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[Gold]

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.

[scheivlak]

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion

I'm glad about that

[Kvothe]

What have you done

Edited by Kvothe, 18 September 2012 - 21:22.

[03011969]

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

Really? I'd be interested in seeing the data behind that claim.

[Wlleiotl]

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

i would guess that this is not the case

[CONOSUR]

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Not by a long shot.

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

Pure fabrication.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

Not by a long shot.

[That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.

Without all the qualities you're omitting, speed doesn't mean much. One has to have it all.

[Boxerevo]

Oh no man,you shouldn't... i think it will be removed to Lewis thread.

Lets Vettel be the fastest... i am tired of discussions.

[ExEd]

Really? I'd be interested in seeing the data behind that claim.

Would you be happy if he said "one of the fastest"??

[gm914]

Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.
By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Wish we had a puke smiley.

[Spillage]

Slightly OT, but Hamilton has a far better chance of achieving a 'legacy' and 'global brand' at Mclaren than at Mercedes, simply because he's more likely to win championships at Mclaren. Schumacher's Ferrari 'legacy' didn't stem from the fact that he drove for the most famous team in the sport, but that he won 5 consecutive WDCs with them.

[jrg19]

[gm914]

Oh no man,you shouldn't... i think it will be removed to Lewis thread.

[CHIUNDA]

... but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions ...

was this necessary if you wanted to focus the discussion on speed?

[jrg19]

Well Lewis does have the most poles this season, which is regarded as the tightest grid in years.

[ayali]

troll thread
where's that puke smiley

[Kvothe]

Oh no man,you shouldn't... i think it will be removed to Lewis thread.

Lets Vettel be the fastest... i am tired of discussions.

Is it not enough that we already have:

The Lewis Hamilton Thread

Mark Hughes article on Lewis Hamilton thread

Hamilton signs agreement with Mercedes thread

Hamilton replacement thread

2012 Lewis v Jenson thread

Must there be another thread I'll inevitably end up wading into, once the inevitable negative criticisms go overboard.

Edited by Kvothe, 18 September 2012 - 21:40.

[scheivlak]

Well Lewis does have the most poles this season, which is regarded as the tightest grid in years.

And the championship standings show the relevance of that.

[jrg19]

And the championship standings show the relevance of that.

And what does qualifying show?

[gm914]

troll thread
where's that puke smiley

Thread

[CONOSUR]

[robefc]

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.

I'm pretty new to F1 but my understanding is F1 is in fact about all these things and always has been.

And in respect of speed, it's actually much more about building the quickest car.

[scheivlak]

And what does qualifying show?

The relevance of qualifying.

[Biggun]

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

Any quotes from current drivers to back this up or are you just trolling?

[ayali]

Thread

Thanks guys lol

[Mauseri]

I agree Hamilton is the fast but erratic driver of this era.

Not the best driver though

[P123]

Wish we had a puke smiley.

Indeed- let's just say Alonso or Vettel are fastest. Should spare sensitive souls like yourself.

As for the topic....... hmmm. It's not going well!

[jonpollak]

What a nice bunch of people we have here.
Jp

[Biggun]

Hamilton reminds me of a better version of Montoya.

Very very fast and entertaining but prone to thinking with his balls and not his brain.

[as65p]

Great idea for a thread!

[P123]

What a nice bunch of people we have here.
Jp

Praise of Hamilton tends to bring out the child in many. However, Gold does seem to have presented his opinion as fact so that has no doubt pushed them over the edge and into emoticon madness.

[gm914]

Indeed- let's just say Alonso or Vettel are fastest. Should spare sensitive souls like yourself.

Err, I'm an Alonso/Vettel fan? And I'm sensitive about that?

You sure you got the right guy?

[prty]

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

To see the other point of view, you have this interview extract from some driver:

[After explaining every button of the steering wheel: DRS, KERS, diff...]

Q: And on top of that you know how to drive well.

A: That's the least important part, normally [laughs]

The least important part?

That more or less, we all know how to do. Everyone who arrives to F1 has the necessary or demonstrated talent in lower series: karting, F3, Formula Nissan, in Gp2... everyone won things already and arrived to F1. But then when you arrive to F1 the truly complicated stuff arrives: for a day like this, full of events, things, etc. not to make your physical preparation decrease or make you lose concentration. And then the complicated electronics of an F1 car.

[...]

About what makes the best driver

No, I don't think [pause] don't think that it's possible to evaluate who is the best or the worst. And you don't want to be the best either. I want, or I don't want, that there is any driver in the Canadian GP starting grid, who has prepared the race better than me, who trained better than me, who has seen all the data better than me, who knows the car better than me, or who has tactically prepared that race better than me. That is what I want to achieve, and maybe can say aloud, that I managed to do. But did I do this better or worse? I don't know.

So everyone can make their own opinion about the subject.

[as65p]

Praise of Hamilton tends to bring out the child in many. However, Gold does seem to have presented his opinion as fact so that has no doubt pushed them over the edge and into emoticon madness.

A similar opening post about Vettel or Alonso would provoke very similar responses. And rightfully so.

[jrg19]

A similar opening post about Vettel or Alonso would provoke very similar responses. And rightfully so.

Vettel got 15 poles last season, that shows how fast he is.

[DarkknightRises]

lewis will be remember as the guy who throw away chances for better results althought having a car capable of winning!!!

[jj2728]

I say wait a few years, 25 at a minimum, before we start talking legacies.....

[swerved]

This might sound overly simplistic but in my opinion:

F1 is about speed. To the layman, to racers at heart in the end game Formula One is about one thing. Driving fast.

From a simple point of view F1 is not about reliability, fuel management, consistency, points, sportsmanship, managing tires, etc.

Sure those things are all relevant in modern Formula One, but in essence the whole thing is about speed. Driving a car to the limit of its and your ability, about using courage to overcome fear.

By that definition (and only that definition) surely Lewis Hamilton is unique?

Almost all fans and current F1 drivers alike agree that Lewis is the fastest F1 driver over a single lap on the grid today.

I don't mean to start a fanboy discussion, but leaving aside his teenage attitude, ridiculous childish off track actions and tempramental emotions does that not define Lewis Hamilton as the fastest modern F1 driver?

That deserves an incredible amount of respect in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of others as to how much weight speed holds in Formula One.

Is your Christian name "Comedy" by any chance ?

[MightyMoose]

I say wait a few years, 25 at a minimum, before we start talking legacies.....

Not sure 25 years is the number, but certainly seeing as Hamilton is potentially only midway through his career, to begin with a "legacy" statement seems foolish to me.

In addition, as mentioned previously it's not as if we don't have several threads already set up to debate every single aspect of Hamilton so on that basis with pretty conclusive evidence that this thread will only plummet further into emoticon & troll despair, it's right that it's now CLOSED.