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#1101 Deluxx

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 23:05

This is Indycar's management every year

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#1102 Lemnpiper

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:33

This is Indycar's management every year



1 hour and 22 minutes of that????????

Was last year's version "I Drove the Lotus "




BTW what happened to Jean Alesi's plan to return for a 2nd year at Indy ?

#1103 HistoryFan

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:37

He retired from active racing.

#1104 Pikachu Racing

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:59

I love to see Kentucky back on the schedule in the future. Another one is Chicagoland

#1105 MightyMoose

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:39

I'm going to call up Chip Ganassi and ask him what his plans are when Franchitti's contract expires and let him know that I am interested.

On this line of thought, anyone else believe that Dario is close to announcing his retirement, I just don't think he's "on it" right now. Obvious reasons as to why, but I think Indy is going to be the decisive race for him, a poor show there and I think it's pretty inevitable he's on his way.

#1106 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:52

He's been an "Indycar" driver since 1997 and has enjoyed massive success in championships and Indy 500s. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on soon. It's not like he's got anything left to prove.

#1107 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 13:02

I think he's racing because he enjoys it, he's competitive, and it pays well.

And is competitive, he just took pole remember. Ganassi are still getting their head around the new car and this year is an all new tire so people are all over the place. Ganassi/Franchitti are much better off this year than last, so far. As is Honda.

#1108 HaydenFan

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 13:03

He's been an "Indycar" driver since 1997 and has enjoyed massive success in championships and Indy 500s. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on soon. It's not like he's got anything left to prove.


What would he do then? Sports cars? A full time seat in those cars just doesn't seem to fit him, and NASCAR was a failure, and I doubt he would go to Europe for DTM or WTCC.

^^^^ Like Ross said, if he's competitive, he'll stay. He probably has looked at Kanaan and the struggles of the last few years at KVRT, and might even be willing for a pay cut to stay with a top team like Ganassi.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 15:08

What would he do then? Sports cars? A full time seat in those cars just doesn't seem to fit him, and NASCAR was a failure, and I doubt he would go to Europe for DTM or WTCC.

^^^^ Like Ross said, if he's competitive, he'll stay. He probably has looked at Kanaan and the struggles of the last few years at KVRT, and might even be willing for a pay cut to stay with a top team like Ganassi.

I think he'd be great with something in show business. Maybe some guest announcing and a show or something.

#1110 Xpat

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 15:30

I suspect he wants to be mentioned with Al Unser, Rick Mears, and AJ Foyt.

My guess is he'll try for that for a while to come regardless of if continues to drive full time.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 15:33

More on entries. Or more of the same on entries.

http://www.indystar....ticipation-list

#1112 Red17

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:01

What would he do then? Sports cars? A full time seat in those cars just doesn't seem to fit him, and NASCAR was a failure, and I doubt he would go to Europe for DTM or WTCC.

Dario has already raced in DTM as part of the Mercedes junior team, I very much doubt he wants to repeat that. WTCC is still trying to sort itself out and still has a lot to do in reputation.
Sportscars tho is a big possibility if the rumoured invitation for Daytona prototypes to race at Lemans materializes.

#1113 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:41

What would he do then? Sports cars? A full time seat in those cars just doesn't seem to fit him, and NASCAR was a failure, and I doubt he would go to Europe for DTM or WTCC.

^^^^ Like Ross said, if he's competitive, he'll stay. He probably has looked at Kanaan and the struggles of the last few years at KVRT, and might even be willing for a pay cut to stay with a top team like Ganassi.


I'm not trying to guess his motivation. I simply wouldn't be surprised if he did call it a day at the end of the year. Neither would I be surprised to see him continue, but if he did retire, I'd not be thinking "so soon?"

#1114 Risil

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:52

this year is an all new tire so people are all over the place.


Interesting news in this regard, apparently they're running the 2012-spec tyre in Sao Paulo. Might see a slightly different order of competitiveness -- although laptimes are so close in Indycar it's difficult to tell who's struggling and who's just being unlucky with qualifying and race strategy. By all accounts Dragon, who were very quick with Bourdais last season but have been slower than dog poop (thx Sean Speed) this year will be the team to watch.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 21:19

When I spoke to Dario last November he said he wants to keep racing IndyCars for as long as he's competitive and after that he wants to race at the Le Mans 24 Hours with his brother.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:26

INDYCAR: Townsend Bell, Buddy Rice Push Indy 500 Entries To 33

Count, Car No, Driver, Engine, Entrant
1 1 Ryan Hunter-Reay Chevrolet Andretti Autosport
2 2 AJ Allmendinger ® Chevrolet Team Penske
3 3 Helio Castroneves Chevrolet Team Penske
4 4 JR Hildebrand Chevrolet Panther Racing
5 NA Townsend Bell Chevrolet Panther Racing
6 5 E.J. Viso Chevrolet Team Venezuela/Andretti Autosport/HVM
7 6 Sebastian Saavedra Chevrolet Dragon Racing
8 7 Sebastien Bourdais Chevrolet Dragon Racing
9 8 Ryan Briscoe Honda Target Chip Ganassi Racing
10 9 Scott Dixon Honda Target Chip Ganassi Racing
11 10 Dario Franchitti Honda Target Chip Ganassi Racing
12 11 Tony Kanaan Chevrolet KV Racing Technology
13 12 Will Power Chevrolet Team Penske
14 14 Takuma Sato Honda A.J. Foyt Enterprises
15 15 Graham Rahal Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing
16 16 James Jakes Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing
17 18 Ana Beatriz Honda Dale Coyne Racing
18 NA Michel Jourdain Jr. Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing
19 19 Justin Wilson Honda Dale Coyne Racing
20 NA Pippa Mann Honda Dale Coyne Racing
21 20 Ed Carpenter Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing
22 22 Oriol Servia Chevrolet Panther DRR
23 25 Marco Andretti Chevrolet Andretti Autosport
24 26 Carlos Munoz ® Chevrolet Andretti Autosport
25 27 James Hinchcliffe Chevrolet Andretti Autosport
26 41 Conor Daly ® Honda A.J. Foyt Enterprises
27 55 Tristan Vautier ® Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports
28 NA Buddy Rice Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports
29 67 Josef Newgarden Honda Sarah Fisher Hartman Racing
30 77 Simon Pagenaud Honda Schmidt Hamilton Motorsports
31 78 Simona de Silvestro Chevrolet KV Racing Technology
32 83 Charlie Kimball Honda Novo Nordisk Chip Ganassi Racing
33 98 Alex Tagliani Honda Bryan Herta Autosport w/Curb-Agajanian
34 TBD Bryan Clauson TBD TBD
35 TBD Jay Howard TBD TBD
36 TBD Buddy Lazier TBD TBD




Kurt Busch To Test IndyCar Next Week At IMS

Kurt Busch will test an Indy car for Andretti Autosport at Indianapolis Motor Speedway next week.

The 2004 NASCAR champion was at Indy this week testing tires for Goodyear with NASCAR team Furniture Row Racing. An agreement was apparently made with Michael Andretti to return next Thursday and turn laps at the famed speedway two days before the track opens for Indianapolis 500 practice.


Edited by Fulcrum, 04 May 2013 - 07:28.


#1117 teejay

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 09:53

Nice sneaky data gathe... err publicity for Andretti?

#1118 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:58

Im really excited about that.

#1119 Xpat

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 13:21

Not sure this "idea" has been discussed.

http://auto-racing.s...-is-a-bad-idea/

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#1120 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 14:12

It'd have the same problem as F1. It'd look completely barren and is a not a great road course. The only logic I could see is if any Indy500/Brickyard 400 ticket holders got free admission, you might get some full grandstands.

#1121 Xpat

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 18:05

It'd have the same problem as F1. It'd look completely barren and is a not a great road course. The only logic I could see is if any Indy500/Brickyard 400 ticket holders got free admission, you might get some full grandstands.


The only part of the road course put in in 1998-99 that was any good was the part that had been put in in 1909.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 18:57

The only part of the road course put in in 1998-99 that was any good was the part that had been put in in 1909.


Any of these tickle your fancy?

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Thanks to Atlas F1 mighty man of old, Don Capps.

#1123 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 18:59

With the right kind of car that might race well....

#1124 Deluxx

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 19:02

god thats beautiful.

Why are they even talking about an indy road course? There are so many other road circuits that are better that would draw more.

#1125 HaydenFan

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:21

god thats beautiful.

Why are they even talking about an indy road course? There are so many other road circuits that are better that would draw more.


Cost. Like the article said, the teams seem interested because they are quickly coming across as increasingly lazy and unwilling to travel outside the Midwest. Or IMS are the only people willing to pay the sanctioning fee, which for them is probably waived. Portland, Road America, Watkins Glen, Laguna Seca, all great venues that have single seater history that are not on the schedule for reason's only IndyCar can explain.

#1126 Deluxx

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:33

Yeah but that's just dumb no one likes the road course of indy, lol.

#1127 Xpat

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:10

god thats beautiful.

Why are they even talking about an indy road course? There are so many other road circuits that are better that would draw more.


As dull as the Indy road course is it would out draw any of those other race tracks.

#1128 HaydenFan

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:59

Yeah but that's just dumb no one likes the road course of indy, lol.


Like I said, I think the IndyCar team's/management are just lazy. Wouldn't be popular to anyone, but it doesn't cost a dime to operate for really anyone. I'm not a supporter, just providing the sole reason why anyone would find it appealing to run.

#1129 Deluxx

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 04:01

Yeah I know xD I guess it's just typical ICS >_<

#1130 Fulcrum

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:06

Jake Query tweet:

Entry List for 97th Running of #Indy500 expected to be released tomorrow. It will include more than 33 drivers.


:up:

#1131 Victor_RO

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 14:20

Jake Query tweet:


:up:


And the god of the 500 decreed "Let there be bumping." :smoking:

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 14:46

What's this pacer lights system that Unser used to abuse and how did he abuse it to his advantage?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 14:53

What's this pacer lights system that Unser used to abuse and how did he abuse it to his advantage?


Something to do with how they neutralized the field under yellow before the days of a pace-car-turned-Safety-Car, I believe drivers were shown numbers indicating how far they were from the car in front, and they had to keep seeing the same number at all the posts around the circuit. Someone else with more knowledge of Indy history will correct me I'm sure.

#1134 X61

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 15:39

Hopefully there will be more than 33, will make the month of May much more interesting.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 16:10

Something to do with how they neutralized the field under yellow before the days of a pace-car-turned-Safety-Car, I believe drivers were shown numbers indicating how far they were from the car in front, and they had to keep seeing the same number at all the posts around the circuit. Someone else with more knowledge of Indy history will correct me I'm sure.

Thanks. So the point is that under caution, a 5 second gap doesn't become a .1 second gap, that's actually pretty novel. But I'm trying to figure out how one guy abused it. From what Miller said, Unser used it to gain POSITIONS, not just erase gaps, so I'm trying to figure out how the system was game-able in that way.

#1136 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 16:18

Yeah, because wouldn't everyone see the same number? If you tried it in 2013 you could program it so each driver only saw their own data, but back then?

#1137 Deluxx

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 16:41

Maybe they knew how far back they were going to be? And Maintain a gap but have a faster speed or some shit? I donno

#1138 Xpat

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 16:38

Entry list.

http://www.indystar....s-named-33-cars

#1139 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 16:45

Well that's kind of underwhelming.

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#1140 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 16:47

Wouldn't it be easier to just put a (T) next to entries that have a T car? Would cut down on the needless repetition.

So aside from a number for Pippa and a driver for No.40, anything else expected to materialise?

Shouldn't the note at the bottom say DW12 not IR-12?

Kinda weird to think of AJA as a rookie at Indy given his extensive OW experience. Still it's his first time in the race I suppose.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 08 May 2013 - 16:49.


#1141 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 16:51

40 is for...a Buddy I think. Lazier or Rice.

#1142 Jim Thurman

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:04

Yeah, because wouldn't everyone see the same number? If you tried it in 2013 you could program it so each driver only saw their own data, but back then?

Now, here we go...someone writes something and everyone goes with it and it becomes distorted outta all shape. That's the thing about the internets messages boards (sic). Everyone's an expert...about things they don't know :)

No numbers were displayed, so get that out of your heads right now. A series of lights were flashed, not numbers. If a driver saw the light at each station, he was in proper position. Prior to 1972, an honor system was used (I know, hard to believe).

I don't recall for certain how it was that the lights were abused. One thing drivers found was they could accelerate down the pit lane - no speed limits then - and gain more ground. I think that might be the reference to what Bobby Unser did.

Have you Googled it, or searched for it?

Edited by Jim Thurman, 08 May 2013 - 17:11.


#1143 Jim Thurman

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:09

Thanks. So the point is that under caution, a 5 second gap doesn't become a .1 second gap, that's actually pretty novel. But I'm trying to figure out how one guy abused it. From what Miller said, Unser used it to gain POSITIONS, not just erase gaps, so I'm trying to figure out how the system was game-able in that way.

Why don't you just send Robin Miller an e-mail for an explanation? Ask "What were these pacer lights? How were they supposed to work and how did Bobby Unser abuse them?"

He'd enjoy that one :) ...and you'd be educating other newer fans. Win, win :)

Edited by Jim Thurman, 08 May 2013 - 17:10.


#1144 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:10

Oh, so they flashed lights at individual drivers to tell them whether they were in the correct order or not? Like uhm, flag signals.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:14

40 is for...a Buddy I think. Lazier or Rice.


Of course. You can't have a 500 without someone named Buddy in the field. :p

#1146 Jim Thurman

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:14

Oh, so they flashed lights at individual drivers to tell them whether they were in the correct order or not? Like uhm, flag signals.

Essentially a series of automatic lights set to maintain the gaps. Overly complicated and flawed. But, used from 1972 through 1979. Eh, well intentioned. The old honor system was like that. Sometimes, someone in the pits would notice the second place driver creeping up and complain to the chief steward. The flagman (still trackside then), would warn the offending driver. Yet, everyone did it to a degree, some more than others.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:15

The PACER system featured a series of eight message panels situated around the track at equal intervals. They were programmed to enforce an 80 mph speed limit during caution periods. Drivers were instructed to hold their position under yellow, and each message board around the track would display a number from 1 to 9, illustrating the gap between themselves and the car in front of him. The goal and the requirement was to keep the numbers consistent around the entire circuit. For instance, if a driver saw a "7" on the first board he passed, he was to drive at such a speed that would display a "7" at all of the boards around the circuit. If he saw a "6" on the next board, it illustrated that he was going too fast, and he would have to slow down a bit. If it displayed an "8" on the next board, that meant he was driving too slow, and needed to speed up slightly


Okay, let's rewrite history for a moment. Jim's a bit younger, I'm a bit older, we're both racing at Indy in the 70s. We haven't managed to kill ourselves or each other in some hilarious warm-up lap incident.

But if I'm driving along after an accident, how does the board know whether to show ME a 6 or a 7? Is it basically a speed camera like on the highway that tells you how fast you're going in a construction zone? So it calculates "The car approaching is doing X mph, show him number Y on the board"?

The explanation in a newspaper from the time is even less clear http://news.google.c...A...pacer&hl=en

:lol:

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:26

Okay, let's rewrite history for a moment. Jim's a bit younger, I'm a bit older, we're both racing at Indy in the 70s. We haven't managed to kill ourselves or each other in some hilarious warm-up lap incident.

But if I'm driving along after an accident, how does the board know whether to show ME a 6 or a 7? Is it basically a speed camera like on the highway that tells you how fast you're going in a construction zone? So it calculates "The car approaching is doing X mph, show him number Y on the board"?

The explanation in a newspaper from the time is even less clear http://news.google.c...A...pacer&hl=en

:lol:

First, where did you find the Pacer Light explanation Ross? Apologies Victor, I forgot about the numbers :blush: I'm not sure what they used to set the system, since it pre-dated even the Commodore 64 :lol:

Newspapers have always been clueless about auto racing. The exceptions being the few that actually had a racing writer, like the Los Angeles Times (or the very rare case where a sportswriter actually liked racing). Even the AP wire service "auto racing reporter" was often hilariously off and showed few signs he knew anything.

I don't recall warm-up lap incidents in the 70s. 1957, yeah, all to show off the new "pit wall" ...and the early IRL era, sure :D

#1149 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 17:32

We'd have been like Mansell and Vitolo. But a lot slower. A lot.

http://en.wikipedia....ER_Light_System

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 18:43

I think we're delving a bit too much in solely-Indy-500 discussion with this subject... will whoever is responsible for the Indy 500 thread this year stand up and create it? :) There's only two days until practice starts.