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#101 NateF

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:32

When did that affect anything?

Yeah I never understand this 'number one' thing about Hamilton. Considering Button has more often than not qualified behind his teammate this year, how would giving Hamilton number one status changed anything, maybe McLaren could have told Lewis to not qualify ahead of his teammate just so Button could move over him in the race. The whole idea that helping Button in his slump in the early to mid part of the year hindered Hamilton is undermined by the fact that the car has been on pole for the last four races, three of them from Hamilton.

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#102 seahawk

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:33

I am interested to see what will happen with Vodafone. Telmex and Vodafone together is hard to imagine. If Vodafone was on the way out as a sponsor for McLaren many things would be much more logical though. It would explain the need for a paycut for Lewis.

#103 lokiman

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:34

Yuji Ide to McLaren. You heard it here first, kids.

#104 DarthWillie

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:34

Ah the meltdown at Mercedes will be fun to watch, once Hamilton discovers what he left behind. Would be so much fun if Mac built the most dominant car for the next couple of years :p



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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:36

Ah the meltdown at Mercedes will be fun to watch, once Hamilton discovers what he left behind. Would be so much fun if Mac built the most dominant car for the next couple of years :p


Yes Button as a WDC in 2013, would be fun to watch.

#106 Zoetrope

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:37

Yes Button as a WDC in 2013, would be fun to watch.

Perez WDC in 2013? :drunk:

#107 ViMaMo

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:37

1. Lewis is betraying Mclaren who have supported him from beginning by leaving Mclaren.
How long should Lewis stay at Mclaren to fulfill that debt?
2. Money has been a factor to move to Mercedes.
Every driver seeks higher salary when making a move to another team. He has the talent and popularity to demand it.

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Hope Lewis matures as a driver at Merc. And Merc should be able to provide Ham and Nico with a competitive car next year.

Edited by ViMaMo, 28 September 2012 - 06:39.


#108 Slackbladder

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:38

I am interested to see what will happen with Vodafone. Telmex and Vodafone together is hard to imagine. If Vodafone was on the way out as a sponsor for McLaren many things would be much more logical though. It would explain the need for a paycut for Lewis.


It has to said as well that Lewis and his team will have access to much more information about future funding of this nature than any of us. McLarens future funding isn't secure as such really is it? Certainly not compared with Ferrari and Merc (both manufacturers) and Red Bull (backed by the drinks company). I'm sure that Lewis would have had assurances about Mercedes future plans as well.

#109 DarkknightRises

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:38

if perez is picked by mclaren...it also showed that Vodafone will be leaving mclaren and with telmex replacing it!!

#110 Massa

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:38

Actually you sound very short sighted and to know very little


Ferrari: Drivers drool at the thought of being able to drive for the scuderia. - Maybe for the past decade or so, but you obviously don't remember the period between 1984-1997 before they poached half the Benetton team (including lead driver)

So I do believe you talk sh*t, as for Rakaman...



Yeah, it's why Senna have a pre contract with Ferrari for 1996.. It's why Mansell and Prost was in the team.

#111 Timstr11

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:39

Andrew Benson ‏@andrewbensonf1
I've had the @LewisHamilton to Mercedes story confirmed - announcement expected later. @SChecoPerez will move to McLarne in his place



#112 lokiman

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:41

BBC now reporting Hamilton to Mercedes.

#113 bauss

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:41

I'm conflicted... like some said it could end up great, or it could be bad.

I don't think its all about money though.

I also think the demise of LH cos of this move is greatly exaggerated, it may actually shine more light on just how good it is...even if he doesn't have a great car.

The next days will be interesting in explaining just how this move came about.

Watching McLaren go racing for the next 6 races will be interesting...

#114 Ferrari2183

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:42

I don't get this "The beginning of the end" talk.

This might just be an inspired decision from Hamilton and Ross Brawn is not averse to building a team around only one driver. He has slowly being lining up his chips over the last few years and signing Hamilton could make the rest all fall in place. Hamilton's is sure to take a few McLaren engineers with him.

Not that I care but all in all I think McLaren are the big losers here. Hamilton has really endeared himself to me this year (He has handled himself exceptionally well) so much so that I find myself defending him. He will end up a better person and driver because of this.

#115 Ravenak

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:43

1. Lewis is betraying Mclaren who have supported him from beginning by leaving Mclaren.
How long should Lewis stay at Mclaren to fulfill that debt?
2. Money has been a factor to move to Mercedes.
Every driver seeks higher salary when making a move to another team. He has the talent and popularity to demand it.

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Hope Lewis matures as a driver at Merc. And Merc should be able to provide Ham and Nico with a competitive car next year.


Everybody says Lewis is betraying McLaren. But nobody ever suspects McLaren's higher staff to be absolutely obnoxious.

Wouldn't be the first disagreement between McLaren superiors and an honest driver.

Good riddance for Lewis, rather.

Edited by Ravenak, 28 September 2012 - 06:44.


#116 Ellios

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:44

BBC now reporting this as well as the 'red tops'


http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19755236

Edited by Ellios, 28 September 2012 - 06:44.


#117 ViMaMo

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:44

Thats what sad about mclaren, they have two legs in two boats. Button was the one who needed to go.

#118 Guizotia

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:44

Lewis Hamilton is bigger than McLaren.

Need to find a new avatar pic

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:45

BBC now reporting this as well as the 'red tops'


http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19755236



"Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg."

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#120 Antonov

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:46

Rosberg will be very happy about the number 2 status.

#121 lokiman

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:46

Lewis to Mercedes smells awfully similar to Villenueve to BAR.

#122 Coral

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:46

read this at 3 am on james allen twitter feed... couldnt sleep anymore. very excited.
this is good for lewis! he needs a fresh environment. mercedes will deliver. ross has been working to get things together. we know that in F1 it needs time.
look at red bull.. it took them several years to build the team.

also glad for perez to get his deserved shot in a top team.

:up: :up: :up:

Oh, me too! I'm very excited! This is a good move for Lewis. It will be a nice fresh start for him. I can't wait! :clap:

I said on 16th May 2010 that Lewis should join Mercedes...I am feeling rather smug this morning!  ;)

#123 03011969

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:47

Alonso after he shafted the team

lol. McLaren shafted themselves - Alonso just told the truth.

#124 Ferrari2183

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:48

"Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg."

If true then :up:

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:48

BBC: "Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg. "

Can someone explain what happens in situations like this if your teammate outperforms you when you're contractually the #1 driver?

#126 as65p

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:49

I don't get this "The beginning of the end" talk.

This might just be an inspired decision from Hamilton and Ross Brawn is not averse to building a team around only one driver. He has slowly being lining up his chips over the last few years and signing Hamilton could make the rest all fall in place. Hamilton's is sure to take a few McLaren engineers with him.


Is he?

#127 lokiman

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:50

BBC: "Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg. "

Can someone explain what happens in situations like this if your teammate outperforms you when you're contractually the #1 driver?


They make sure that he doesn't outperform you........................



#128 seahawk

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:51

Im a sure that Nico has a clause in his contract, that he will not be No.2 and will get equal treatment. At least he was very clear about that when Michael joined the team.

Edited by seahawk, 28 September 2012 - 06:51.


#129 ali.unal

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:51

If true, well how Nico Rosberg react to that news? I don't expect he simply nods and drives.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:51

BBC: "Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg. "

Can someone explain what happens in situations like this if your teammate outperforms you when you're contractually the #1 driver?

I think this is BS.
Benson will always find a way to mess up a decent news item.

#131 Ferrari2183

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:51

Is he?

I'm pretty sure. This is usually the case with big driver signings. It might not happen now but it will happen.

#132 Hyatt

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:51

hmm, too bad Ham-Mc resulted in just one WDC ... but thats McLarens main problem anyway ... insufficent yield ... ask Kimi

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:52

Rosberg will be very happy about the number 2 status.


Yeah, he will be looking to move on asap.

#134 lokiman

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:52

Is he?


I very much doubt it. I doubt there's any great affection for him within the engineering ranks, though I doubt there's any hostility, either.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:52

BBC: "Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg. "

Can someone explain what happens in situations like this if your teammate outperforms you when you're contractually the #1 driver?


Ross Brawn = ex ferrari boss

hope it answers your question

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:52

I'll have to come back to this thread at the end of next season because there could be some almightly slices of humble pie to hand out to those predicting (some with obvious relish) the death of Hamilton's career. IMO this is a good move for Lewis in the long run, like it was a good move for Schuey to leave Bennetton for a Scuderia that hadn't won a title in years. We'll see. One thing I am 100% sure of is that those who waffle on about Hamilton never having had to show his class in a bad car (despite 2009) will have had their eyes opened big time 12 months from now.

2013 just got a lot more interesting.



#137 03011969

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:53

If he's the quicker driver why does he need unequivocal number 1 status?


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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:53

1. Lewis is betraying Mclaren who have supported him from beginning by leaving Mclaren.
How long should Lewis stay at Mclaren to fulfill that debt?
2. Money has been a factor to move to Mercedes.
Every driver seeks higher salary when making a move to another team. He has the talent and popularity to demand it.

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Hope Lewis matures as a driver at Merc. And Merc should be able to provide Ham and Nico with a competitive car next year.


If he really is leaving (I'm going to wait for the official announcement before commenting further) then he has given them six years of his life. That is likely to be about half of his F1 career. He has also brought McLaren their only title this century. Whatever you think about Hamilton or his motivations for leaving the team, he paid his debt long ago. If McLaren took the emotional blackmail tack at any point during negotiations I hope he laughed in their faces.

Edited by Juggles, 28 September 2012 - 07:48.


#139 Antonov

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:53

what would worry me in LH's place is that SCHU gets a function within the team. I know it may be paranoia, but I'm still pretty sure it's due to Schumacher that Raikkonen started losing performance relative to Massa.

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#140 David Lightman

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:53

Best thing about all this news is that the dullard Di Resta won't be in a top team, which is as it should be.

#141 Ferrari2183

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:53

What is the status of Rosberg's contract? When does it expire?

#142 NateF

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:53

I think this is BS.
Benson will always find a way to mess up a decent news item.

I always thought Hamilton was willing to beat all comers fair and square?

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:54

"Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg."

I hope that's not true. He should earn his number one status (if he can).


#144 garoidb

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:55

Ross Brawn = ex ferrari boss


Is this now being accepted as fact?

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:55

"Hamilton has been offered unequivocal number one status and will be partnered by German Nico Rosberg."


Makes sense from Hamiltons POV, obviously. To think he'll have it easier than Alonso in 2010, who had to fight half the season to become no.1.... and to think of the many u-turns from people always being soooo disgusted over team orders at Ferrari. :p

However, I have no idea how Rosberg could ever agree to it. That's the biggest question mark over the story, I think.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:56

Perez confirmed at Mclaren, Hamilton confirmed at Mercedes
@BBCSport @mrjakehumphrey
It's official. Lewis has gone. Just announced on Five Live, and first broken weeks ago on #bbcf1. #FingersOnThePulse
BREAKING NEWS: via @Aguirre_A_Luis
@adamcooperf1 Adam, its official now in Mexico, Checo is the new McLaren driver. Cheers!

#147 garoidb

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:57

what would worry me in LH's place is that SCHU gets a function within the team. I know it may be paranoia, but I'm still pretty sure it's due to Schumacher that Raikkonen started losing performance relative to Massa.


Bingo. But does he have the same relationship with Rosberg?

#148 as65p

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:57

I very much doubt it. I doubt there's any great affection for him within the engineering ranks, though I doubt there's any hostility, either.


Yep. My impression too.

#149 LostProphet

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:58

Is this now being accepted as fact?


Yeah, technically Jean Todt was the Ferrari 'boss'.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:58

Andrew Benson
I'm told that @SChecoPerez has signed as @LewisHamilton's McLaren replacement