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Poll: Should Mclaren hire Perez, & will Ferrari allow it?? (230 member(s) have cast votes)

Is Perez a worthy candidate for a Mclaren seat?

  1. Yes. (158 votes [68.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.70%

  2. No. (39 votes [16.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.96%

  3. Not now, more experience required. (33 votes [14.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.35%

If Hamilton leaves, should Mclaren hire Perez for 2013??

  1. Yes. (149 votes [64.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.78%

  2. No. (62 votes [26.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.96%

  3. Not now, more experience required. (19 votes [8.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.26%

Will Ferrari allow the Perez/Mclaren move, as he's under Young Driver Contact?

  1. Yes. (94 votes [40.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.87%

  2. No. (136 votes [59.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.13%

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#1 BackOnTop

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 15:49

**UPDATE 16/09/12** McLaren 'makes contact' with Perez
http://en.espnf1.com...html?CMP=chrome

Is Perez a worthy candidate for a Mclaren seat in 2013?
Does Perez fits the Mclaren profile of a great future driver. Not to compare him to other drivers on the grid who are also kinda available to take up the Mclaren seat. In the experienced category, Kimi Raikkonen will be in the top of the list, but Mclaren also seem to have other candidates such as Perez, DiResta & Hulkenberg to choose from who have done well, with Perez being the best of the young brigade. But is he good enough "already" for a Mclaren seat, or does he need time like Ferrari keeps repeating, and get some more experience.

If Hamilton leaves, should Mclaren hire Perez for 2013??
Again, is it too early for Mclaren to hedge their bets on Sergio Perez, or should they choose from a list of proven drivers both on track & off track. It all comes down to character as well. The last time Mclaren hired a South American, it ended in tears. Not to forget the very hot-headed Alonso recently. Different continent, same heat hehehe.

Will Ferrari allow the Perez/Mclaren move, as he's under Young Driver Contract of some kind?
As soon as Lewis to Mercedes broke out, Sergio Perez was called for a meeting to Ferrari. Since Luca made it clear that Sergio needs more experience, it could mean that he was told bluntly that and Mclaren overtures is not going to happen. But his backer, Carlos Slim, seems to have his own way in most things (damn rich bugger) and doesn't look like will care a lot about hurting Ferrari management... so I think the move can be possible. Ferrari may get left red-faced if Mclaren buys out Perez's contract.

If Perez goes to Mclaren, the Popcorns will suffer some mighty shortage, especially if he consistently beats Ferrari on track for some good wins.

Edited by BackOnTop, 16 September 2012 - 15:58.


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#2 ThePum

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:00

Would be a great way to understand the secrets of they're rivals indeed ... :rotfl:

#3 senna da silva

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:05

McLaren should fire Button and hire Perez, that way they'd have two drivers who can manage their tyres!

#4 Spillage

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:12

Yes, yes and not without a big payout. Not sure if Perez would want to move and abandon any chance of a future at Ferrari though, especially with Sauber moving forwards as they are

#5 Jimisgod

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:23

Well, what are their choices if Hamilton goes?

Choice #1 - Kimi, probability 25%, a WDC, he is comfortable at Lotus but the sentimentality is there. Left on good terms as far as I know.
Choice #2 - Perez, probability 30%, he is fast and taking one away from Ferrari is a good idea. Ferrari may block though.
Choice #3 - Di Resta, probability 20%, fairly average, has had his moments but I can't see why you'd want him over Perez apart from Ferrari.
Choice #4 - Rosberg, probability 15%, a winner but has been upstaged by Schumi this year. Was floated in 2010 and 2011 so the feelers are there.
Choice #5 - Other, probability 10%, Schumacher? Sutil? Hulkenburg? Can't see it working

#6 ch103

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:30

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Yes
No

Perez is ready for a Ferrari seat right now so he is also ready for a McLaren seat too.

Ferrari would not permit him to win races and WDC's for their primary rival.



#7 BackOnTop

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:34

Well, what are their choices if Hamilton goes?

Choice #1 - Kimi, probability 25%, a WDC, he is comfortable at Lotus but the sentimentality is there. Left on good terms as far as I know.
Choice #2 - Perez, probability 30%, he is fast and taking one away from Ferrari is a good idea. Ferrari may block though.
Choice #3 - Di Resta, probability 20%, fairly average, has had his moments but I can't see why you'd want him over Perez apart from Ferrari.
Choice #4 - Rosberg, probability 15%, a winner but has been upstaged by Schumi this year. Was floated in 2010 and 2011 so the feelers are there.
Choice #5 - Other, probability 10%, Schumacher? Sutil? Hulkenburg? Can't see it working

I think you are very good at Maths... as your percentage assessment looks very close to the current situation. :up:

No matter which angle we look at, Mclaren are faced with a very tough decision in case Hamilton leaves. No current driver is 100% available/100% Profile match in this current situation.

Honestly, Mclaren can only be 100% sure of just 2 drivers from the list in terms of Performance, speed, consistency & enigmatic Character- Raikkonen & Perez. I can't see them hiring Hulk or DiResta. God no DiResta please (he reminds me of.. nothing, he's that bland).

Edited by BackOnTop, 14 September 2012 - 16:35.


#8 Jimisgod

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 16:52

The way I see it, McLaren will have two drivers of the same vintage if they sign Kimi, 33, and Button, 32, I think their intention was always to keep Button on board until Perez or a young driver became too great an asset to avoid making a serious play for and by then Hamilton would be 'mature' enough to play the teaching role. With Kimi and Button it will all be about getting results now rather than a longer term relationship building thing.

Now if you run both drivers they should do very well over a season or 2, a WCC team of the highest order, while McLaren pulls the strings to get Perez et al in hand. But Perez looks very near going to Ferrari and I can't see him wanting to stagnate while Ferrari hums and hars over Vettel with the incredibly disappointing Massa torpedoing any shot at the WCC for whatever years he drives.

It is widely assumed Webber is out of RBR for 2014, so its not like Perez doesn't have options for the next few years, and if McLaren wants to invest in the future 2015 and beyond they need to knock up a young driver fast with Lewis, 27, likely gone.

If Ferrari keeps Massa for 2013 (and subsequently come 4th in the WCC.... :rolleyes: ) then McLaren might get away with Kimi and Button for a year, as both are good drivers.

Should Ferrari get Vettel, I'd assume Alonso would move to RBR - given the fact Webber will likely have retired - so Perez will likely have choice of an RBR or Ferrari drive. Of course RBR will fight tooth and nail to keep Vettel, and Alonso will fight to keep him out of Ferrari, but Ferrari seems to have some serious man love for the finger, so maybe a straight swap is best. So you have the #2 RBR seat and the #2 Ferrari seat open in 2014.

If McLaren keep the BUT - RAI team in 2014, there comes the question about driver salaries given these are both top flight drivers demanding $$$... if one wins the WDC in 2013... can they keep both on salaries that high and with specific demands? Either way, Button beat Lewis last year and Kimi was leading him most of this year in a lesser car. Having both would be an equally great team and miles ahead of Alonso and his pet brick in the #2 Ferrari in combined talents.

The plan might be to do that and offer a disgruntled Perez or fast newcomer a good offer in 2015 or 2016 when Bianchi, Bottas etc. come on the boil and have Kimi or Button run his last few years as alongside them.

So:

2013 - PER / BUT
2014 - PER / BUT
2015 - PER / BUT
2016 - PER / ? or Kimi? :lol:

Or:

2013 - RAI / BUT
2014 - RAI / BUT
2015 - RAI / BUT or 'young driver'
2016 - RAI / 'young driver'

Edited by Jimisgod, 14 September 2012 - 17:02.


#9 george1981

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:13

It does remind me a bit of the Kimi situation. He was good at Sauber in his first season and seemed destined to end up at Ferrari in a few years. Then McLaren managed to sign him under Ferrari's nose. When Ferrari did eventually get him it cost them a hell of a lot.
Personally I think he's worthy of a top team now. If he did I think he'd be winning races regularly and putting in title challenges.

#10 AlainProstX

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:17

I still dont get why people rate Button so high. That man is not in the same league as Raikkonen or Alonso.

Last season he barely beat Alonso who was in a much inferior car. Button is no lead driver, he will never succed against Alonso, Kimi and Vettel in equally fast cars.
If Hamilton goes, Mclaren must chase Kimi or Perez.

Edited by AlainProstX, 14 September 2012 - 17:18.


#11 Watkins74

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:20

I hope he signs for McLaren and doesn't get anywhere near Ferrari.

#12 Jimisgod

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:33

I hope he signs for McLaren and doesn't get anywhere near Ferrari.


:rotfl: Why? So he won't stop the fabulous job Massa is doing embarrassing the Scuderia?

#13 discover23

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:36

Big culture clash. He would suffer the same fate as Montoya and Alonso. .He should stay away and wait for the Ferrari opportunity ..

#14 Watkins74

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:38

:rotfl: Why? So he won't stop the fabulous job Massa is doing embarrassing the Scuderia?

Yeah....you nailed it, Perez is the only option? :rolleyes:

#15 olliek88

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:42

Can please stop having more of these "should/will X, Y or Z join/leave/sign driver X etc"

Isn't that what the silly season thread is for?

#16 Jimisgod

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:46

Yeah....you nailed it, Perez is the only option? :rolleyes:


Vettel is signed in 2013, Hulkenburg is no better than Perez. Sutil? Jamie A.? Both dropped by teams. Rosberg? Hasn't looked like matching Schumacher since Monaco.

Kimi? :rotfl: I'm pretty sure there was a reason he left.

Or is this another 'I want Schumacher back in Ferrari' deal? :drunk:

Or even a vague hope of Kubica being fit enough? :well:

#17 undersquare

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:46

I hope he signs for McLaren and doesn't get anywhere near Ferrari.

Yeah me too :D .

Merc as a fallback.

#18 olliek88

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 17:49

Vettel is signed in 2013, Hulkenburg is no better than Perez. Sutil? Jamie A.? Both dropped by teams. Rosberg? Hasn't looked like matching Schumacher since Monaco.

Kimi? :rotfl: I'm pretty sure there was a reason he left.

Or is this another 'I want Schumacher back in Ferrari' deal? :drunk:

Or even a vague hope of Kubica being fit enough? :well:


That reason has moved on and away from the race team.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 18:00

I think Button would veto it and get the of course British and also much weaker driver DiResta

Edited by SunnyENTP, 14 September 2012 - 18:00.


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 18:38

1. Yes. I think Perez is a worthy candidate because he's young, has performed well and appears to have potential.
2. No. If Hamilton leaves I don't thing McLaren should sign Perez because I think there are candidates more worthy.
3. No. I can't see Ferrari allowing it.

Edited by bub, 14 September 2012 - 18:54.


#21 g1n

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 18:43

1. Yes. I think Perez is a worthy candidate because he's young, has performed well and appears to have potential
2. No. If Hamilton leaves I don't thing McLaren should sign Perez because I think there are candidates more worthy.
3. No. I can't see Ferrari allowing it.


People who voted NO on "should Ferrari allow Perez to race for Mclaren in 2013" clearly lack in the brain department, I am not going to spell it out why :rolleyes:

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 18:51

Is Perez a worthy candidate for a Mclaren seat in 2013?
Does Perez fits the Mclaren profile of a great future driver. Not to compare him to other drivers on the grid who are also kinda available to take up the Mclaren seat. In the experienced category, Kimi Raikkonen will be in the top of the list, but Mclaren also seem to have other candidates such as Perez, DiResta & Hulkenberg to choose from who have done well, with Perez being the best of the young brigade. But is he good enough "already" for a Mclaren seat, or does he need time like Ferrari keeps repeating, and get some more experience.

If Hamilton leaves, should Mclaren hire Perez for 2013??
Again, is it too early for Mclaren to hedge their bets on Sergio Perez, or should they choose from a list of proven drivers both on track & off track. It all comes down to character as well. The last time Mclaren hired a South American, it ended in tears. Not to forget the very hot-headed Alonso recently. Different continent, same heat hehehe.

Will Ferrari allow the Perez/Mclaren move, as he's under Young Driver Contract of some kind?
As soon as Lewis to Mercedes broke out, Sergio Perez was called for a meeting to Ferrari. Since Luca made it clear that Sergio needs more experience, it could mean that he was told bluntly that and Mclaren overtures is not going to happen. But his backer, Carlos Slim, seems to have his own way in most things (damn rich bugger) and doesn't look like will care a lot about hurting Ferrari management... so I think the move can be possible. Ferrari may get left red-faced if Mclaren buys out Perez's contract.

If Perez goes to Mclaren, the Popcorns will suffer some mighty shortage, especially if he consistently beats Ferrari on track for some good wins.


Just to correct you , Perez isn't south american since Mexico is not in south America ( more like north America ) and don't stereotype Latin American or any Latin for that matter as being hot headed , I have seen many European driver being as hot headed as any Latin ( Hamilton is a good example )


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 18:52

People who voted NO on "should Ferrari allow Perez to race for Mclaren in 2013" clearly lack in the brain department, I am not going to spell it out why.

The question says: "Will Ferrari allow Perez to race for Mclaren in 2013." Big difference, read carefully before you insult 46 people, genius. :rolleyes:

As for my answers; yes, yes and no.

Edited by Kingshark, 14 September 2012 - 18:53.


#24 bub

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 18:56

The question says: "Will Ferrari allow Perez to race for Mclaren in 2013." Big difference, read carefully before you insult 46 people, genius. :rolleyes:


Exactly. People who can't read the question "clearly lack in the brain department".

#25 H0R

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 19:10

As far as I am concerned I rarely find rookies impressive. The last young drivers that made me go "Wow" were Raikkonen and Hamilton, I seriously understimated Alonso. But Perez is another one of this category.
So - bring him on!

#26 senna da silva

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 19:30

I think Button would veto it and get the of course British and also much weaker driver DiResta


I doubt Button has any veto power.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 19:58

No.
No.
And no.
Perez is in deep at Ferrari. The 2nd seat is between he and Biachi. If not this year then next.
LdM says no when asked about Perez, I think he's being PC by not throwing Massa out just when he has a decent race.
Wasn't Luca, Massa's biggest supporter? Depending how good of a wingman he is to FA will determine Ferrari's #2 seat.
Hamilton needs to stay put, and Perez needs to wait on Luca.

#28 exmayol

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 19:58

McLaren should hire MSC for 2013. Many seem to underestimate the pressure of being in a top team.

#29 SNiko

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:28

Perez doesn't have chance to be #1 in Ferrari in next 5-10 years. Ferrari has Alonso, who will drive another 3-5 years and who will be replaced by Vettel which will race for Ferrari another 5+ years. I don't see Perez in this chain. The best Ferrari can offer him is #2 (or even =1) with Vettel. But this can happen only in 3-5 years. Will Perez be happy to drive middle car in common years? Will he be happy to be #2 behind Vettel? On the other hand, Ferrari doesn't want such promising driver to drive fast car. So, they will do everything to block moving Perez to McLaren. I hope Perez is smart enough to understand this.

#30 Clatter

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:20

As far as I am concerned I rarely find rookies impressive. The last young drivers that made me go "Wow" were Raikkonen and Hamilton, I seriously understimated Alonso. But Perez is another one of this category.
So - bring him on!


Hardly surprising when most rookies have to start out in poorly performing teams and don't get the benefit of testing. The teams are much better placed to gauge their true worth.

#31 Vesuvius

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:28

I think it's too early for Perez to join Ferrari or McLaren. He has done some great races and some really poor ones, he has absolutely mega car this year and has been most of the time difficulties to match the pace of Kobayashi.

#32 DanardiF1

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:14

McLaren should hire MSC for 2013. Many seem to underestimate the pressure of being in a top team.


I wouldn't be against this... I've always wanted to see how a Button/Schumacher pairing would work, since the Ferrari rumours back in JB's BAR days.

#33 Seanspeed

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:15

No, no and no.

This is just people once again overreacting due to a single performance. He hasn't proven enough yet to get a top ride. I wouldn't disagree with him getting one if it came down to it, but there's other very good guys out there who I think would be equally deserving. Perez is still beaten by Kobayashi far too often for me to think he's that much better.

#34 sheepgobba

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:24

Perez is a Ferrari prospect and I highly doubt Ferrari would allow and advocate such a move to one of the establish title contender team.

#35 Jimisgod

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 13:14

No, no and no.

This is just people once again overreacting due to a single performance. He hasn't proven enough yet to get a top ride. I wouldn't disagree with him getting one if it came down to it, but there's other very good guys out there who I think would be equally deserving. Perez is still beaten by Kobayashi far too often for me to think he's that much better.


Over-reacting? In his first 30 races, Kimi scored 3 podiums. And he was already in a McLaren for 13 of those. Perez does the same in a Sauber and isn't worthy and we are all over-reacting. Right. :drunk: And Coulthard beat Kimi 'too often' as well I guess you could say. :rolleyes:

#36 BackOnTop

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 15:56

McLaren 'makes contact' with Perez
http://en.espnf1.com...html?CMP=chrome

McLaren has made contact with Sergio Perez as it explores potential replacements for Lewis Hamilton, according to the Mail on Sunday.

The report today claims McLaren is becoming tired of the approach to negotiations taken by Hamilton's management XIX Entertainment.

It now appears McLaren has been keeping an eye on Perez, with the report stating: "Only a week after McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh admitted the team did not have a 'Plan B', it is understood contact has been made with Perez as Hamilton ponders a ₨ 5,284 (£60)million offer from Mercedes."

The report goes on to claim that the move for Perez marks "the beginning of the end game" and that "Hamilton may find his future is taken out of his own hands with the spectre of Perez being courted by McLaren, who do not want to be outmanoeuvred by the 27-year-old British driver."

#37 jeze

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 16:04

Yes

Yes

Yes - for ca$h and thang$ - if they let him go for free they'll have a take-back clause.



#38 HP

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 16:29

For the poll I voted yes,yes,no

If LdM has some reservation, why shouldn't McLaren have the same?

McLaren 'makes contact' with Perez
http://en.espnf1.com...html?CMP=chrome

McLaren has made contact with Sergio Perez as it explores potential replacements for Lewis Hamilton, according to the Mail on Sunday.

The report today claims McLaren is becoming tired of the approach to negotiations taken by Hamilton's management XIX Entertainment.

It now appears McLaren has been keeping an eye on Perez, with the report stating: "Only a week after McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh admitted the team did not have a 'Plan B', it is understood contact has been made with Perez as Hamilton ponders a ₨ 5,284 (£60)million offer from Mercedes."

The report goes on to claim that the move for Perez marks "the beginning of the end game" and that "Hamilton may find his future is taken out of his own hands with the spectre of Perez being courted by McLaren, who do not want to be outmanoeuvred by the 27-year-old British driver."

Hope Perez will read that report.

What the report is truly suggesting is that McLaren starts playing their own games with Hamilton's and Perez management. If that report is accurate, I do hope Perez takes the appropriate decision in regards of being played as a bargain chip, without closing the door forever to race for McLaren's.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 16:35

No, no and no.

This is just people once again overreacting due to a single performance. He hasn't proven enough yet to get a top ride. I wouldn't disagree with him getting one if it came down to it, but there's other very good guys out there who I think would be equally deserving. Perez is still beaten by Kobayashi far too often for me to think he's that much better.


It is not overreating to a single performance. You have merely failed to notice the reaction to his many performances. His podium finishes were terrific and garner more hype, but that is only the tip of the iceberg.

I think Perez would do well and would grow into a regular young gun within the Macca environment. Button would be a great Mentor.

I still say Hamilton is going to end up staying with Macca, so this will all end up being a lot of steam - but you never know.

Edited by bourbon, 16 September 2012 - 16:42.


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#40 olliek88

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 16:48

No.

Mclaren shouldn't hire Perez, his three podiums have all be in out of the norm situations, first the fact the Sauber got the tyres working the wet and then in Canada he benefited from others making a total hash of their strategy, then Monza he qualified outside the top 10 (And well behind his teammate, again) so he took a gamble on strategy that payed off.

Don't get me wrong i'm not belittling Sergio as he is a good, young driver with plenty of potential but he's not necessarily as good as "Three podiums in a Sauber" suggests and he's certainly not done enough in my opinion to be a replacement for Hamilton.

#41 glorius&victorius

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 20:36

McLaren should fire Button and hire Perez, that way they'd have two drivers who can manage their tyres!


+1

:rotfl:

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 20:55

Could Ferrari do anything to stop him?

I'd really like to see him at McLaren, much rather there than Ferrari. He should be the first on the list should Lewis go, if not second to Raikkonen.

#43 Alexandros

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 21:28

Perez is overrated. The Sauber has had the best race pace in 5-6 GPs this year and both their drivers have been underachieving. Why would anyone want an underachiever?

Mclaren should aim way higher than that.

#44 Alexandros

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 21:31

McLaren should hire MSC for 2013. Many seem to underestimate the pressure of being in a top team.


And why not Rosberg? He's beaten Schumi for 3 years.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:21

McLaren should hire MSC for 2013. Many seem to underestimate the pressure of being in a top team.


No offence but Schumi is well past his prime.

#46 Mauseri

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 00:02

And why not Rosberg? He's beaten Schumi for 3 years.

That trend seems to have changed lately... And Schumi is not becoming younger.

#47 Alexandros

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:06

That trend seems to have changed lately... And Schumi is not becoming younger.


Ups and downs do exist, but that's just part of the game.

#48 loki0420

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:02

Three times yes. Ferrari won't stop him even if they intend to which i think wouldn't be the case as it makes no sense.

#49 SNiko

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:25

Perez is overrated. The Sauber has had the best race pace in 5-6 GPs this year and both their drivers have been underachieving. Why would anyone want an underachiever?

Mclaren should aim way higher than that.


Sauber has a nose for a talants. He can't sign bad driver by definition. Nobody knows the potential of Sauber's car. The only obvious advantage they have is tires managing. But because of bad qualification performance, they very seldom transform this advantage into really good result.

BTW, Kimi was less impressive during his first season, but he also had less experience in formulas.

Edited by SNiko, 18 September 2012 - 04:29.


#50 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:12

Perez is overrated. The Sauber has had the best race pace in 5-6 GPs this year and both their drivers have been underachieving.

How do you know that?

Recall many times other drivers crashed into the Saubers.

For instance Perez had no chance to compete in Monaco GP for instance, through no fault of his own.