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Who will get the chance at Ferrari?

  1. Felipe Massa (160 votes [44.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

  2. Paul di Resta (26 votes [7.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.22%

  3. Nico Hülkenberg (67 votes [18.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.61%

  4. Michael Schumacher (85 votes [23.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.61%

  5. Kimi Raikkönen (16 votes [4.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.44%

  6. Jules Bianchi (6 votes [1.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.67%

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#1 FerrariAlonso

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:15

I have hated this question till now, but after yesterday I think this matter will be resolved quite soon. My initial feeling is that Felipe will get another year, especially if rumours that Sebastin will join Ferrari in 2014, are true. Paul and Nico could be an option, some rumours have made rounds about is. Schumi, Kimi and Jules are just some more options, but obviously there is not much chance for them to happen.

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#2 Wheels23

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:20

Massa.

Why? He is getting better and it is easier than paying more money for Raikkonen and Schumacher. Hulkenberg and Di Resta seem like longer term investments, so no. That's why I think Perez didn't get a drive with Ferrari.

#3 Ravenak

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:23

My heart says Schumacher.

My mind says Massa.

My guts say Hülkenberg.

Edited by Ravenak, 29 September 2012 - 13:23.


#4 Clatter

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:31

Massa will get another year, not because of his performance but because Ferrari want a seat filler for 2013. No one else is going to sign up for just one season of playing lapdog. It would be an absolute career killer.

#5 krapmeister

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:35

Just to throw it out there, Jaime Alguersuari?

#6 Ravenak

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:37

Just to throw it out there, Jaime Alguersuari?


Unrealistic, as he has already signed a racing seat a few days/weeks ago.

#7 Showty

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:40

I´m all for Schumacher, i hope at this point Schumi´s people are constantly harrasing LdM.

But i´m pretty sure Massa will stay for one year.

#8 Clatter

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:40

Unrealistic, as he has already signed a racing seat a few days/weeks ago.


Who with?

#9 krapmeister

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:40

Unrealistic, as he has already signed a racing seat a few days/weeks ago.


Ok but... do we know for who?

#10 Ravenak

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 13:42

Who with?


He did not say, but confirmed it. Sauber is most likely.

#11 The Kanisteri

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:05

I actually hope Michael Schumacher goest to Ferrari. Pack of all time evil team would be complete: Two F1's history's most dirtiest drivers ever in F1's history's dirtiest team ever. :lol:

#12 Ravenak

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:08

I actually hope Michael Schumacher goest to Ferrari. Pack of all time evil team would be complete: Two F1's history's most dirtiest drivers ever in F1's history's dirtiest team ever. :lol:


I think a FA/MS association at Ferrari could easily be called "Team of the Millenium" :p

#13 OSX

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:16

Massa will get another year, not because of his performance but because Ferrari want a seat filler for 2013. No one else is going to sign up for just one season of playing lapdog. It would be an absolute career killer.

Ditto. What di Montezemolo really meant when he made the absurd claim that Perez isn't ready for Ferrari is that Perez wasn't ready to sacrifice himself and play the second fiddle to Alonso like Ferrari demanded.

#14 ZooL

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:20

If Alonso wants Massa, Ferrari will give him Massa.

Ferrari are silly. They are sacrificing their own chances at CC just to make ALonso physchologically happy.

#15 OSX

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:40

If Alonso wants Massa, Ferrari will give him Massa.

Ferrari are silly. They are sacrificing their own chances at CC just to make ALonso physchologically happy.

Any true F1 fan will agree with you but marketing-wise it makes sense for Ferrari to make Alonso look as good as possible. And there's no really any other way since Alonso has admitted that he has a say on who's his teammate is going to be meaning it's in his contract.

#16 cruck12

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:42

Since the British GP onwards

Massa has scored 40 points
Fernando - 83
Button - 69
Lewis - 54
Sebastien 80
Webber - 41
Kimi - 76

Tbh, i dont see why people say Felipe has been performing shit O.o ?
As shit as Webber ?? How is it that bad ?

Mclaren drivers have had reliability issues ( and grosjean for hami )

I think He has an acceptable No.2 to Alonso performance the second half of this season.
And if Vettel rumors are true, then he is a perfect choice for 2013.
If Ferrari actually produce a good, fast yet balanced car, then He will do even better.

#17 whoisjohngalt

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:45

I personally would really like to give that seat to Robert Kubica.

#18 King Six

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:49

Probably Massa. It would be awesome if they signed Schumacher for 2013 instead, what have they got to lose.

#19 OSX

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:49

I personally would really like to give that seat to Robert Kubica.

Well, Kubica would have gotten that seat already had fate not decided otherwise.

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#20 carbonfibre

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:54

Would love to see Schumacher back at Ferrari. Im pretty sure he wouldnt be any less then Massa and he would be a good teamplayer and an inspiration for the team again. If only dreams would come true...

#21 OSX

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:56

It would be awesome if they signed Schumacher for 2013 instead, what have they got to lose.

The shine of the aura of Schumacher's Ferrari glory days.


#22 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:03

Would love to see Schumacher back at Ferrari. Im pretty sure he wouldnt be any less then Massa and he would be a good teamplayer and an inspiration for the team again. If only dreams would come true...

Oh come on, you must be joking right? At least Massa doesn't crash into other cars because of low responsiveness. Schumachers days are over, he's too old which is proven by his lack of attention when cars in front of him make sudden movements.

#23 Clatter

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:15

Since the British GP onwards

Massa has scored 40 points
Fernando - 83
Button - 69
Lewis - 54
Sebastien 80
Webber - 41
Kimi - 76

Tbh, i dont see why people say Felipe has been performing shit O.o ?
As shit as Webber ?? How is it that bad ?

Mclaren drivers have had reliability issues ( and grosjean for hami )

I think He has an acceptable No.2 to Alonso performance the second half of this season.
And if Vettel rumors are true, then he is a perfect choice for 2013.
If Ferrari actually produce a good, fast yet balanced car, then He will do even better.


And before Silverstone he had only scored 11 points. Some people have longer memories and can see beyond the last few races.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:16

andrewbensonf1 Incidentally, new info casts more doubt on @Felipe1Massa staying at Ferrari - good source says @NicoHulkenberg deal already done


andrewbensonf1 Problem is, an equally good - if not probably better - source says @Felipe1Massa is still most likely to stay but @NicoHulkenberg key option


Edited by Vesuvius, 29 September 2012 - 15:16.


#25 cruck12

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:27

And before Silverstone he had only scored 11 points. Some people have longer memories and can see beyond the last few races.



Well then for sure those people would have seen 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 :wave:

#26 Clatter

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:29

Well then for sure those people would have seen 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 :wave:


Yep, and it's a good indicator that his performance is on the wain.

#27 Lotusseven

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:30

I think it will be Nico Hulkenberg because he is the only one Fernando Alonso don´t know so well but he follow him on twitter.
It´s a kind of "read between the lines" theories. ( I know it´s wierd to think Alo only follow Hulk because they going to be team mates 2013,
but I´m 99% sure that´s the case.) I also think Nico Hulkenberg is the only one as agree on a 1 year deal.

#28 Clatter

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:44

I think it will be Nico Hulkenberg because he is the only one Fernando Alonso don´t know so well but he follow him on twitter.
It´s a kind of "read between the lines" theories. ( I know it´s wierd to think Alo only follow Hulk because they going to be team mates 2013,
but I´m 99% sure that´s the case.) I also think Nico Hulkenberg is the only one as agree on a 1 year deal.


Why do you think Hulk would be happy to take a 1 year deal? Unless he has no contract for next year already.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:46

To follow on with the Andrew Benson tweets. @GrilloRampante can be a tease at times.

The full conversation so far.....


andrewbensonf1 Incidentally, new info casts more doubt on @Felipe1Massa staying at Ferrari - good source says @NicoHulkenberg deal already done

andrewbensonf1 Problem is, an equally good - if not probably better - source says @Felipe1Massa is still most likely to stay but @NicoHulkenberg key option

@GrilloRampante @andrewbensonf1 Too many good sources, isn't it?

@andrewbensonf1 @GrilloRampante :) one of them will be right

@GrilloRampante @andrewbensonf1 Maybe yes, maybe not...

The Horse Whisperer always talks in riddles. :lol:

#30 seltaeb

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:46

I would be shocked if Ferrari kept Massa again. How many years in a row are we going to have this conversation? I don't know how he's dodged the bullet this long, to be honest.

Edited by seltaeb, 29 September 2012 - 20:19.


#31 Clatter

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:48

To follow on with the Andrew Benson tweets. @GrilloRampante can be a tease at times.

The full conversation so far.....


andrewbensonf1 Incidentally, new info casts more doubt on @Felipe1Massa staying at Ferrari - good source says @NicoHulkenberg deal already done

andrewbensonf1 Problem is, an equally good - if not probably better - source says @Felipe1Massa is still most likely to stay but @NicoHulkenberg key option

@GrilloRampante @andrewbensonf1 Too many good sources, isn't it?

@andrewbensonf1 @GrilloRampante :) one of them will be right

@GrilloRampante @andrewbensonf1 Maybe yes, maybe not...

The Horse Whisperer always talks in riddles. :lol:


Think he is covering all bases and no matter what happens can say he was right.

#32 Barri

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 15:54

I think it will be Nico Hulkenberg because he is the only one Fernando Alonso don´t know so well but he follow him on twitter.
It´s a kind of "read between the lines" theories. ( I know it´s wierd to think Alo only follow Hulk because they going to be team mates 2013,
but I´m 99% sure that´s the case.) I also think Nico Hulkenberg is the only one as agree on a 1 year deal.

why would it be Hulkengerg if they had Perez?
Kovalainen would have been the only one to accept that deal, but even him does not want to waste a year driving for Alonso. Then you have Schumacher, would he go back to Ferrari to drive for Alonso? I think not
Now, if Alonso does not win the DC, they will be extremely frustrated and they will, somehow, blame Massa for it, and then I could see Massa leaving the team. As for now, most likely, Massa will stay.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:04

Ditto. What di Montezemolo really meant when he made the absurd claim that Perez isn't ready for Ferrari is that Perez wasn't ready to sacrifice himself and play the second fiddle to Alonso like Ferrari demanded.


Its funny only so few people reach this conclusion. Only every few years a talent pops up who can out-perform the car he drives. Pairing him with FA could easily break his spirit, and his F1 career with it. LdM was stating the obvious. As to the OP, from the list the most probable candidates are NH and PdR. Bianchi is too young, MS obviously not, I am relatively sure KR will stay on another year at Lotus, his contract is binding AFAIK, and I think they are a little tired of Massa, they have given him every possible opprtunity they could. From those two which one will be FA's teammate, I don't have a clue. Personally, I would give NH a run for his money.


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:09

Why do you think Hulk would be happy to take a 1 year deal? Unless he has no contract for next year already.


Well, Mallaya say it will be no change in FI for 2013, but I think it will. Even if FI offers Hulk to continue 1 years with them, I think Hulk is more interested in Ferrari.
The "Rheinische Post" wrote that the Force India driver (Hulk) had traveled in the five-week summer break to Maranello in order to sign a letter of intent.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:12

Well, Mallaya say it will be no change in FI for 2013, but I think it will. Even if FI offers Hulk to continue 1 years with them, I think Hulk is more interested in Ferrari.
The "Rheinische Post" wrote that the Force India driver (Hulk) had traveled in the five-week summer break to Maranello in order to sign a letter of intent.


Still can't see why he would be happy to take a 1 year contract.

#36 Ravenak

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:17

Still can't see why he would be happy to take a 1 year contract.


Nobody says he has to take a one-year contract.

I think and I hope the Vettel stories are pure BS. If a guy like Hülk convinces them he's an excellent driver scoring 75% of Alonso's points, then why not extend him?

Rather than bring in Finger Boy.

#37 muramasa

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:22


it would be indeed funny if Ferrari take up Hulk while not taking Perez option.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:24

it would be indeed funny if Ferrari take up Hulk while not taking Perez option.


Why?


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:30

Nobody says he has to take a one-year contract.

I think and I hope the Vettel stories are pure BS. If a guy like Hülk convinces them he's an excellent driver scoring 75% of Alonso's points, then why not extend him?

Rather than bring in Finger Boy.


I can't see any realistic reason why they would take Hulk over Perez.

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#40 Ravenak

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:33

I can't see any realistic reason why they would take Hulk over Perez.


I would have agreed with you if you had written "any good reason", but "any realistic reason" just doesn't make any sense.

If he's good, cheap and Alonso's happy with him, that's not realistic enough for you?

Plus: Pérez might extend with McLaren, or they might even be angry at him and his management for joining Macca, who knows.

Now that's realistic.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:37

Why?

While it's impossible to compare Perez and Hulk, Perez did perform and deliver, and he's nothing but a driver invested by Ferrari. Hulk is not as impressive, and comprehensively beaten by Rubens in a team he was groomed and loved. Seriously, if Hulk was Japanese, people would say "oh another japanese who struggled in F1","well, doing great in junior category doesnt mean he thrives in F1, shame but that's F1", and he wouldve been forgotten looooong long time ago. To some degree the same can be said to di Resta who at best was as impressive as Sutil who was well beaten by Fisi.

Nothing can be funnier than "not ready for Ferrari", as Massa wasnt really ready at all when he joined Ferrari. Massa, too, wouldve been dumped as long time ago as in the middle of 2010 if he were Japanese or any driver without certain ties to Ferrari.


#42 Marbles

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:42

The only thing I know for sure about Ferrari is that for several years I haven't had a clue what they're up to.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:49

While it's impossible to compare Perez and Hulk, Perez did perform and deliver, and he's nothing but a driver invested by Ferrari. Hulk is not as impressive, and comprehensively beaten by Rubens in a team he was groomed and loved. Seriously, if Hulk was Japanese, people would say "oh another japanese who struggled in F1","well, doing great in junior category doesnt mean he thrives in F1, shame but that's F1", and he wouldve been forgotten looooong long time ago. To some degree the same can be said to di Resta who at best was as impressive as Sutil who was well beaten by Fisi.

Nothing can be funnier than "not ready for Ferrari", as Massa wasnt really ready at all when he joined Ferrari. Massa, too, wouldve been dumped as long time ago as in the middle of 2010 if he were Japanese or any driver without certain ties to Ferrari.


Few posts above yours the 'not ready for Ferrari' LdM statement was adequately explained, IMHO. As to Massa, you are completely wrong. Back then, testing was king, and Massa was perfectly groomed for that Ferrari seat. First, he tested several thousand Kms for Ferrari, then he was on lease from ferrari at sauber, simultaneously testing for Ferrari, He left Sauber when Ferrari considered him to be ready. He was and is a very good development driver, with perfect understanding and knowledge of the team and the car when he was signed. Simply put, Perez is too talented, too eager, and too ambitious, and too Latin to pair up with Alonso. NH, or PdR is a way better option atm.


#44 tarmac

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:55

Putting Vettel at Ferrari in 2014 when Alonso is there is just asking for it..

Never gonna happen

Edited by tarmac, 29 September 2012 - 16:55.


#45 Clatter

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:02

I would have agreed with you if you had written "any good reason", but "any realistic reason" just doesn't make any sense.

If he's good, cheap and Alonso's happy with him, that's not realistic enough for you?

Plus: Pérez might extend with McLaren, or they might even be angry at him and his management for joining Macca, who knows.

Now that's realistic.


Doesn't matter if they are angry with Perez now or not, they had already rejected him as being too inexperienced before he signed. Hulk is no more experienced, so if Ferrari's words are to be taken at face value then I cannot see a realistic chance of him going there for 2013.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:04

The only thing I know for sure about Ferrari is that for several years I haven't had a clue what they're up to.


It's fairly obvious what they are up to. They have one star driver and put all their eggs into that basket.

#47 jrg19

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:05

I think Hulk has signed.

#48 PinkZepStones

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:08

Wheres the Kobayashi option.


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#49 muramasa

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 18:01

Few posts above yours the 'not ready for Ferrari' LdM statement was adequately explained, IMHO.

which in my opinion is nothing but funny.

As to Massa, you are completely wrong. Back then, testing was king, and Massa was perfectly groomed for that Ferrari seat. First, he tested several thousand Kms for Ferrari, then he was on lease from ferrari at sauber, simultaneously testing for Ferrari, He left Sauber when Ferrari considered him to be ready.

If Massa was perfectly groomed and ready back then, then Perez is multiple times more perfectly ready than Massa.
Sure, test driver back then could get hugely more in-car mileage than current test drivers can, but still the role wasnt any more significant than currently is. That some drivers got regular seat through testing role route while some didnt hasnt really changed much.

He was and is a very good development driver, with perfect understanding and knowledge of the team and the car when he was signed.

Massa sure had potential and is indeed a good driver, but he was picked up by Ferrari coz son of then-team boss was his manager, and still remains in the team coz they have some business relationship with Massa family.

Simply put, Perez is too talented, too eager, and too ambitious, and too Latin to pair up with Alonso. NH, or PdR is a way better option atm.

If that's what Ferrari want, that's it then, up to them.
But if the several rumors that they want Vettel or wouldve picked Kubica already had he not injured, or even Hamilton, and have no hesitation to pair one of them alongside Alonso, are true or have some ground, then that they refuse Perez because he's too talented, eager and amitious doesnt make sense anymore. What's wrong if Perez match up well against Alonso in the first place?



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Posted 29 September 2012 - 18:03

Scary statistic. After 2012, Massa will have started 120 races for Ferrari, which is more than anyone bar Schumacher. If he finishes 2013 there, it becomes 140! :eek: