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#1 RedOne

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:17

Source - http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102796

Incident during safety car period

Edited by RedOne, 23 September 2012 - 15:20.


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#2 GAZF1nut

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:17

Source?
EDIT: never mind, here is a good source:
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102796
It is regarding the incident during the safety car period.

Edited by GAZF1nut, 23 September 2012 - 15:21.


#3 race addicted

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:18

...and why? what for?

#4 Asterion

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:20

...and why? what for?

Button almost harpooned Vettel who was playing yo-yo during the SC period.


#5 onewingedangel

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:20

For Vettel potentially breaktesting/Button misinterpreting Vettels action at the restart.

#6 Cyanide

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:21

It would be very dumb to give penalties to either one of them for the incident.

#7 ensign14

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:21

Biscuits. Charlie went a bit overboard on the Viennese whirls, and thought Vettel might appreciate them. Button went along cos he's a sucker for a chocolate hobnob.

#8 Lazy

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:21

All over twitter, I doubt anything will happen, no collision, race result not affected.

#9 weareracing

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:22

I'm guessing this must be their near-collision during the 1st safety car period.
Seb and Jenson both getting ready as the safety car was about to pull in, they had a very near moment around turn 15 if I recall correctly.
Jenson was then heard complaining about it on the team radio.
Can't think it can be anything else.

#10 race addicted

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:23

Nothing will come of that I think.

#11 choyothe

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:24

A wild guess: Both get penalties, Alonso wins. :p

#12 dau

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:24

Vettel will be reminded not to drive erratically in SC restarts. Button will be reminded that even though you should keep close to the guy in front, there is such a thing as being too close. Both will shake hands. Then there will be cake.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:25

F1 season run ins are fixed to an extent, so I think RBR will be punished because they dont want Vettel winning title again and FIA have been against RBR for a while now.

Edited by ZooL, 23 September 2012 - 15:26.


#14 RedOne

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:25

Can a mod edit one of the and's out of the title please :blush: thanks

I can't believe no one saw this before me on the home page.

Edited by RedOne, 23 September 2012 - 15:26.


#15 TomNokoe

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:25

Would play into Alonso's hand nicely.

#16 w00dy

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:25

A wild guess: Both get penalties, Alonso wins. :p


That would be a tad unfair, but fingerboy behaved like a brat so maybe demote him to 2nd place.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:26

I suspect it will be to just give them a talking to. The driver in front has a right to control the pace, but if he gets harpooned it's not helpful to be in the right. It's not like these cars have a brake light is it?

#18 choyothe

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:26

F1 is fixed to an extent, so I think RBR will be punished because they dont want Vettel winning title again and FIA have been against RBR for a while now.


I agree. So if Vettel doesn't win the title I take it we'll all agree there's an asterisk to it?

#19 Massa_f1

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:27

If Vetter gets a pen for that i may be done for f1 this season. He did nothing wrong. Button accelerated when he could see Vettel was not travelling quick at all.

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#20 onewingedangel

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:27

Can't see there being any penalty, possibly a reprimand, but doubtful.

#21 jeze

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:28

I expect Vettel to be given a reprimand and that's that. Nothing to see here.

#22 TomNokoe

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:29

the thing is button has done this (erratic under safety car) many times and not been penalized, so the stewards can either say button set precedent so reprimand, OR they can say, look its been warned about before, 20 sec penalty.

#23 RedOne

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:30

I don't think he will get anything for it myself. :up:

#24 SpaMaster

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:32

I thought that was a sure penalty. Even very recently they were clearly told the leader cannot change momentum more than once after the SC pulls in. It was written precisely to avoid what Vettel did. At the very least, Vettel needs to be seriously warned.

#25 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:32

Vettels had issues on safety car restarts before....

#26 onewingedangel

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:32

the thing is button has done this (erratic under safety car) many times and not been penalized, so the stewards can either say button set precedent so reprimand, OR they can say, look its been warned about before, 20 sec penalty.


Actually Button doesn't do erratic safety car starts - he does like to slow the pace dramatically before taking off, but there is always a constant slowdown, not speeding up and then breaking - that's the difference.

But I think no harm no foul, it was no Japan 2007.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:33

Actually Button doesn't do erratic safety car starts - he does like to slow the pace dramatically before taking off, but there is always a constant slowdown, not speeding up and then breaking - that's the difference.

But I think no harm no foul, it was no Japan 2007.


China 2010 was still very dangerous.

#28 Sakae

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:33

Nothing will come of that I think.

I would suggest a small penalty for Alonso to take off smug on his face in pre-podium waiting room, and large one for Hamilton just to make him feel welcomed.

#29 Jejking

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:33

Many? I recall China 2010, no other issues.

#30 Spillage

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:39

Surely no issue here. Vettel slowed down but Button made it look worse than it was by locking a brake. Would be amazed and disgusted if either driver picked up a penalty for this

#31 Regiotap

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:40

After 12 years, Button still hasn't learned it.



#32 Fastcake

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:41

I would suggest a small penalty for Alonso to take off smug on his face in pre-podium waiting room, and large one for Hamilton just to make him feel welcomed.


For once I kind of agree with you :lol:

#33 P123

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:43

There's not really an issue. That sort of thing happens regularly up and down the field when the cars bunch up for SC restarts.

#34 sosidge

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:43

I believe the rule in 2012 is that if you complain about Vettel over the radio, he will be given a penalty. Button is simply trying to invoke the "Alonso" ruling for his own benefit.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:47

There should not be a penalty.

There should however be a reprimand. Vettel have been there and seemingly needs reminding.

"Dude do NOT play the accelerate, brake, accelerate game while behind the safety car. Next time you WILL be penalized"

Then at Japan driver meeting tell all drivers.

"Just so we are clear about this, Sebastian got an official reprimand, all of you are hereby reminded and if anyone play this game rest of season, you will get an immediate drive through!!"

That should fix it.

:cool:


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:51

There should not be a penalty.

There should however be a reprimand. Vettel have been there and seemingly needs reminding.

"Dude do NOT play the accelerate, brake, accelerate game while behind the safety car. Next time you WILL be penalized"

Then at Japan driver meeting tell all drivers.

"Just so we are clear about this, Sebastian got an official reprimand, all of you are hereby reminded and if anyone play this game rest of season, you will get an immediate drive through!!"

That should fix it.

:cool:


There we go.

#37 choyothe

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:52

So the drivers should be forbidden to get heat into their tyres and brakes?

Edited by choyothe, 23 September 2012 - 15:52.


#38 robefc

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:55

Actually Button doesn't do erratic safety car starts - he does like to slow the pace dramatically before taking off, but there is always a constant slowdown, not speeding up and then breaking - that's the difference.

But I think no harm no foul, it was no Japan 2007.


True because button avoided vettel unlike vettel with webber ;)

Vettel has another sh1te one in 2010 when lewis had to go off track I think, as he also had to do in china 2010 behind button.

None of which wouldn bother me if there hadn't been so much whining in Fuji when Lewis had a much harder job.


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:56

If anyone gets a penalty for this it becomes obvious its a fix up.

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#40 Crossmax

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:56

I see where this one is going. Button complains in Hockenheim, Vettel gets penalty. Alonso complains at Monza, Vettel gets penalty. Button complains in Singapore...

Please, do hand Alonso a second place. Or why not make it a win while you're at it, to remove any doubt about who is supposed to win this year's championship.

#41 BigWicks

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:57

They really want Alonso to win the title this season, can easily see a penalty for vettel here.

#42 robefc

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 15:58

I suspect it will be to just give them a talking to. The driver in front has a right to control the pace, but if he gets harpooned it's not helpful to be in the right. It's not like these cars have a brake light is it?


I think button's point about 'when you go you go' is a fair one though, the second driver is going to want to stay as close as possible to the first, he can't be expected to be ready to brake when the guy in front steps on it, that didn't look like mere tyre warming to me and clearly not to jenson either.

Clearly there shouldn't be any penalty but things being clarified would be good.

#43 Ferrari2183

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:00

There shouldn't be a penalty but what does this have to do with Alonso?

Some of you just can't help yourselves can you?

#44 BenettonB192

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:02

You can see Vettel slowing down way before Button nearly crashes into his back. Button was caught taking a nap. Bit indecent to complain about Vettel afterwards.
I will be furious if Vettel gets a dubious penalty again.

#45 GiancarloF1

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:11

Button really became a miserable and mean spirited driver since he won his WDC and joined McLaren. Again he is moaning about a nonstory and want another gifted win, while he did the same so many times in his carreer. In fact he did the same to Alonso at the 2nd SC period, but Alonso did better to avoid his breaktesting.

#46 Mandzipop

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:22

Andrew Benson has just tweeted

Big Red Bull deputation has gone down to the stewards, who are investigating the Vettel-Button re-start incident. Something serious brewing?

#47 aray

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:24

don't want this type of drama....don't want penalty regarding the result.... :|


#48 Showty

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:25

There are some clear rules when driving behind the SC, and sure the stewards gathered all the data from the telemetry, so just relax with all the paranoid and conspiracy theorys and wait for the official outcome.

Edited by Showty, 23 September 2012 - 16:25.


#49 fieraku

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:26

Yep Vettel is getting too close for comfort. When I said F1 is scripted a year ago I was crazy,well look when Vettel gets his win taken away ;)

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:26

Andrew Benson has just tweeted

Big Red Bull deputation has gone down to the stewards, who are investigating the Vettel-Button re-start incident. Something serious brewing?


I think it would be a little too much to penalise Vettel. But anyway this guy really needs to study the F1 regulations.