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#801 Jim Thurman

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 19:50

Schedules are based on economics not "ooh I like that track" unfortunately.

:lol: :up: I've seen some fanboi posts suggesting almost an entire schedule within driving distance of their home, complete with rationalization.

Then there are the "ooh, go back to Nazareth!" folks.

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#802 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 20:01

Quite. The reality is Milwaukee needs to be oversubscribed before you can reasonably do Road America.

That said I'm all for binning Mid-Ohio to bring back Cleveland.

#803 Jim Thurman

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 20:10

No, it's not the people outside the series front office that really feel that way. In the States, you get a little more coverage for the race, but it's the people running the series who feel that the rest of the season means nothing. Was the whole reason behind the events in the early-mid 90's. And it's now just starting to take the turn back towards that pre-f'up series. Well, except for the gimmicky of gimmicky Iowa and double headers (which reach back to pre-CART).

Huh? What? How old are you?

True racing fans feel that way, but to the general public and the media in particular, there was no other race aside from the Indianapolis 500. It used to lead virtually every sportscast in the country (well, except in San Francisco in the late 1970's) and get a level of coverage of no other motorsport event in the U.S. For the most part, Daytona was a blip at the time. Actually, the level of coverage for Indy into the early 90's still exceeds what's come since. For crying out loud, the network newscasts always mentioned the Indianapolis 500.

I'm not defending it, or saying it was right, but it is the way it was. There was Indy and everything else. Myself being a racing fan, I followed the entire series closely, the general sports media and general public, not so much. I'm also discounting some provincial Hoosiers attitude of "nothing else matters but Indy." :)

And I don't believe it was the whole reason behind the events in the early-mid 90's. I have no idea what Tony George thought or what he convinced himself or let others convince himself of, but others had ulterior motives and found a willing ear. Some of the reasons he cited came straight from their mouths months and years earlier. He truly came off like a puppet.

Also, you may view double-headers as a gimmick, but in more lean times in USAC (think early to mid-70's), running two shorter races was about the only way to guarantee there might be more than 3 or 4 cars circulating at the end. Sad, but true. Done more from necessity than gimmickry.

#804 Jim Thurman

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 20:11

Quite. The reality is Milwaukee needs to be oversubscribed before you can reasonably do Road America.

That said I'm all for binning Mid-Ohio to bring back Cleveland.

:up: At least the Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport still exists.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 20:27

That said I'm all for binning Mid-Ohio to bring back Cleveland.

Cleveland was a unique venue. I'd love to see it back.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 21:46

Two Sebastians at Dragon this year, as Saavedra joins Bourdais. Good news that there'll be two Dragon cars after all, although I assumed it was still reserved for Legge.

What do we think about little Sebastian (other than that he looks like a South American Michael Andretti circa 1986)? He's spent a considerable amount of time as a backmarker, but is he a Jourdain or a Garcia?

Edited by Risil, 12 February 2013 - 21:48.


#807 pacificquay

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 21:53

Bourdais is Sebastien

#808 Prost1997T

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 21:56

He's spent a considerable amount of time as a backmarker, but is he a Jourdain or a Garcia?


The majority of his previous 19 starts were with Conquest, so I can't give a definitive opinion on him.

#809 Fulcrum

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 22:13

Two Sebastians at Dragon this year, as Saavedra joins Bourdais. Good news that there'll be two Dragon cars after all, although I assumed it was still reserved for Legge.

What do we think about little Sebastian (other than that he looks like a South American Michael Andretti circa 1986)? He's spent a considerable amount of time as a backmarker, but is he a Jourdain or a Garcia?


Saavedra is not a bad driver. Not a Dario Franchitti, but he is far better than moving chicane Legge.

#810 Risil

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 22:15

Bourdais is Sebastien


This is the thanks I get for providing my translation services free of charge?

Edited by Risil, 12 February 2013 - 22:15.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 22:18

Is Ryan Briscoe ever going to find a seat?

#812 Prost1997T

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 22:31

Is Ryan Briscoe ever going to find a seat?


He turned down a few offers, RLL being one, so I hear. Personally I don't get the hard-on people have for him. He had one lucky win at Sonoma last year, none in 2011, and one in 2010 at Texas...2008-9 was the only period Briscoe was any good IMO. I'd rather see AJA in the third Penske car.

Edited by Prost1997T, 12 February 2013 - 22:32.


#813 pacificquay

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 22:48

Briscoe has been a crasher throughout his career from F3000, F1 testing and IndyCar

#814 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 23:40

But outside of Penske you'd take him over most anyone.

#815 pacificquay

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 23:47

True. Fair turn of speed. I'm sure he'll surface somewhere.

#816 PayasYouRace

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 17:15

Legge is, understandably, not too happy.

http://auto-racing.s...g-legal-options

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 17:24

I found 2 interesting Tweets just now..
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#818 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 17:47

Claims.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 19:53

2003 CART race at Brands Hatch was a weird one. Badly executed pit windows that made the whole thing into a fuel mileage contest. The nigh-on inexplicable decision not to use the full circuit, which brings the racing to life. And the relatively crummy state of competition in the series by 2003 -- with the engine and tyre manufacturers gone, Reynard insolvent, and Penske, Green and Ganassi racing Crapwagons -- that was quite painful.

Did anyone from this here thread go along? What was it like?


yep I went along- I don't recall anything about it other than the BTCC was on the same event. If they want to run IndyCar in Europe it should be on ovals not road course as a measns of making it different to F1, GP2, WSR etc etc. But with less than 50,000 watching the races on Sky here in the UK I don't see many people going to it

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#820 HaydenFan

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 19:57

Claims.


Even if her claims were legitimate, that tweet makes one believe that while she had a contract, it was reliant on her bringing additional funds. And while the Jay Penske drunken debauchery might have hurt his team (i.e. only Legge seems to have been hurt though), she still did not fulfill her end of the deal. Additionally, maybe if she brought some results or had a championship past (like Bourdais), she'd have remained with the team, and her sponsor would have stayed on board with her and not with the team.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 20:42

2003 CART race at Brands Hatch was a weird one. Badly executed pit windows that made the whole thing into a fuel mileage contest. The nigh-on inexplicable decision not to use the full circuit, which brings the racing to life. And the relatively crummy state of competition in the series by 2003 -- with the engine and tyre manufacturers gone, Reynard insolvent, and Penske, Green and Ganassi racing Crapwagons -- that was quite painful.

Did anyone from this here thread go along? What was it like?


I attended the 2003 Indy car race and I too remember the BTCC support races more than the IndyCar (or wasn't it the Champ Car London Grand Prix back then ?)

It was rubbish. True, it was exciting to see the cars and they sounded great (but not as good as the then used 3 litre V10's in F1) but because they used the Indy circuit and not the full Grand Prix circuit there was something crazy like 150 laps for the actual race. I well remember the special circumstances where the teams decided to do a mandatory pit stop window strategy to conserve fuel so no one overtook or, as I seem to remember, even tried to overtake.

A bad advert for US single seater open wheel racing in the UK.

I cant even remember who won the race as I left after Lap 100 I was SO bored!!!! :(


#822 chdphd

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 21:53

2003 CART race at Brands Hatch was a weird one. Badly executed pit windows that made the whole thing into a fuel mileage contest. The nigh-on inexplicable decision not to use the full circuit, which brings the racing to life. And the relatively crummy state of competition in the series by 2003 -- with the engine and tyre manufacturers gone, Reynard insolvent, and Penske, Green and Ganassi racing Crapwagons -- that was quite painful.

Did anyone from this here thread go along? What was it like?

I posted about that a few years ago: http://forums.autosp...p;#entry3733997

I remember being so bored, I went for a walk during the race. That's something I never do.

#823 Andrew Hope

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 00:11

Doesn't Brands Hatch have some shitty noise bylaw that says the full circuit can only be used X amount of times per year? I remember something of the sort being the reason DTM didn't run the full track. Brands is a good track but let's call it out for what it is, that short track is weak for anything more than club-level stuff.

#824 Peat

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:37

Ah, it's all coming back. I remember the last race of the day was Formula Renault. Lewis Hamilton crashed from the lead at paddock all on his own, i spoke to him afterwards and he said that the Michelin's they were using didn't like the Bridgestone rubbered-in track from the champ cars. 10 years ago...... cripes.

#825 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:02

That's a creative excuse.

#826 Prost1997T

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:10

Who won that race then? Alex Lloyd? :p

#827 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:25

I think it was a Eurotek car. di Resta maybe?

#828 Peat

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 13:11

Lloyd or Sisley.

Don't think PdR was out of karts then.

EDIT - Did some sleuth work. It was Sisley and Di Resta was indeed his EuroTek teammate. It's all a bit hazy.

Edited by Peat, 14 February 2013 - 13:17.


#829 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 13:17

Ah, Sisley then. But di Resta was definitely his teammate.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 16:07

Guess I won't be following Indycar this year then, nor will many others; ESPN's output isn't worth the extra £10 a month fee, always assuming that they don't withdraw from the UK altogether, they have apparently never covered their costs over here.



Good News..
I just heard Sweeties' Snack Bar is reopening this year.
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#831 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:34

No new Indylights chassis for 2014 as that has been cancelled, of course... they're continuing with the more than a decade old dinosaur

These great news just keep coming and coming. What a pahtetic mess they've managed to create again.

#832 Peat

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:46

But, everything's ok because they are making 'hilarious' videos to get down wiv da kids:



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:58

But, everything's ok because they are making 'hilarious' videos to get down wiv da kids:


"I'm confident"
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#834 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:29

Im not even sure people in Indylights care.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:30

Im not even sure people in Indylights care.

Probably cheaper for them.

#836 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:40

Im not even sure people in Indylights care.


All ten of them?

#837 B Squared

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:50

From this morning's Indystar, 33+ cars at Indianapolis should be no problem:

http://www.indystar....roblem-Indy-500

#838 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:53

I'm working on 34 and 35.

#839 HaydenFan

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:39

All ten of them?


Didn't the new car Atlantics introduced in '06 bring a bigger car count? One would think that it would bring the playing field to equal for at least one season. Which is what Indy Lights needs. Having one of two Schmidt cars and an Andretti car running for the title is going to chase off other teams. It is like British F3. Where you have only a couple of teams making up the competitive side of the small field. And due to that nobody else wants to try.

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#840 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:44

The only Indy Lights race worth watching is the Freedom 100 at Indy as it always attracts extra cars and tension, but even that is badly slotted into the Friday schedule.

#841 red stick

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 18:56

Is Ryan Briscoe ever going to find a seat?

Briscoe open to, well, pretty much anything at this point.

http://auto-racing.s...r-opportunities

#842 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 19:04

Ooooh. I bet I could afford him.

#843 red stick

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 20:25

Ooooh. I bet I could afford him.

If not now, then certainly in three or four weeks.  ;)

#844 HistoryFan

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:44

Who is the Peterson in Schmidt Peterson Racing?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 00:36

Who is the Peterson in Schmidt Peterson Racing?


A rich Canadian who has made his money through many ventures and made 8 starts in Toyota Atlantics in 1991 with a best finish of 5th in Calgary.

#846 HistoryFan

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:11

and his first name?

#847 Risil

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:50

Ric

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:54

Ric


http://www.spmindyca...s/ric-peterson/

#849 HistoryFan

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 18:23

Thank you.

#850 Deluxx

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 21:19

I cant decide if I want to go to the St Pete race or not. It's rather close to me (like 15min away) but the tickets for an actual seat are ridiculous. May be their last year here though, however.

Edited by Deluxx, 16 February 2013 - 21:22.