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#1051 Deluxx

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 18:30

Now that...is a good idea.

Screw it, we should put a consulting firm together and get 2m dollars for ideas that are actually good.
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Edited by Deluxx, 19 April 2013 - 18:41.


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#1052 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 19:11

That's a horrible idea.

#1053 SR388

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 19:16

That's a horrible idea.


How so?

#1054 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 19:35

It's Bristol? They would be dangerously fast.

#1055 SR388

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 19:57

It's Bristol? They would be dangerously fast.


I don't quite understand. They run well over 215+ at Indy. Is the issue with the banking?

#1056 Deluxx

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 20:03

I think it's the massive carnage that would ensue with lapping cars and a short track, rofl.

#1057 Prost1997T

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 20:16

If anything, people are complaining that ICS isn't doing 235-240mph laps at Indy or Fontana.

#1058 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 20:18

You mean tracks that have room?

#1059 Prost1997T

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 22:49

Looks like this "crapwagon" may well break into the 1:07s in qualifying.

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#1060 Andrew Hope

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 23:06

Relevant: Bristol sprint car lap record.



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 00:12

900hp with that aero? No wonder people get killed in/around those things :drunk:

#1062 Deluxx

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:08

Relevant: Bristol sprint car lap record.


holy jeebus

#1063 Imperial

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 14:39

Bad news for UK ESPN viewers.

I just logged onto my Sky account to be greeted with a message that ESPN will end on 31st July. No explanation given, but we all know why.

Looks safe to assume that ESPN won't be continuing at all, our only hope for the remainder of the Indycar season would seem to be someone else picking it up.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 16:12

Looks safe to assume that ESPN won't be continuing at all, our only hope for the remainder of the Indycar season would seem to be someone else picking it up.


It would be up to BT if they intend to continue the deal when they purchase ESPN. I think ICS had a tough time selling the rights to Sky, otherwise it would still be on SS2.

#1065 Deluxx

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 17:50

Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........................................

Maybe it was too much money for them or something. Bah I hate when you pay for a cable sub and can't watch what you want.

I can't wait until that business practice goes obsolete.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 18:34

Fort Lauderdale's been one of those proposed races like Palm Springs that's been in the "maybe" file for so long it's hard to tell whether we shouldn't just rename it the "quit dicking me around and find some real news" file. So I'm glad there's been some development.

Aesthetically the IMS road course will be an abomination. But we have a few of those on the calendar already. The other thing is whether anyone will show up. Robin Miller always brings up how Indy could pack the Speedway for the 500 mile race but the state fairgrounds track across the city never drew shit.

Indycar works well on tracks less than a mile long -- look at Iowa. But Bristol is too high-banked, too bumpy, too narrow. Dover was spectacularly bad for open-wheelers, not that anyone was really paying attention to IRL back then.

What's the reasoning behind not awarding points to international races? So they can only pay freight costs for a partial field? Oh crap you know when sometimes you answer your own question.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:49

Aesthetically the IMS road course will be an abomination. But we have a few of those on the calendar already. The other thing is whether anyone will show up. Robin Miller always brings up how Indy could pack the Speedway for the 500 mile race but the state fairgrounds track across the city never drew shit.

Indycar works well on tracks less than a mile long -- look at Iowa. But Bristol is too high-banked, too bumpy, too narrow. Dover was spectacularly bad for open-wheelers, not that anyone was really paying attention to IRL back then.

What's the reasoning behind not awarding points to international races? So they can only pay freight costs for a partial field? Oh crap you know when sometimes you answer your own question.

Don't you mean IRP? USAC races never drew there. Now, the State Fairgrounds for the Hoosier 100 dirt race, that filled up...though it was probably only about 12-15,000.

Bristol is NOT a good idea. Neither were most of the high banked tracks. Iowa and Richmond did allright, but there was a lot of concern about running Indy Cars on any track under a mile in length...with good reason. So, combine it and, umm, no way.

When they ran Dover the year it opened, it was so bad that the drivers told USAC they'd boycott any race scheduled there in the future. So it dropped from the schedule until Tony Boy needed some place to race.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:52

Found an IndyCar test from Bristol. It's not the new car but it gives you the idea.



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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:18

Found an IndyCar test from Bristol. It's not the new car but it gives you the idea.


:rotfl: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 18:54

I would pay up to $80 to see that!

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 22:08

It would be up to BT if they intend to continue the deal when they purchase ESPN. I think ICS had a tough time selling the rights to Sky, otherwise it would still be on SS2.


So I guess it's dodgy stream time for us Sky subscribers now? Unless BT are planning some stand alone deal with Sky for the sports stuff? Which would seem unlikely if they're using it as a draw for their own platform. :(


#1072 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 22:14

Well that was distinctly average while it lasted. :| At least we got to see it on TV.

#1073 Deluxx

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 22:19

Sigh. I just wish people weren't so greedy. Wish we could just all have channels with stuff that everyone likes without having to worry about money and crap. Nop instead they're going to show 5 hours of infomercials because two people couldn't sit down and have a chat about putting something on tv that their customers want.

Gah.

#1074 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 22:35

Problem is they make more money from the infomercial than showing the Indycar race.

#1075 Deluxx

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 22:51

Rofl, ya honestly. But that's my point... who needs another snuggie

Edited by Deluxx, 24 April 2013 - 22:52.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:14

Relevant: Bristol sprint car lap record.

dayamn
thats scary fast

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 05:40

Don't you mean IRP? USAC races never drew there. Now, the State Fairgrounds for the Hoosier 100 dirt race, that filled up...though it was probably only about 12-15,000.

Bristol is NOT a good idea. Neither were most of the high banked tracks. Iowa and Richmond did allright, but there was a lot of concern about running Indy Cars on any track under a mile in length...with good reason. So, combine it and, umm, no way.

When they ran Dover the year it opened, it was so bad that the drivers told USAC they'd boycott any race scheduled there in the future. So it dropped from the schedule until Tony Boy needed some place to race.



With Pocono back on the schedule and the Baltimore street race i kinda doubt any ovals in the region will be added now.

In fact i cant see much being changed scheduled wise unless a track drops off the circuit that will allow a new track in the region to join.

The question becomes will they even considered to a former track over trying a track they never have been too.



BTW in regards to Bristol let's take Richmond as an example .Nascar Sprint cup in the 125-130 range Indy cars were in the 163-168 range last time they were here. So tracks may be too fast to safely run races on in some series and Bristol may be one too fast for Indy car.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 10:30

So I guess it's dodgy stream time for us Sky subscribers now? Unless BT are planning some stand alone deal with Sky for the sports stuff? Which would seem unlikely if they're using it as a draw for their own platform. :(


Who knows what's going on.

I actually forgot when posting above, that I think Sky currently have a couple of holding channels titled "The Sailing Channel" or similar.

It's speculated this is where BT Sport will go (one assumes that BT Sport will be made available to Sky customers), but the question for us is whether Indycar will be on said channel/s.

The end of ESPN on Sky seems to confirm it's the end of ESPN UK altogether, which was the great unknown. I believe BT bought all of the ESPN UK assets, of which Indycar is one, so remains to be seen whether they retain ownership and show it, retain ownership but shelve it, or sell it to somebody else at minimal cost....which may have been what Sky wanted all along.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 19:13

Don't you mean IRP? USAC races never drew there. Now, the State Fairgrounds for the Hoosier 100 dirt race, that filled up...though it was probably only about 12-15,000.


Yep, I do. :blush:

When they ran Dover the year it opened, it was so bad that the drivers told USAC they'd boycott any race scheduled there in the future. So it dropped from the schedule until Tony Boy needed some place to race.


Didn't know they ever ran USAC at Dover Downs, thanks for that. :)

Last year's race at Texas really opened my eyes when it came to Indycars on high banked tracks. But even if they can put a good show on at places like Chicagoland or Homestead or even Dover, they've still got to draw a crowd.

Edited by Risil, 25 April 2013 - 19:13.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 19:21

Yep, I do. :blush:



Didn't know they ever ran USAC at Dover Downs, thanks for that. :)

Last year's race at Texas really opened my eyes when it came to Indycars on high banked tracks. But even if they can put a good show on at places like Chicagoland or Homestead or even Dover, they've still got to draw a crowd.


And seeing that over times, even the NASCAR races at Bristol have had issues with drawing fans. So would it make money, or even be worth taking a loss for half the stands at Bristol full? One of my favorite ovals was Homestead, and it's high-bank, great locale, decent racing at that circuit struggled to draw any sort of a crowd.

#1081 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:09

Servia probably won't be racing after Indy

#1082 Deluxx

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:21

:/

#1083 billm99uk

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:44

Who knows what's going on.

I actually forgot when posting above, that I think Sky currently have a couple of holding channels titled "The Sailing Channel" or similar.

It's speculated this is where BT Sport will go (one assumes that BT Sport will be made available to Sky customers), but the question for us is whether Indycar will be on said channel/s.

The end of ESPN on Sky seems to confirm it's the end of ESPN UK altogether, which was the great unknown. I believe BT bought all of the ESPN UK assets, of which Indycar is one, so remains to be seen whether they retain ownership and show it, retain ownership but shelve it, or sell it to somebody else at minimal cost....which may have been what Sky wanted all along.


Mmm... cheaper for me if they offload it to Sky, but a bit of a pain for those who've got BT vision. Then again, who has BT vision yet?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 14:04

Servia probably won't be racing after Indy


Well I'm more concerned about a team folding than for Indycar's Nick Heidfeld.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 14:20

DRR always do a pretty good job(at least it looks like they do) having lots of part-time sponsors, so I'm surprised they're at the end of the rope post-Indy.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:22

Seeing as they attempted a quasi-merger with Panther Racing last year, you knew something was wrong, or at least off. Wonder how much losing Wilson (or the details behind him leaving) effected the team.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:28

I thought they merged with Panther to get the engine contract to get out of the Lotus deal.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:34

I thought they merged with Panther to get the engine contract to get out of the Lotus deal.


Yeah, that was the deal, but seeing that they are still together, and running the name Panther DRR, says something to me that they wanted a partnership more than an engine deal.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 18:48

Well, looks like the smoke was not totally made up:
Ecclestone confirms Long Beach talks

#1090 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 18:56

I'm going to call up Chip Ganassi and ask him what his plans are when Franchitti's contract expires and let him know that I am interested.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 18:59

Meanwhile, up to 30 confirmed for Indy at the moment with a third Coyne car for Pippa. http://www.autosport...t.php/id/107118

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:05

What I'm thinking about: Why are there no Giuseppe Ciprianis and Michele La Rosas from Auto GP who join Indy 500? They are Gentleman driver but especially Cipriani is not that bad. And Coloni who organises Auto GP was in talks for a IndyCar team...
Are there no American Gentleman drivers like Cipriani? Who perhaps raced old F1 cars from the 90s or old IndyCars?
Does a Indy 500 starter need any qualifications which Cipriani not had like F1 superlicence?

#1093 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:09

No but you need funding and to be pretty quick. And you also have to want to race there, something Cipriani may not be interested in.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:11

Does a Indy 500 starter need any qualifications which Cipriani not had like F1 superlicence?


Not necessarily, but you do have to be within 105% of the race pace during the race itself, or you get blackflagged for being too slow, as the Lotus-powered cars were last year. Also, if you are a newbie, you have to pass through rookie orientation and achieve a certain target lap speed so that the race officials allow you to actually go out and qualify.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:12

American guys like Zak Brown for example...

Such involvement make no sense in time when there were more than 80 entries, but no, with perhaps not a full grid with 33 people everyone would qualify for the race and guys like Cipriani and Brown would not be that much slower than drivers like Pippa Mann...

#1096 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:13

Well Zak Brown only races occasionally and I think he understands he wouldn't be competitive, and I'm not sure Cipriani would be either.

But it's like asking why Michael Schumacher doesn't enter. Because he doesn't want to.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:23

What's Marty Roth doing these days?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:28

But it's like asking why Michael Schumacher doesn't enter. Because he doesn't want to.

Which begs the question: Why is no one interested now? Has the Indy 500 fallen so flat that no one cares about anymore?

Edited by Red17, 30 April 2013 - 19:28.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 19:34

Because some no-name in Europe doesn't want to drop a million of his own money to get lapped?

Yeah it's fallen, but not for that reason :p

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 21:43

Meanwhile, up to 30 confirmed for Indy at the moment with a third Coyne car for Pippa. http://www.autosport...t.php/id/107118


According to this it's 31 with Mann.

http://www.indystar....onth-s-Indy-500