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#1451 Prost1997T

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 22:24

http://www.indystar....xt|IndyStar.com

 

2014 May Indy road course race. 

 

meh  :well:

 

It's possible the attendance will reflect over-saturating the market, on the other hand the course will probably race better with the upgrades. The feeder series will get another quality track added to their schedules, which is a good thing regardless of the Indycar headliner.



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#1452 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 22:36

This is my perplexed face.



#1453 teejay

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 00:21

I think it an awesome idea, the track is their crown jewel and gets used once in a year.

 

Building interest in Indy is only a good thing.



#1454 Deluxx

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:58

Should be cool, I actually kinda like the Road Course. Just hope it doesnt take away from tix sales from the 500



#1455 teejay

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:23

I doubt it - its like a basketball fan buying a regular season ticket, then getting one to game 7 of the playoffs



#1456 biercemountain

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 14:25

I don't know. I'm with AJ Foyt and his worries that it will dilute the "big show", especially being so close to the 500. I liked his idea of having it later in the year.

 

That being said, it's a done deal and I wish them the best of luck. It will be interesting to see what changes they make to the track.



#1457 sblick

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 15:11

Just heard rumor that Phoenix is going to be added.  Anybody got solid info on that



#1458 Rob G

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 17:17

The Belardi Indy Lights team just folded up shop. So that leaves, what, six full-time cars now?



#1459 PayasYouRace

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 17:54

I don't think there's much to lose by having the road course race at Indy. If it's successful, great. If not, it'll just quietly be forgotten along with much of what happens in Indycar these days.



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#1460 Andrew Hope

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 18:02

Just heard rumor that Phoenix is going to be added.  Anybody got solid info on that

That's been a rumour for a while. I wonder if IndyCar would use the shortcut..



#1461 Option1

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 18:14

I'll vote in favour of the Indy road course.  It should serve as a bit more exciting a kick-off to the boring, drawn out month lead up to the 500.  Once upon a time all the practices, carb days, poll days, bump days, grind days, tittyandarse days meant something.   Now with a totally homogenized one-make spec series they just mean a usual weekend race meeting is drawnnnnnnnn out into a month of faux-drama; and usually the faux isn't even particularly dramatic.

 

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#1462 Andrew Hope

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 18:18

That's part of my thinking as well. Every year in April I pretend I'm going to watch the 500000 laps of testing they do before the 500, and then I realize it's boring as hell. This makes a nice change.



#1463 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 18:53

Like hell it does. We replace Brazil with a crappy road course in front of empty stands. And then do the normal bazillion laps of practice and two days of qualifying for the 500. 



#1464 Andrew Hope

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 19:00

Well if you're determined to hate it, Ross :D.



#1465 Prost1997T

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 19:41

Like hell it does. We replace Brazil with a crappy road course in front of empty stands. And then do the normal bazillion laps of practice and two days of qualifying for the 500. 

 

Brazil was a great venue but the chicane filled layout sucked, and the first corner was notorious for collisions.

 

The Belardi Indy Lights team just folded up shop. So that leaves, what, six full-time cars now?

 

Conor Daly will be racing Lights at Houston, probably Fontana as well. Dan Andersen expects that with the change from Firestone to Cooper and other improvements (eg new engine partner) that 16 full time entries are achievable for 2014.

 

http://www.racer.com...article/313782/


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#1466 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 19:50

Brazil was a great venue but the chicane filled layout sucked, and the first corner was notorious for collisions.

 

 

So it's still better than a roval that will look empty.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 20:20

Why aren't we going to Brazil again? I've completely forgotten the reason.



#1468 V3TT3L

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 20:25

.@TonyKanaan To Join Ganassi Racing Next Season, AP Reports » http://bit.ly/1945qki  #IndyCar @CGRTeams @TCGRTeams

 

And

 

IZOD drops Indy title sponsorship for 2014



#1469 Prost1997T

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 20:57

So it's still better than a roval that will look empty.

 

Then by that token Indycar should leave all ovals except the 500. :rolleyes:

 

Why aren't we going to Brazil again? I've completely forgotten the reason.

 

Change in political leadership, and Band apparently aren't going to cover or promote the race.

 

 

.@TonyKanaan To Join Ganassi Racing Next Season, AP Reports » http://bit.ly/1945qki  #IndyCar @CGRTeams @TCGRTeams

 

And

 

IZOD drops Indy title sponsorship for 2014

 

Kanaan should have done that in 2009, but it's good to see he has a competitive ride for next year. Maybe that'll shut up the people taking the Nascar rumour seriously.

 

IZOD were on their way out for a while, I think Verizon will be the replacement since they already have the Indycar app on their network.



#1470 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 21:21

Where did I say anything about leaving ovals?

 

Racing on infield road courses is a bad schedule move. They tend to be rubbish layouts and look like poor events because you can't fill an oval when you're using the road course layout. Especially Indianapolis. 



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 22:15

Where did I say anything about leaving ovals?

 

Racing on infield road courses is a bad schedule move. They tend to be rubbish layouts and look like poor events because you can't fill an oval when you're using the road course layout. Especially Indianapolis. 

 

Their stands "look empty" by the standard you're using. Obviously the Speedway will not have 250k for the road race. Just like Pocono didn't have 80k for Indycar.

 

The layout is being changed. You haven't even seen it :stoned:


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#1472 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 22:21

Oh, they're digging up the infield and inserting Road America?



#1473 Prost1997T

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 23:04

Oh, they're digging up the infield and inserting Road America?

 

I will bet that it's better than the chicane ridden Sao Paulo streets, and more interesting than a sequence of 90 degree corners.



#1474 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 23:18

It has no elevation and no interesting turns. Some street circuits are like that too but at least they have walls and lots of bumps...



#1475 Andrew Hope

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 23:21

I don't think anyone is saying it's the best track ever. It's probably bottom 5 on the calendar. But as an idea, it might work. The pavement isn't going to come apart. There aren't going to be 15 car pile-ups at the first corner because the track is 8 feet wide. IndyCar has had worse ideas.



#1476 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 23:39

At minimum they need to run a variant of the MotoGP rather than F1 layout. Whatever it takes to go the correct direction down the front straight.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 01:20

The Belardi Indy Lights team just folded up shop. So that leaves, what, six full-time cars now?

 

For what I understood, they are only folding Dempsey's entry because they don't have the budget to keep him on board (I suppose Dempsey was not paying for the ride, or maybe just bringing a part of the sponsorship needed with the team filling the rest just to have someone talented racing for them)



#1478 Xpat

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 02:02

Standing start would be nice and have it go the same direction as F1.

 

Not sure how the pits would work or if it would even work.

 

The problem with a venue with 250,000 seats is that it will look empty with 150,000. 



#1479 Rob G

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 03:06

For what I understood, they are only folding Dempsey's entry because they don't have the budget to keep him on board (I suppose Dempsey was not paying for the ride, or maybe just bringing a part of the sponsorship needed with the team filling the rest just to have someone talented racing for them)

Ahh, you're right. The Autosport article I read said "the Belardi team's withdrawal," but I guess it's just the one car.



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#1480 Muppetmad

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:51

Kanaan to Ganassi? Why? Not to have a downer on Kanaan, but he is well past his best - why not give the seat to Bourdais or Pagenaud? You could say Bourdais is also past his best (I'd just disagree with you), but Pagenaud certainly isn't. If not, even Newgarden would be worth a punt. Just get some new blood into the top teams!



#1481 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:28

That Kanaan to Ganassi sure doesn't sound like a Chip move, why didn't he just move Montoya to that car?

Not that I don't like Kanaan, but I hope Montoya makes Fatassi look stoopid next season.

Oh, and the scrunched up bit of pavement RC they have at IMS that they are gonna run in May?

Another dumb move by the braintrust at IMS, whatta surprise.  :rolleyes:



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 20:27

http://www.indystar....IMS-road-course

 

Standing start, good. Clockwise, good.



#1483 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 20:38

They're cutting out the long left hander T6 or whatever. Also they're simplifying the horrible hairpin that the bikes were given on the inside of (Speedway) T1.

https://twitter.com/...136121874636801

#1484 Andrew Hope

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 20:42

That ****ing article. God dammit I hate trying to figure out clockwise/counter-clockwise.

 

Are they going the same way as F1 did or not?



#1485 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 20:45

Same way as F1 Andrew

#1486 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 21:18

That's dumb.



#1487 Risil

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 21:39

Not using the oval turn is nuts. That's the only thing the layout's ever had going for it.



#1488 Andrew Hope

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 21:54

For the love of God. Enough ****ing chicanes.



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 21:56

I'd love to know why they are avoiding the banking.



#1490 Risil

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 21:58

Or at least put a really silly one in like Baltimore. Or this horrible thing.

Posted just because we haven't had a CART nostalgia post for about a week. I don't think we need to bring back this event.


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#1491 Red17

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 22:31

I'd love to know why they are avoiding the banking.

 

Maybe the road course has a different surface, I would not surprised if that is the case and the IMS is simply taking action to avoid more tyre issues, not that they had another after the debacle.



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 15:17

Looks like reserved seats for the Grand Prix of Indianapolis will run from $40-75 with a bit of a discount for IMS ticket holders. Free entry for practice.

 

I really do remain to be convinced on this.



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 16:28

I think they are avoiding the banking because two weeks later they will be qualifying for the 500. I am of the opinion they don't want rubber layed down in the wrong spots

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 16:41

That makes a bit of sense.

 

Charging for tickets doesn't. I just assumed this would be part of the Month of May. Why not give free admission to anyone who buys a qualifying or race ticket for the 500? 



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 17:20

This CART nostalgia post could be your future.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=0iRAZ_w2fuY



#1496 Muppetmad

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 17:45

Gah. The absence of the oval turn is awful, as is the the need to pay for tickets for the race on top of ones for the 500 - so basically what y'all have said.



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 21:02

Why eliminate the 5,6,7 complex in favor of a left/right chicane?  It was one of the better features of the F1 layout.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:51

I liked F1 here, never missed one. Cheap tickets, 3 hour drive from home. The locals are great, warm, friendly. Since F1 been going to 500 mile race. Lately they have been good. And the Brickyard is the bomb. It really is the temple of (USA) racing on so many levels - the vastness of it thrilling to the eye and the ear thanks to the steel grandstands.

 

Indycars are not F1 bit I say they are pretty good racing recently. And they are cheap - cheap cars, cheap (owned, not used often) track, cheap race tickets. Who cares if nobody comes, nobody will still be 100,000 tickets... Maybe some watched "Rush" and these guys race the same cars ( :drunk: ); more importantly a lot of passionate but broke racing fans will show up.

 

AJ criticism would be right if Indy series was what it was when I grew up and he was winning. They have to get relevant today, and be ready to be relevant tomorrow, when kids ride around in self-driving cars streamed from Google. This is a good move. I'm in!



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 08:02

Why eliminate the 5,6,7 complex in favor of a left/right chicane?  It was one of the better features of the F1 layout.

 

No, it was slow mickey mouse crap, speeding up that section was a good idea.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 09:59

The best part of the old layout used for F1 was the oval Turn 1. My initial thought when I saw the new layout for the GPIndy was one of disappointment that Turn 1 was not included. Upon reflection the reason that was the best part of the F1 layout was the fact the F1 cars would be using the turn, something fairly unique for them. We get to see the IndyCar guys use that turn plenty.