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#151 charly0418

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:05

Is Vodafone german owned or most of it?


All British

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#152 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:07

I've been a McLaren supporter since the 80s. I've seen Marlboro sponsorship come and go, I've seen West come and go, I'm now going to see Vodafone come and go. Am I worried? No...McLaren's a top team and an ideal sponsorship partner - they'll have no difficulty attracting a new deal.


I hope you are right. I was a Mclaren fan from 1988 till last season so I don't wish them bad. I personally oppose MW, I don't think he is the best Mclaren could have to do his job. However this does put Mclaren on the back foot again, they lost their star driver, star designer / engineer - take your pick and now their main sponsor. They now have to hunt for a replacement for Vodafone. When you are in that situation, getting the best deals aren't that easy.

These are consecutive series of bad news in close proximity. I don't see how else to cut it. Perhaps the time has come to take a hard look at themselves and maybe there is something not quite right at home.

Edited by femi, 14 March 2013 - 18:13.


#153 2ms

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:08

Why do people dislike MW exactly?

#154 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:08

All British


I thought as much but it is Vodafone Germany making most of the money. Just do a google search.

#155 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:11

Why do people dislike MW exactly?


I don't think it matters really, but it does seem outside England, he doesn't seem have that many fans... Rightly or wrongly, business is about perception. That is why they spend tons on creating desired image.

#156 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:14

Vodafone Germany used to be D2/Mannesmann

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:16

I think that while US spectators are more familiar with the Telmex logo, Slim's Claro and Telcel companies are far more valuable. So if he did decide to become a title sponsor with McLaren, I imagine that Claro would be the primary sponsor, with Telcel and Telmex having a smaller presence.

#158 jjcale

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:26

I have been a McLaren fan for 3 decades.
You cannot deny the outlook is relatively negative - with key entities looking for the exit route.
And yes it annoys me what the team has become under Whitmarsh, they are very difficult to support nowdays, if not impossible.


Know exactly how you feel, Bro.

Dont get me wrong though... I still support Macca so long as Ron remains on the scene in any meaningful capacity.

Edited by jjcale, 14 March 2013 - 18:34.


#159 jjcale

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:30

Why do people dislike MW exactly?


Cause he does things like recruit Sam Michaels.

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#160 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:35

I think that while US spectators are more familiar with the Telmex logo, Slim's Claro and Telcel companies are far more valuable. So if he did decide to become a title sponsor with McLaren, I imagine that Claro would be the primary sponsor, with Telcel and Telmex having a smaller presence.


Do you think Mclaren would get such a good a deal as they had with Vodafone? or do you think F1 is as popular in the US as it is in the rest of the world? Anyway, it is not pretty looking at what is going on with Mclaren. They may now begin to realise what a powerful marketing asset LH was to them.

If I were looking to invest in a F1 team at this point in time, it certainly won't be Mclaren.

#161 JRizzle86

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:39

Is Vodafone german owned or most of it?


No

#162 Gyan

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:48

Could be Lucozade as well. They already sponsored them on their rear wings for a few races.

A Lucozade Blue+Chrome livery might look interesting.

#163 midgrid

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:49

How long will it be before Electronic Cigarette companies are sponsoring F1 teams?;)


NiQuitin sponsored Williams ten years ago...
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#164 ElDictatore

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:52

Do you think Mclaren would get such a good a deal as they had with Vodafone? or do you think F1 is as popular in the US as it is in the rest of the world? Anyway, it is not pretty looking at what is going on with Mclaren. They may now begin to realise what a powerful marketing asset LH was to them.

If I were looking to invest in a F1 team at this point in time, it certainly won't be Mclaren.


It had nothing to do with Hamilton. If they will have a deal like Vodafone, I have no idea. I would prefer a smaller deal with the main sponsor and maybe some smaller sponsors. A big sponsor like Vodafone makes you vulnerable imho.
As it was stated earlier, McLaren has lost really big names in the early 90s (under Ron Dennis!) and they 'recovered'. It's not a sinking ship, it's a bit of a change.

Cause he does things like recruit Sam Michaels.



Also it's not THAT different under MW. He's not Ron Dennis for sure, but he's longer at McLaren than me following them. Moreover MW was chosen by Ron and he seems not so unhappy with it.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:19

In a slightly related note, Vodafone pulled their sponsorship of the Dublin GAA team as well today, and will end at the current season.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:22

In a slightly related note, Vodafone pulled their sponsorship of the Dublin GAA team as well today, and will end at the current season.


So it seems their departure is not related to Lewis's leaving at all.

Edited by Mc_Silver, 14 March 2013 - 19:22.


#167 Gintonious

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:24

So it seems their departure is not related to Lewis's leaving at all.


I doubt it, they moved to McLaren when Ferrari wouldn't drop Marlboro to get title sponsor (or so I read somewhere), but they have sponsored Dublin for the same amount of time as McLaren I believe.

#168 chumma

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:25

As I said, Vodafone have been losing money left right and centre because their coverage sucks. They will be pulling all sponsoring of major proportions and pursuing alternative marketing strategies that won't cost them as much but will still net high returns. It has nothing to do with Lewis leaving the team and it has nothing with performance etc, its all to do with Vodafone and their current economics.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:33

I've been a McLaren supporter since the 80s. I've seen Marlboro sponsorship come and go, I've seen West come and go, I'm now going to see Vodafone come and go. Am I worried? No...McLaren's a top team and an ideal sponsorship partner - they'll have no difficulty attracting a new deal.



McLaren fan with common sense, thats rare here :up:


McLaren put Vodafone on the whole new level of brand exposure, before 2007 they were only sticker on the Ferrari.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:56

I'm going with it being Emirates coming back, 2015 could be Emirates Mclaren Honda bet they will even still have a similar livery ;) just my two pence

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:58

I'm going with it being Emirates coming back, 2015 could be Emirates Mclaren Honda bet they will even still have a similar livery ;) just my two pence


Not a bad shout.

#172 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:13

McLaren fan with common sense, thats rare here :up:


McLaren put Vodafone on the whole new level of brand exposure, before 2007 they were only sticker on the Ferrari.


Wtf? Vodafone were on the sidepod of a Ferrari for three straight championships. I like to think they got something out of it.

#173 Owen

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:19

What I've heard mentioned online;

Emirates - interest has been openly declared, I've posted about this in the Mac thread
TelMex - obvious tie in with Checo
Coca Cola - hot rumour a while back until Burn went to Lotus, then it died down
GSK- due to the strategic tie in thats already in place. This is a very involved partnership already.

If you forced me to pick one, I'd say GSK.

#174 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:37

So it seems their departure is not related to Lewis's leaving at all.



My reference to LH is his presence at Mclaren would have made it easier to attract new sponsors not necessarily prevent Vodafone from leaving.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:39

I'm going with it being Emirates coming back, 2015 could be Emirates Mclaren Honda bet they will even still have a similar livery ;) just my two pence


I imagine, if there's a new main/title sponsor, the company demands significant changes in livery - even more so if it's in the same business as the previous sponsor was. I can't image a chrome/red/black McLaren where Telmex' stickers just replaced Vodafone's. After all, the title sponsor wants to get recognised... surely not just as "the company which replaced and looks like Vodafone".

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:43

So it seems their departure is not related to Lewis's leaving at all.


I think that incorrect theory was debunked many posts ago! Simply a review of all marketing activities by Vodafone- sports sponsorship is no longer part of their plans.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:45

I imagine, if there's a new main/title sponsor, the company demands significant changes in livery - even more so if it's in the same business as the previous sponsor was. I can't image a chrome/red/black McLaren where Telmex' stickers just replaced Vodafone's. After all, the title sponsor wants to get recognised... surely not just as "the company which replaced and looks like Vodafone".


See this picture, http://sevendesktop....-wallpaper.html before Vodafone ;) also Emirates want back into to F1 as a title sponsor, makes sense to me :)

#178 r4mses

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:49

Ye, but back then Emirates was no title sponsor and there was no similar looking livery with a major sponsor before... and when Vodafone came, they basically took over the whole car in 2007.

However, the MP4-21's is easily the best looking chrome livery McLaren had.

#179 Owen

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:54

Ye, but back then Emirates was no title sponsor and there was no similar looking livery with a major sponsor before... and when Vodafone came, they basically took over the whole car in 2007.

However, the MP4-21's is easily the best looking chrome livery McLaren had.

mac were pushing hard for the Vodafone deal to start in 06 but it never came off. The 06 livery with Chrome etc was designed for Vodafone, then 'interim' sponsors were drafted in to fill the void (Diageo and Emirates). I expect the 2014 livery to be something entirely new.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:57

Wtf? Vodafone were on the sidepod of a Ferrari for three straight championships. I like to think they got something out of it.


I know, but they got more popular with McLaren deal.

My point was, McLaren is perfect platform for marketing, Vodafone job is done, probably someone else is villing to pay more for wing space.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 23:02

If you ask me, it looks like McL's "colors" are just whatever the colors of the sponsor are. When they were sponsored by Marlboro, their colors were necessarily red and white. When sponsored by West they were grey/black/white, and when mainly vodafone mercedes they were silver with red bits.

Wests' primary colours are red-and-white though, see Zakspeed in the 80s as a car running their most typical colours. Allthough the grey/black/white was no doubt dropped because it had become associated with West after years of sponsorship (and with the colours being copied to a West-sponsored MotoGP team, too).

I agree that the Marlboro colours are nothing typical for McLaren though, lots of Marlboro sponsored cars looked exactly like it (BRM, Alfa Romeo in F1 even).

#182 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 23:03

I know, but they got more popular with McLaren deal.


Based on what?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 14:13

Cause he does things like recruit Sam Michaels.


Can you maybe elaborate a little? That does't mean much to me by itself. I'm not aware of Sam Michaels being some kind of terrible guy and that would be one employment decision among countless across several years of being tp.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 16:57

I know, but they got more popular with McLaren deal.

My point was, McLaren is perfect platform for marketing, Vodafone job is done, probably someone else is villing to pay more for wing space.



If they are in contention.

#185 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 17:02

Based on what?

Not sure about worldwide, but in the UK they surely got a lot more out of the Jenson-Lewis pairing than they did with Ferrari. I'd forgotten they were with the latter, whereas I rember things like the "drive to Silverstone in Jenson's VW van" video.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 18:25

http://www.formula1....13/3/14347.html

See the last question.

Is it just me that reads that almost as confirmation that Telmex is not the new title sponsor?

#187 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 18:49

"not in our plan at the moment" gives them plenty of cover to do things later

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 19:10

http://www.formula1....13/3/14347.html

See the last question.

Is it just me that reads that almost as confirmation that Telmex is not the new title sponsor?


you could read this in relation to "HONDA" engines too, from the previous questions.
could be TELMEX McLaren Mercedes or just not using the TELMEX brand, e.g. CLARO McLaren Honda/Mercedes or whoever.

it's early days, just let's wait and see, sure McLAren has some things compounding together "against" them at the moment.
Top driver, TD, main sponsor all leaving at the same time or at least in close proximity, for whatever reasons, related to each other or not.
It will shake up the organization and will take some time and (management) effort to settle/sort out.
Nevertheless they have been there before (Lauda,Prost,Senna - Banard,Newey - Marlboro,West - Honda etc.), and are still around and near the top of the tree.
These things happen from time to time, if they get it all sorted out and in line again, they could be in a good position, when these changes hit others.
For example (just hypothetical) Red Bull & Santander deciding, that they had enough from F1 and want to move on, this will effect others, where they (McLaren)
are at this time may have the stability on their side.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:32

Lets guess what types of Brands might suite Mclaren..

How about if the Maclaren push chair company sponsoring Mclaren?

Maclaren Mclaren Mercedes.



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Posted 15 March 2013 - 21:40

Mcdonalds Mclaren Mercedes?