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#151 P123

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 22:40

True on both counts, of course far more time can be won or lost in the slow stuff than in fast curves. It's just that it's the rest of the track has such a magig flow to it, and then this part totally breaks the spell every lap.


I agree. Although it does invite some optimistic overtaking and defending.

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#152 Risil

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 23:05

True on both counts, of course far more time can be won or lost in the slow stuff than in fast curves. It's just that it's the rest of the track has such a magig flow to it, and then this part totally breaks the spell every lap.


It's been the site of so many acts of last-lap heroism and foolishness that I like to consider it an allowed evil.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:39

Well, even if Suzuka falls short compared with the best track on the calendar, it's still great, or is it not? The only two things that could improve Suzuka, IMO, is a change to the last chicane and making the track wider by about 3 metres. Especially the latter will obviously never happen, sadly.


No way, one of the best things about Suzuka is that it's quite tight. You can feel the speed of the cars a lot more there than at a 50m wide track like Malaysia.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:16

No way, one of the best things about Suzuka is that it's quite tight. You can feel the speed of the cars a lot more there than at a 50m wide track like Malaysia.


I'm not asking for 50 metres, as you could have noticed. I feel with a slightly wider track would make it perfect, in allowing more overtaking. I's just idle dreams anyway, it will never happen.

#155 as65p

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:17

I agree. Although it does invite some optimistic overtaking and defending.


It's been the site of so many acts of last-lap heroism and foolishness that I like to consider it an allowed evil.


Well, that's actually a valid point.

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#156 Lazy

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:26

There hasn't been a 1-2 this season. Closest was McLaren in Monza.

And I gotta be honest, I don't understand why Button is so good round here. Sure he has won round here, but I would say Vettel is more of a Suzuka specialist than anyone.


It's a flowing circuit, that's what he does best.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:39

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#158 Raziel

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:03

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That reaction from Ron! :rotfl: :clap: great times! I remember that season very well! mp4-20 super fast car but poor reliability :cry:

#159 muramasa

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:41

It's not hard at all, just that premiums can be quite high. I'd be really surprised if they had not insured against the race being cancelled.

I also wouldnt be surprised if they dont get that highest or higher premium one. Maybe the unhighlighted part of my prev post would be an answer. We hear stories and whispers that OZ, Spa etc are and have been in very fragile position. Also you can think of what happened to 2005 USGP. Suzuka is no different. Ultimate irregularity like cancellation can cause domino effect, like groundless bad reputation, fans evasion, sponsors pulling out either by justifiable reasons or using cancellation and mess as an excuse, etc etc, and the whole thing can be put to an end instantly. Even Suzuka can use that excuse card to pull out of F1. When F1 returned to Suzuka in 2009, they somewhat stressed words like "duty" and "responsibility" (to continue to provide stage and opportunities for Japanese F1 fans), strangely without any celebration atmosphere. No wonder coz they are barely making profits out of F1, in fact they are at a loss short-mid term at least after 2009 taking into consideration the refurbishment that was primarily done for F1 and essentially by Bernie request. I heard Melbourne GP is in the red for many years, Spa has long been struggling too. Private insurance, unlike public safety net, is after money after all and doesnt cover and take care of that side of the reality. Even if they get full compensation, other realities arent as forgiving. Potential loss and negative side effects are hard to calculate and not easily visible, but wont be small, and even if not huge, it can be easily lethal to current Suzuka.



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#160 Risil

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 13:06

Yeah, but Suzuka's holding the F1 race helps keep the circuit established as Japan's premier racing circuit. That should improve interest and profitability for all events, right down to individual track days. It's expensive advertising, but probably the best quality it's possible to get. Or so goes the theory. Not very measurable though: after all Donington Park still trades extensively on the one-off F1 Grand Prix held there in 1993.

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#161 HoldenRT

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 13:58

As if Button was real contender, right


My comment had nothing to do with Button or his penalty..

My comment was about being so excited to see the new drivers in their new teams like Lewis at Merc and Perez at McLaren.

And that's coming from someone who LOVES the Suzuka track.. it really is one of the best. It's just that next season's drivers lineup figures to be even more exciting than this years.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 14:00

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One of my favourite ever F1 races.. maybe the best ever (in my lifetime).

#163 Anderis

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 14:43

Opposite to many F1 fans, I don't particularly enjoy this track. I respect that it's a real challenge for drivers and that many F1 fans have great memories connected with this track. But I've not. I watch F1 since 2006, so I missed the 2005 race there. But after 2005 I didn't find any race there to be particularly enjoyable or interesting. And it's not in the top5 of F1 circuits than I enjoy the most and that I can't wait for.

Anyway, I expect Maldonado to have a strong qualifying session here. Just as many times this year. Williams' car should like all fast corners here, as it was really competitive in Barcelona and Spa, and Pastor is usually very quick on challenging tracks, as he qualified 2nd in Singapore and 3rd in Belgium this year, and had outperformed Rubens last year in Monaco, Spa, Singapore and Suzuka as well.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 14:55

The one driver i'd really like to see perform well here is Kobayashi. Could be his last Japan GP with Sauber and i'm not sure any other team would take him on unless he could deliver some nice drives in the final part of this season.

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#165 Clatter

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 16:28

The one driver i'd really like to see perform well here is Kobayashi. Could be his last Japan GP with Sauber and i'm not sure any other team would take him on unless he could deliver some nice drives in the final part of this season.


With Perez going I would have thought his chances of staying have increased.

#166 dau

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 17:00

With Perez going I would have thought his chances of staying have increased.

I'm not so sure. Alguersuari was rumoured to be back in one of the midfield teams, Gutierrez could step up to F1 and if Ferrari wants to get Bianchi a seat, Sauber would be the logical choice if nothing's available at Force India. And if Sauber went for a completely new lineup, like in 2010, they'd do it next year rather than in 2014 with all the upcoming rule changes. I hope i'm just being overly pessimistic though.

#167 dau

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 17:00

With Perez going I would have thought his chances of staying have increased.

I'm not so sure. Alguersuari was rumoured to be back in one of the midfield teams, Gutierrez could step up to F1 and if Ferrari wants to get Bianchi a seat, Sauber would be the logical choice if nothing's available at Force India. And if Sauber went for a completely new lineup, like in 2010, they'd do it next year rather than in 2014 with all the upcoming rule changes. I hope i'm just being overly pessimistic though.

#168 Kvothe

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 23:23

DRS zone:

#Suzuka #F1 1DRS zone. Detection 50m before T16 and Activation at Control Line (both later than 2011)

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 00:07

I am sorry, but I don't agree. He has been occasionally very good, but when he was driving really good cars in Suzuka, he managed to get a great result just once, and that was last year. For example, Barrichello beat him in 2009, McLaren was faster than Ferrari in 2010 at Suzuka and yet he was behind Alonso both in Q and in the race, also he was slower than Hamilton in Q but Lewis had a 5 place penalty because of gearbox change. Sato also outqualified him in 2004, when BAR was the second best car. I am not saying that he is not driving well there, but an expert would certainly need to do more.


yeah, it's true Mclaren was faster than Ferrari in Suzuka but Jenson qualified on hard tires while everybody else was on softs.

Button, with harder tires, was 2 tenths slower than Lewis with soft ones. Quite good result if you ask me tbh.

But I also agree he isn't exactly a specialist in this track. He's definitely good but I wouldn't go that far to put him anywhere near drivers like Berger(who beaten many of his team mates in Suzuka, including Senna and Alesi), A.Senna and M.Schumacher

Jenson outqualified and was outqualified in Suzuka by Sato, Rubens and Lewis, so he's good but not dominant to be pedant.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:42

I wonder how strong will be race attendance this year. Kamui is still a draw among my friends.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:36

I wonder how strong will be race attendance this year. Kamui is still a draw among my friends.


KK just won in the last F1 game I played, so I maintain that is an omen. :lol: :up:

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:45

I went to Suzuka last year and it was Kamui-mania. Every grandstand was full of white Kamui hats and shirts, although for some reason I think I ended up in the special Kamui supporters section. The best part was when he stopped during the drivers parade and came up towards our grandstand to entertain the crowd, they loved it.

So I think the attendance will be huge again :)

#173 plumtree

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:19

FIA press conference schedule

Thursday’s media session at Suzuka includes the fascinating combination of the Mercedes-bound Lewis Hamilton, his replacement at McLaren, Sergio Perez, and his current team mate Jenson Button. And Friday’s has bosses from all the teams involved in the ‘Hamilton reshuffle’. The line-up in full…

Thursday, October 04, 1500 hours local time (0600 GMT)
Jenson Button (McLaren), Paul Di Resta (Force India), Lewis Hamilton (McLaren), Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber), Felipe Massa (Ferrari) and Sergio Perez (Sauber).

Friday, October 05, 1600 hours local time (0700 GMT)
John Booth (Marussia), Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Monisha Kaltenborn (Sauber), Kim Spearman (Cosworth) and Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).

:smoking:

#174 jrg19

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:21

First chance to question Lewis.

#175 Raziel

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:22

FIA press conference schedule - Japan

Thursday, October 04, 1500 hours local time (0600 GMT)
Jenson Button (McLaren), Paul Di Resta (Force India), Lewis Hamilton (McLaren), Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber), Felipe Massa (Ferrari) and Sergio Perez (Sauber).

Friday, October 05, 1600 hours local time (0700 GMT)
John Booth (Marussia), Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Monisha Kaltenborn (Sauber), Kim Spearman (Cosworth) and Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).


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#176 dau

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:30

They should have put them all in one PC.

#177 karlth

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:53

FIA press conference schedule - Japan

Thursday, October 04, 1500 hours local time (0600 GMT)
Jenson Button (McLaren), Paul Di Resta (Force India), Lewis Hamilton (McLaren), Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber), Felipe Massa (Ferrari) and Sergio Perez (Sauber).

Friday, October 05, 1600 hours local time (0700 GMT)
John Booth (Marussia), Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Monisha Kaltenborn (Sauber), Kim Spearman (Cosworth) and Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).


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#178 f1rules

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:57

One of my favourite ever F1 races.. maybe the best ever (in my lifetime).


:up: :up: absolutely!! One of my best if not the best ever, that last move on fisci, absolute amazing!! :up: :up:

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:56

FIA press conference schedule

Thursday’s media session at Suzuka includes the fascinating combination of the Mercedes-bound Lewis Hamilton, his replacement at McLaren, Sergio Perez, and his current team mate Jenson Button. And Friday’s has bosses from all the teams involved in the ‘Hamilton reshuffle’. The line-up in full…

Thursday, October 04, 1500 hours local time (0600 GMT)
Jenson Button (McLaren), Paul Di Resta (Force India), Lewis Hamilton (McLaren), Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber), Felipe Massa (Ferrari) and Sergio Perez (Sauber).


Friday, October 05, 1600 hours local time (0700 GMT)
John Booth (Marussia), Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Monisha Kaltenborn (Sauber), Kim Spearman (Cosworth) and Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).

:smoking:


:lol: The FIA getting something right Paul Di resta will be the most interesting to watch.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 13:52

FIA press conference schedule

Thursday’s media session at Suzuka includes the fascinating combination of the Mercedes-bound Lewis Hamilton, his replacement at McLaren, Sergio Perez, and his current team mate Jenson Button. And Friday’s has bosses from all the teams involved in the ‘Hamilton reshuffle’. The line-up in full…

Thursday, October 04, 1500 hours local time (0600 GMT)
Jenson Button (McLaren), Paul Di Resta (Force India), Lewis Hamilton (McLaren), Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber), Felipe Massa (Ferrari) and Sergio Perez (Sauber).

Friday, October 05, 1600 hours local time (0700 GMT)
John Booth (Marussia), Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Monisha Kaltenborn (Sauber), Kim Spearman (Cosworth) and Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).

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Only Schumi is missing :smoking:

#181 PARAZAR

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 05:34

So did anyone watch the drivers' press conference?

#182 plumtree

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:12

So did anyone watch the drivers' press conference?

It started about 10 mins ago. Odd that Perez is sitting in the middle of the first row, between Hamilton & Button.

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#183 jrg19

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:27

Lewis not answering questions on Mercedes :lol:

#184 PARAZAR

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:30

Where can I watch? Not in the UK. Any links I found don't seem to be showing the PC just sth else F1 related.

Edited by PARAZAR, 04 October 2012 - 06:40.


#185 muramasa

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:03

It started about 10 mins ago. Odd that Perez is sitting in the middle of the first row, between Hamilton & Button.

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#186 Lazy

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:10

It started about 10 mins ago. Odd that Perez is sitting in the middle of the first row, between Hamilton & Button.

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You can tell that the drivers love doing these press conferences.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:15

I don't know why they bother any more. The PCs are utterly drab, dull and boring affairs and all the drivers look like they'd rather be anywhere else but sitting there. This should be canned or the format shaken up a bit. I'd like to see the drivers talking the journos around on-board laps and about the specifics of the track, or basically anything other than the usual questions.

#188 RedOne

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:17

Interesting when Lewis said he knows about McLaren's car for next year and that it's going to be good. Jenson seemed to find it amusing which I thought was fascinating.

#189 plumtree

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:23

You can tell that the drivers love doing these press conferences.

To be fair, this was one of the most uncomfortable sessions of the year to be in, considering who were there and how the silly season has developed.

#190 PARAZAR

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:25

What did they say? Couldn't watch.

#191 Watkins74

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:25

I don't know why they bother any more. The PCs are utterly drab, dull and boring affairs and all the drivers look like they'd rather be anywhere else but sitting there. This should be canned or the format shaken up a bit. I'd like to see the drivers talking the journos around on-board laps and about the specifics of the track, or basically anything other than the usual questions.

Maybe they could stand outside and Niki Lauda or Eddie Jordan could....never mind.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:35

Interesting when Lewis said he knows about McLaren's car for next year and that it's going to be good. Jenson seemed to find it amusing which I thought was fascinating.


Pretty funny PC today- body Language minefield. :cool:
Thought it a response/riposte to Jenson’s comments in the press during Lewis’s Contract negotiation on him having access to 2013 car.
http://www.telegraph...s-Hamilton.html
Timing (and even commentary)from Jenson wasn’t appropriate nor could it have been particularly helpful at the that point .Paddy Lowe had to wade in on that one.


#193 P123

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:37

Maybe they could stand outside and Niki Lauda or Eddie Jordan could....never mind.


:D Problem with the Thursday PCs is that the questions are good, but the drivers are in full team PR mode and never want to say anything that may be remotely controversial. The problem with the podium interviews is that the questions are terrible, and unfortunately that's the time whne the drivers are most likely to have something interesting to say...

#194 RedOne

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:39

I don't know why they bother any more. The PCs are utterly drab, dull and boring affairs and all the drivers look like they'd rather be anywhere else but sitting there. This should be canned or the format shaken up a bit. I'd like to see the drivers talking the journos around on-board laps and about the specifics of the track, or basically anything other than the usual questions.


The conference is not for our entertainment, its actually for the journalists. It's lucky that you even get to see it, if you are expecting to be entertained then I would suggest you don't watch it.

#195 superdelphinus

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:59

I'm going to have to stop posting in this thread now, because I've got a lump in my throat

#196 Sinceref189

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:10

Maybe they could stand outside and Niki Lauda or Eddie Jordan could....never mind.


:lol:

#197 F1ultimate

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:35

Lord help us. What that seating arrangement ordered by the Daily Mail or something? It's terribly doctored.

#198 korzeniow

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:32

Lots of crazy fans in Japan:

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This one wanted to get in:

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But this little fella got lucky:

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#199 goldenboy

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:41

haha thats cool of vettel ,he was pretty good with fans on thursday pitwalk in monza too.

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#200 muramasa

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:44

Lots of crazy fans in Japan:

not more crazy than fans in any other countries are tbh.