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#1851 sanW10

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:04

any news on FA complaining about MS in Q2?

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#1852 Longtimefan

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:17

I can't believe I'm saying this but.. 'No!!! Don't give Mark a penalty!'

#1853 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:20

I can't believe I'm saying this but.. 'No!!! Don't give Mark a penalty!'

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#1854 Goron3

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:28

Woah, what a lap from Michael!!! I watched the whole lap live on sky sports and he was mighty throughout the whole lap.

I'll really miss him when he goes. Top driver and a true legend.

#1855 Tardis40

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:29

Starting fifth, he could easily be third on the first lap.


#1856 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:35

BetaVersion, your post in Ferrari thread is killing me. Can't stop laughing. You have been bad.

Starting fifth, he could easily be third on the first lap.

:up: :up: :up: :up:

Edited by ivand911, 17 November 2012 - 20:36.


#1857 George Costanza

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:40

I think Schu can get a podium finish here if it works out.
Then Brazil, he'll pull a 2006. Oh I wish.

#1858 MSCDesign

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:50

Michael to German Sky post Austin Qualifying:

We have struggled with the balance the entire weekend. But we have just worked and worked on the set-up, and in the end we got the car in the direction that we wanted. This worked very well for us in Qualifying, and I am very happy with what we achieved today. However, we don’t need to think about a podium tomorrow, that is too far away. With a strong start though, I may be able to be top 3 into turn 1, but to keep that position is going to be a very different story. It is important that I gain a place on the grid because of (Grosjean) getting a gearbox penalty, since it is going to be a massive difference to be on the clean side here. I will most likely have Alonso in my mirrors sometime in the race tomorrow, since he has a stronger package. But I will not let him pass easily, as I drive the race for my team, and will try to get the best result possible.


For Michael, qualifying was

“better than we expected, especially as we have struggled over the weekend and have worked hard to make progress and achieve such a solid job today.
Qualifying in sixth place is a good and important position for us as a team. I had a good lap in Q3 and everything felt right with the car so we were able to maximise the potential.
It will make a big difference here whether you start from the clean or dirty side of the grid, so gaining an extra place due to Grosjean’s penalty was a nice surprise. The car looks reasonably consistent for the race and I would like to achieve the maximum result possible tomorrow.


Edited by MSCDesign, 17 November 2012 - 21:00.


#1859 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:52

But it's the truth, though, isn't it?

Yes. You say nothing wrong. It is true.


http://www.motorspor...n-wahnsinn.html

"We have tried something new, with a view to the upcoming season and have returned to the exhaust as of a few months ago. We drove the system already on Friday and have it decided to also use the remainder of the weekend," said the German. But in qualifying the car felt not so good. "The car was not as fast and continue to be very difficult," Rosberg told.
The immense gap to team-mate Michael Schumacher surprised him. "It's been a crazy how much I've lost against Michael. As it is immediately away. It is already difficult to start from so far back, but I hope that our race pace is better, and the exchange was worth" revealed Rosberg. That the residue failed so immense, in his view, was on the track temperature.

The problem 'warm up tires' was already a topic on Friday. . "The distance was due to the cold conditions of much more violent when a car is a bit slower, you lose because of the temperatures, oversized lot," said Rosberg, and added: "Qualifying was a negative for me today, but I will do everything to come forward. "


Why they decided to use old exhaust on Nico car only, and if the result were good , how will this make Michael look? Michael didn't tried the old exhaust. They apparently expected better result for Nico with old exhaust. And they didn't care to much about Michael.

Edited by ivand911, 17 November 2012 - 21:03.


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#1860 BetaVersion

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:01

Yes. You say nothing wrong. It is true.


Some Alonso fans are funny, they trolled in MSC's threads everytime Michael had a bad day and mocked him more than he deserved. Now Fernando had a really crappy Q performance and they only blame Ferrari.

Imagine if it was MSC on Alonso's shoes today?

On a sidenote, it's somewhat extremelly odd to see a guy do a fantastic job, during a qualifying session, in a new and challenging circuit and know that he's been "kicked out of F1"(according to some).

So, F1 now is all about questionable(talent-wise) paydrivers like Bruno Senna, Bottas, Guttierrez, Perez.... and a skilled old driver have no place in it anymore :confused: F1 sucks

LMP1 teams should all start to phone Schumi and convince him to join WEC because I'm sure lot's of people would be keen to follow that series(with MSC in it) more than F1.

I already follow WEC because I think the LMP1 are somewhat great cars(albeit nothing like Group C era) with GREAT Michellin tires, with a driver of the level of Schumi driving it, it would be much more appealing to me than crappy current F1

Edited by BetaVersion, 17 November 2012 - 21:05.


#1861 Paco

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:05

Wonder if Michael will keep his nose clean and not get involved with another driver tomorrow.. Gonna be watching with 1 eye open and 1 eye closed ..

Good on him. Sticking it to MGP showing they should have given a 1yr+option for another offer vs signing up Lewis. Granted Lewis Might today.

Only image if MGP had Schumi and Schumi next year.. if only...


Edited by Paco, 17 November 2012 - 21:06.


#1862 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:13

The are idiots on this world who think ms can't ever do a mistake or be slow as there are idiots who can't see he's still a brilliant driver.

the man is a damn legend and we get to enjoy maybe his last laps in f1. yeah he may not be as fast or as consistent as he was in his 20's....but he's a damn brilliant driver and a top professional. I can't see any reason why people need to troll one way or the other.

#1863 Lelouch

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:16

The are idiots on this world who think ms can't ever do a mistake or be slow as there are idiots who can't see he's still a brilliant driver.

the man is a damn legend and we get to enjoy maybe his last laps in f1. yeah he may not be as fast or as consistent as he was in his 20's....but he's a damn brilliant driver and a top professional. I can't see any reason why people need to troll one way or the other.

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#1864 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:21

also under investigation... what a pussy sport. Alonso lost nothing because of it. Only because of his crying

#1865 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:22

also under investigation... what a pussy sport. Alonso lost nothing because of it. Only because of his crying

It is crybaby sport now. Alonso one of the biggest.


#1866 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:27

It is crybaby sport now. Alonso one of the biggest.


they need sanctions for demanding penalties like you have in football. waving and crying over team radio destroys completely the thought of fair play

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:35

If Webber is penalised more than 5 places, I wonder whether you could have the situation where Michael tries to convince the stewards that he held Fernando up, whilst Fernando tries to say that he didn't.

#1868 Paco

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:35

they need sanctions for demanding penalties like you have in football. waving and crying over team radio destroys completely the thought of fair play


EXACTLY :clap: :clap:

Unless a driver seriously with reason impedes a driver in qualifying on purpose .. then.. MAYBE.. JUST MAYBE there might be a reason to open an investigation ie a team mate slows down a champship contendor on purpose to ruin a rival teams drivers lap.

EVEN Then.. i say tough luck. Team should have been smarter when sending you out now to put you in that type of situation.

All this hand waiving and fustration cause someone didnt see you in their mirriors during qualifying is bs. Just get on with driving your lap already.

I totally agree, if a team opens a protest or investigation and it is deemed a drivng incident - both driver and team should be penalized (qualifying, 2 grid places, race, 10 points and team 250,000 fine minimum.

What happens on track.. should be just that unless a MAJOR incident happens and needs to be investigated. Let duals finish out at the end of session - be it a qualifying or race. NONE OF THIS BS.. after the session rulings.

F1 - STOP WITH THE MADNESS already and making this a gentlemens sport. God I miss Villeneuve, Rock m sock Schumi, Juan Pablo, Irvine, Alesi etc. All this ---- but he impeded me.. please help me.. please.. pretty please.. get some compensation for something some else did.. i swear it was not my fault.. he got in my REALLY REALLY Slow way.

Edited by Paco, 17 November 2012 - 21:44.


#1869 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:37

andrewbensonf1: Re Mercedes, apparently @nico_rosberg had a new part on his car that didn't work; Schumacher didn't have it. Hence Schumacher's big gap
andrewbensonf1: Michael Schumacher and @alo_oficial have been in to the see the stewards, presumably over Schumacher's block in Q2.

Blocking in Q2?? What a joke. Alonso is pathetic loser.

#1870 MSCDesign

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:43

No further action taken against Michael Schumacher for moment with Fernando Alonso in Q1. Webber given a reprimand.

#1871 Diablobb81

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:44

No penalty.

Alo is a whiner. Michael had nowhere to go.

#1872 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:44

No further action taken against Michael Schumacher for moment with Fernando Alonso in Q1. Webber given a reprimand.

:up:

#1873 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:54

Michael kept his 5th, fingers crossed. After Ferrari didn't get other drivers punished, I hear Massa went to steward office to indict himself in wrong doing. He pleaded stewards to give him 5 place penalty. So, Alonso to get cleaner side of the track.
It is a circus.

#1874 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:00

Michael kept his 5th, fingers crossed. After Ferrari didn't get other drivers punished, I hear Massa went to steward office to indict himself in wrong doing. He pleaded stewards to give him 5 place penalty. So, Alonso to get cleaner side of the track.
It is a circus.


You are not serious? That is not true

#1875 Longtimefan

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:00

Michael kept his 5th, fingers crossed. After Ferrari didn't get other drivers punished, I hear Massa went to steward office to indict himself in wrong doing. He pleaded stewards to give him 5 place penalty. So, Alonso to get cleaner side of the track.
It is a circus.


LOL, I almost believed that for a second :rotfl:

Edited by Longtimefan, 17 November 2012 - 22:00.


#1876 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:08

You are not serious? That is not true

OK, he was at the steward office and this is my "interpretation" of the events.  ;)

andrewbensonf1 And @Felipe1Massa has also been in to the stewards' office. Not sure why yet. No verdict on any of investigations yet


Edited by ivand911, 17 November 2012 - 22:18.


#1877 Rikhart

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:19

Schumi was tremendous today, on the most dificult track of the season! Hope it holds in the race. A podium would be brilliant, behind vettel and raikkonen :p

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:21

Schumi was tremendous today, on the most dificult track of the season! Hope it holds in the race. A podium would be brilliant, behind vettel and raikkonen :p


ohh it really really would!! a podium with any other 2 would be awesome.

But.. I'm not getting my hopes up, I've fallen for that too many times this season, I'm just expecting his race pace to be poor and the car to drop back and back all race.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:26

Have Michael's car went therough post qualify FIA check up safe and sound?

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#1880 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:28

Have Michael's car went therough post qualify FIA check up safe and sound?

Why, he just dodged another penalty? I guess car was OK.

Edited by ivand911, 17 November 2012 - 22:29.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:42

Why, he just dodged another penalty? I guess car was OK.


Just asking, that is all.

The gap to his team mate was exceptionally large.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 23:04

Still so fast but Merc have messed him around for 3 years.

#1883 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 23:10

ohh it really really would!! a podium with any other 2 would be awesome.

But.. I'm not getting my hopes up, I've fallen for that too many times this season, I'm just expecting his race pace to be poor and the car to drop back and back all race.


Impossible, hoping for top6 at least with a bit of luck. And rain in brazil and a victory ;)

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 01:49

They couldn't penalise him because he was attempting a fast lap as much as alonso was, therefore it is actually impossible to penalise him for blocking. If they could have they would have of course, but even the F1 stewards cannot invent new rules on the spot to penalise him ;)

Edited by baddog, 18 November 2012 - 01:50.


#1885 ivand911

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:53

Both drivers were not in fast lap.

But after looking into the incident, the officials decided no action was required as neither driver was on a flying lap at the time.

"Both drivers advised that they were on their first (preparation) lap of a multi-lap stint and were able to continue their respective laps," said a stewards' statement.



#1886 sanW10

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:25

I have no expectations, I just want to see the man have a great race. :)

Race timing here in India is 00:30-02:30, got work at 7am too :p
game on!

Edited by sanW10, 18 November 2012 - 08:29.


#1887 DutchCruijff

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:27

Alright Mike, let's do this. Romain and Mark to pave way for a podium spot.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:48

Both drivers were not in fast lap.

Ah, THAT's the post i was looking for. Up until now I wasn't sure if Alonso was on a hotlap but he wasn't. The replay already was pretty late.

I call these radio messages the pressure getting to him (FA).

#1889 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:23

It would be awesome to see Schumacher on the podium once again. Hopefully Mark fluffs his start and Schumacher gets past.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:42

If Michael wins tomorrow i would be elated, :clap:
but on the other hand i would never trust F1 as a sport again, but suspect a WWF like fixing :cat:

Edited by Martijn, 18 November 2012 - 10:43.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:49

If Michael wins tomorrow i would be elated, :clap:
but on the other hand i would never trust F1 as a sport again, but suspect a WWF like fixing :cat:


Come on, some realistic view please! A top-5 finish would be incredible. But I bet in 7-8 place

#1892 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:35

Come on, some realistic view please! A top-5 finish would be incredible. But I bet in 7-8 place

kind of what I would also expect. Based on performance - top 10 but I guess some cars will get into incidents/trouble so we'll see how much they can pick up from there.

This is considering they are not the ones into trouble or reliability issues

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:52

Logically Schumacher will drop back atleast two positions; Alonso and Button should get him, maybe Massa and Grosjean as well.
...but, he pulled off a great lap in qualifying and is very likely to score a couple of deserved points.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:54

If Michael wins tomorrow i would be elated, :clap:
but on the other hand i would never trust F1 as a sport again, but suspect a WWF like fixing :cat:

Races on monday? Somebody didn't get the memo ;)

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:04

Logically Schumacher will drop back atleast two positions; Alonso and Button should get him, maybe Massa and Grosjean as well.
...but, he pulled off a great lap in qualifying and is very likely to score a couple of deserved points.

I think overtaking will be hard on the track. He can be 3rd after first lap, will he(car) mange to keep up with the leaders is interesting. Or not to lose much at least. I hope for some freak coincidence.

Edited by ivand911, 18 November 2012 - 12:05.


#1896 DutchCruijff

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:08

Were the long runs even comparable to the usual top teams?

#1897 ivand911

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:24

http://184.106.145.7.....Lap Times.pdf
It is hard to say.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:32

Schumacher is on the clean side of the circuit on the grid, but I think it'll take longer for his tyres to get up to operating temperature compared to the cars around him which will make for a worrying first few laps.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:41

I think they all will have problems in first 1-2 laps. Clean side will help with heating too. He need clean start and to leave other behind him to scramble.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:49

Webber has consistently made poor starts, this time he has the dirty line as added disadvantage. Realistically though being behind Webber would be better because assuming there's no failures Webber will finish ahead of Schumacher. The Red Bull is so much faster it'll leap frog in pit stops no worries, battling to keep Webber behind might be detrimental.

Schumacher was amazing in qualifying, but now the full length race will tell a different story. While Schumacher races well the Mercedes doesn't... cars failing ahead is the only way a podium can be achieves.

Alonso and Button will be an issue too.