldracephotos.com and check out No 6301. Knowing Bob he might still have it!


If you're referring to Bob "Woody" Curran, he and his son James, have an Elfin or three between them!!!

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:05

And the rest James! I don't know whether he has sold anything over the years but he had an ex Brabham Cooper Climax, Brabham BT 16 (?), TR4, the MRD as shown and the Elfins you are referring to. He used to deliver The Mercury newspaper to the West coast of Tassy for many years with Peugeot 404 wagons - would have been great experience re driving skills. He must have racked up thousands of miles in all sorts of conditions.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 13:18

Hi James, type Bob Curran into the Advanced Search on oldracephotos.com and check out No 6301. Knowing Bob he might still have it!


Actually James Curran reports that Bob had the ex Jack Brabham BT23E and that the only other one James knew of was owned by Allan Smith of St Marys, he reckons that it had a small capacity engine, Ted Forsyth got a run in that car from time to time. It seems we're not a lot closer........

#425 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 21:38

Originally posted by ellrosso
.....He used to deliver The Mercury newspaper to the West coast of Tassy for many years with Peugeot 404 wagons - would have been great experience re driving skills. He must have racked up thousands of miles in all sorts of conditions.


I can understand that...

You had to use them up before they rusted out, which wasn't necessarily an easy call.

#426 Ellis French

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 00:01

I can understand that...

You had to use them up before they rusted out, which wasn't necessarily an easy call.




Morrie Price, a Tas well known 60's Humpy driver #76 also did the hi speed Mercury run from Hobart to Launceston and amongst vehicles also used a Peugeot Wagon presumably for the same contractors. Good practice.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 06:51

Had a surfing mate who had one back in the late 70's down in Tassy - had heaps of load space. Went alright once it was wound up too.
Didn't do Maurie Price's driving any harm Ellis, he was certainly right up there at the pointy end in the "earlies" wasn't he.
I've got a colour slide of Bob Curran in that Brabham at Baskerville in 77 when he and Richard Fleming went off in the Esses. I'm surprised it was a BT23
- anyone know who Bob bought it off.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 07:47

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Finally I get to post an image! (Red No 16 is the car in question). Took youngest tech-head daughter to do it, but its a start. I think what threw me re the BT23 was the side pods on Bob's car. It had a 1.6 engine but not sure if it was a T/C or SOHC.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:07

I'm surprised it was a BT23
- anyone know who Bob bought it off.


Bob Jane, says James C - original fitment was Repco V8.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:08

Posted ImageThis is Bob Curran's Cooper from Baskerville 1970

#431 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:41

Originally posted by SJ Lambert
Bob Jane, says James C - original fitment was Repco V8.


Not another one?

Or doesn't he still own this one?

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:48

Not another one?

Or doesn't he still own this one?



No, but coincidentally enough, James says that the Ex Youl/Curran Cooper and the ex Curran Brabham both ended up in the US being owned by the same guy........

#433 ellrosso

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 12:31

Did James say what happened to the TR4?

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 12:47

That's fine, SJ...

There's a lot of debate over this car (or cars) in the Bob Jane cars thread.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:11

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Few shots from 1968 meeting - John Goss in the Tornado at the Viaduct. Piers and Sally Courage after his win
and Bert Howard in the Lola Mk1 at Pub Cnr.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:15

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Few shots from 1968 meeting - John Goss in the Tornado at the Viaduct. Piers and Sally Courage after his win
and Bert Howard in the Lola Mk1 at Pub Cnr.


And not a Cascade sign in sight, excellent "Courage Day" shot and Bert too!!! Even if they're not all northeners!!!

What's that Clubman carrying the red lantern?

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:59

Don't know about the Clubman...

But the Datsun is Doug Whiteford, the Lotus 23 (replica?) is John Roxburgh.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 21:25

The Lotus S7 is Peter Maudesley of Tas.

Edit..
I've just looked up the 68 prog and the Roxburgh Lotus 23 is Listed as Lotus 23C

From memory the Black Maudesley Lotus 7 is ex Alan Ling of Tas, ex Geoghegan

Edited by Ellis French, 23 September 2010 - 12:54.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 11:52

Anyone confirm whether this gorgeous Zagato Aston sitting next to Bill Patterson's trailer is Bill's?

Don't know what year?


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#440 David McKinney

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 16:26

Not Lex Davison's?

(I don't know if I ever knew what colour that was)

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 16:40

Wasn't that the white one, possibly the "missing" one, which was returned to the UK a few years ago for auction? An Aston expert, or the owner of a Palawan Zagato Aston book would clarify it.
Roger Lund

Edited by bradbury west, 22 October 2010 - 17:05.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 16:44

Could have checked my own records first, I suppose...

Davison's car at Le Mans and Aintree in 1961 was the famous 2VEV of the Essex Racing Team. It was written off by Bianchi at Spa the following year

AFAIK it was never in Australia (and therefore never parked next to Bill Patterson's trailer)





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Posted 22 October 2010 - 19:07

Wasn't that the white one, possibly the "missing" one, which was returned to the UK a few years ago for auction? An Aston expert, or the owner of a Palawan Zagato Aston book would clarify it.
Roger Lund


Here's the only other shot of it - I don't recognize the driver, but I imagine that he was enjoying himself!!! Tall, lanky, bit of a shnoz?

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 19:34

From an Aston website
This is DB4GT/0186/R which was exported to Australia by it's first enthusiastic owner. It stayed in the Southern Hemisphere until the early 1990s when it was repatriated to the UK and restored by Goldsmith and Young, Aston Martin Restorers. 73 GYL as it was until recently registered, was the most commonly seen Zagato on the UK historic racing scene. Many of the modifications for racing have been made easily reversible and include a roll cage.
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Now found this. Scroll down to 0186R
http://www.0-100.it/...zagato_engl.htm
Laurie O'Neil them Hyam and Copland in Oz.

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#445 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 21:06

I think only Laurie O'Neill ever imported one of those to Australia...

On the same trip that he bought the Dan Gurney Impala he bought a DB4GTZ, it was raced by a couple of drivers (Ian Geoghegan was the only one I saw, Warwick Farm, but there was another somewhere) and Laurie ran it at least at Silverdale Hillclimb himself.

He kept it when he sold the Chev, which now belongs to Ian Taylor and he wrangles with the Yanks about its true identity.

Presumably these pics are from '62 or '63 Longford, anyone got a program?

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 21:10

I think only Laurie O'Neill ever imported one of those to Australia...
Presumably these pics are from '62 or '63 Longford, anyone got a program?



I reckon Ellis may be able to assist? Didn't see him at Baskerville last weekend (not knowingly at least)........

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 13:08

I reckon Ellis may be able to assist? Didn't see him at Baskerville last weekend (not knowingly at least)........


Last weekends meeting at Baskerville was superb..

Edited by stuartbrs, 23 October 2010 - 13:08.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 19:43

I reckon Ellis may be able to assist? Didn't see him at Baskerville last weekend (not knowingly at least)........



Sorry....havnt got 62/3 Longford prog's but can probably get access to them.

Baskerville...
I was there all 3 days.
Swimming all day frid and putting up tent.Didnt run the car.
We were in the "Holden Hilton" up on the "dry" bank near the trailers.
Sat /Sun were pretty good despite the forecast.
Spoke to whoever had your Elfin while it was still on the trailer.
Loaned Guy a batt and a charger to get his Elfin running.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 20:26

Sorry....havnt got 62/3 Longford prog's but can probably get access to them.

Baskerville...


Highly likely the Zagato was photographed at Longford in 62 or 63.

Would've been Dad that you had a chat to - he mentioned your name - I'll make sure I don't miss you next time!!! Kept the hail to a minimum on Saturday, Sunday's weather turned out pretty well.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 22:49

Its Lawrie O'Neil's car at Longford in 1962 with Doug Whiteford doing the driving duties.He blitzed the GT record in the car and did 144 mph on the Flying mile. Won the GT Championship to top it off. Shots on the oldracephotos website if anyone wants to see more - just type Whiteford into Advanced Search.