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#1 Gold

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:08

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.



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#2 scheivlak

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:15

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion

I'm glad about that :D

#3 Kvothe

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:19

What have you done :eek:

Edited by Kvothe, 18 September 2012 - 21:22.


#4 03011969

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:20

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.


Really? I'd be interested in seeing the data behind that claim.

#5 Wlleiotl

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:20

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.


i would guess that this is not the case

#6 CONOSUR

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:23

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Not by a long shot.

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

Pure fabrication.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

Not by a long shot.

[That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.

Without all the qualities you're omitting, speed doesn't mean much. One has to have it all.




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#7 Boxerevo

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:24

Oh no man,you shouldn't... i think it will be removed to Lewis thread.

Lets Vettel be the fastest... i am tired of discussions.

#8 ExEd

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:24

Really? I'd be interested in seeing the data behind that claim.


Would you be happy if he said "one of the fastest"??


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:26

Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.
By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?


:rolleyes:
Wish we had a puke smiley.

#10 Spillage

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:27

Slightly OT, but Hamilton has a far better chance of achieving a 'legacy' and 'global brand' at Mclaren than at Mercedes, simply because he's more likely to win championships at Mclaren. Schumacher's Ferrari 'legacy' didn't stem from the fact that he drove for the most famous team in the sport, but that he won 5 consecutive WDCs with them.

#11 jrg19

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:28

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#12 gm914

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:28

Oh no man,you shouldn't... i think it will be removed to Lewis thread.


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#13 CHIUNDA

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:33

... but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions ...


was this necessary if you wanted to focus the discussion on speed? :rolleyes:

#14 jrg19

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:35

Well Lewis does have the most poles this season, which is regarded as the tightest grid in years.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:38

troll thread
where's that puke smiley

#16 Kvothe

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:39

Oh no man,you shouldn't... i think it will be removed to Lewis thread.

Lets Vettel be the fastest... i am tired of discussions.

:up:

Is it not enough that we already have:

The Lewis Hamilton Thread

Mark Hughes article on Lewis Hamilton thread

Hamilton signs agreement with Mercedes thread

Hamilton replacement thread

2012 Lewis v Jenson thread

Must there be another thread I'll inevitably end up wading into, once the inevitable negative criticisms go overboard.

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#17 scheivlak

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:41

Well Lewis does have the most poles this season, which is regarded as the tightest grid in years.

And the championship standings show the relevance of that.

#18 jrg19

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:43

And the championship standings show the relevance of that.


And what does qualifying show?

#19 gm914

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:43

troll thread
where's that puke smiley


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#20 CONOSUR

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:43

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#21 robefc

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:52

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.


I'm pretty new to F1 but my understanding is F1 is in fact about all these things and always has been.

And in respect of speed, it's actually much more about building the quickest car.



#22 scheivlak

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:52

And what does qualifying show?

The relevance of qualifying.

#23 Biggun

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:53

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.


Any quotes from current drivers to back this up or are you just trolling?

#24 ayali

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:55

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#25 Mauseri

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:55

I agree Hamilton is the fast but erratic driver of this era.

Not the best driver though :p

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:56

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Indeed- let's just say Alonso or Vettel are fastest. Should spare sensitive souls like yourself.

As for the topic....... hmmm. It's not going well!

#27 jonpollak

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:56

What a nice bunch of people we have here.
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#28 Biggun

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:59

Hamilton reminds me of a better version of Montoya.

Very very fast and entertaining but prone to thinking with his balls and not his brain.



#29 as65p

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:01

Great idea for a thread! :smoking:

#30 P123

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:02

What a nice bunch of people we have here.
Jp


Praise of Hamilton tends to bring out the child in many. However, Gold does seem to have presented his opinion as fact so that has no doubt pushed them over the edge and into emoticon madness.

#31 gm914

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:06

Indeed- let's just say Alonso or Vettel are fastest. Should spare sensitive souls like yourself.

Err, I'm an Alonso/Vettel fan? And I'm sensitive about that?

You sure you got the right guy? :lol:

#32 prty

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:09

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.


To see the other point of view, you have this interview extract from some driver:

[After explaining every button of the steering wheel: DRS, KERS, diff...]

Q: And on top of that you know how to drive well.

A: That's the least important part, normally [laughs]

The least important part?

That more or less, we all know how to do. Everyone who arrives to F1 has the necessary or demonstrated talent in lower series: karting, F3, Formula Nissan, in Gp2... everyone won things already and arrived to F1. But then when you arrive to F1 the truly complicated stuff arrives: for a day like this, full of events, things, etc. not to make your physical preparation decrease or make you lose concentration. And then the complicated electronics of an F1 car.

[...]

About what makes the best driver

No, I don't think [pause] don't think that it's possible to evaluate who is the best or the worst. And you don't want to be the best either. I want, or I don't want, that there is any driver in the Canadian GP starting grid, who has prepared the race better than me, who trained better than me, who has seen all the data better than me, who knows the car better than me, or who has tactically prepared that race better than me. That is what I want to achieve, and maybe can say aloud, that I managed to do. But did I do this better or worse? I don't know.


So everyone can make their own opinion about the subject.

#33 as65p

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:10

Praise of Hamilton tends to bring out the child in many. However, Gold does seem to have presented his opinion as fact so that has no doubt pushed them over the edge and into emoticon madness.


A similar opening post about Vettel or Alonso would provoke very similar responses. And rightfully so.

#34 jrg19

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:13

A similar opening post about Vettel or Alonso would provoke very similar responses. And rightfully so.


Vettel got 15 poles last season, that shows how fast he is.

#35 DarkknightRises

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:17

lewis will be remember as the guy who throw away chances for better results althought having a car capable of winning!!!

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:22

I say wait a few years, 25 at a minimum, before we start talking legacies.....

#37 swerved

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:27

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.



Is your Christian name "Comedy" by any chance ?


#38 MightyMoose

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:34

I say wait a few years, 25 at a minimum, before we start talking legacies.....

Not sure 25 years is the number, but certainly seeing as Hamilton is potentially only midway through his career, to begin with a "legacy" statement seems foolish to me.

In addition, as mentioned previously it's not as if we don't have several threads already set up to debate every single aspect of Hamilton so on that basis with pretty conclusive evidence that this thread will only plummet further into emoticon & troll despair, it's right that it's now CLOSED.