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Michael Schumacher's future after Mercedes

  1. Ferrari (63 votes [21.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.07%

  2. Lotus (3 votes [1.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.00%

  3. Sauber (55 votes [18.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.39%

  4. Force India (1 votes [0.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.33%

  5. Williams (7 votes [2.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.34%

  6. Toro Rosso (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Marussia (3 votes [1.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.00%

  8. Caterham (2 votes [0.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.67%

  9. HRT (17 votes [5.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.69%

  10. Retirement (138 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  11. Other (please specify) (10 votes [3.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.34%

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#101 kosmos

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 09:11

Funny. I thought he came back because he wasn't enjoying life away from F1. So not a great suggestion!?


Probably he will have another view of life now that his come back has been a failure.

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#102 krobinson

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:34

. As management, he can bring a lot of insight, expertise and knowledge to any team.... and what better that a team that is known to be pure racers.

Alain Prost, the Professor, was an utter failure as a team boss. Wayne Gretzky, the best Hockey player of all times, was an utter failure as a coach. There are more examples like that.

I think that because he has no management experience, then in that job he would simply fail, just like most other drivers would too. I really don't see what he could give Lotus as a team boss.
He and Kimi don't seem to be the biggest of friends either.

#103 sharo

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:39

..................
He and Kimi don't seem to be the biggest of friends either.

Actually I think this is a positive factor to be teammates.

#104 garoidb

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:51

Alain Prost, the Professor, was an utter failure as a team boss. Wayne Gretzky, the best Hockey player of all times, was an utter failure as a coach. There are more examples like that.

I think that because he has no management experience, then in that job he would simply fail, just like most other drivers would too. I really don't see what he could give Lotus as a team boss.
He and Kimi don't seem to be the biggest of friends either.


Yes. There is no reason to think a good, or even great, driver will be a good team manager in the modern era. Prost is a great example. I suppose Stewart is the other one to really try to do it in the last twenty years, but he too got out of it quickly (albeit successfully, certainly compared to Prost). It is hard to know what else MS could turn his hand to, if ambassador type roles do not fulfil him.

#105 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:05

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#106 Sakae

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:22

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Crocodile tears at Bild.de? How touching. :)

#107 Szoelloe

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:43

Crocodile tears at Bild.de? How touching. :)


Yeah, a bunch of very Bild-like BS.


#108 WatchingF1since4yearsold

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 13:04

Sauber or retirement.

#109 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 13:06

Yeah, a bunch of very Bild-like BS.


Yeah the same Bild am Sonntag BS was publishing the first official picture of the W02.... :rolleyes:

of course Bild like to fantasise but I think one should listen to the words of Sabine Kehm (Manager of MSC, not PressLady like Ferrari days)

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 30 September 2012 - 13:09.


#110 Szoelloe

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 13:09

Yeah the same Bild am Sonntag BS was publishing the first official picture of the W02.... :rolleyes:


And your point is? After all, they should have most of Germany's paparazzis on payroll.


#111 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 13:17

And your point is? After all, they should have most of Germany's paparazzis on payroll.


Yawn, they are well connected and the picture was a rendering. They needed an army of snappers to get that!

#112 Sof1

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 16:19

I have been hearing a lot of chatter on Twitter #Schumacher all in the direction of Ferrari. It might all be hopes and wishes but it seems thats the general sentiment for the fans!

Also it would be great for Formula 1 in general if Michael went back to Ferrari.

#113 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 16:51

I have been hearing a lot of chatter on Twitter #Schumacher all in the direction of Ferrari. It might all be hopes and wishes but it seems thats the general sentiment for the fans!

Also it would be great for Formula 1 in general if Michael went back to Ferrari.



I also read that he will race in Sauber with Ferrari back-up.

#114 Galko877

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 16:56

Whether it's Ferrari, Lotus, Williams or Sauber (the latter is the likely one IMO) I just hope he beats Mercedes next year.

#115 Szoelloe

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 17:00

Whether it's Ferrari, Lotus, Williams or Sauber (the latter is the likely one IMO) I just hope he beats Mercedes next year.


While I share your hopes, I hardly think either will happen. Lets just enjoy( if there will be anything to enjoy at all...) the next 6 races.


#116 Victor

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 17:28

Schumacher should sign for Audi. He started his career in sport cars and he did very well. It would be nice seeing him winning at Le Mans.
And it would probably annoy Mercedes too.

#117 MSchumi

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:24

I think Schumacher would regret it if he retired now. It would be 2006 all over again. He needs to get that 1-2 more years to be truly done with F1.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:31

While I don't feel he has lost any speed/skill, I do feel he has been exposed against a much stronger field of drivers and without the privileges he previously enjoyed, he does not have the necessary talent to remain in Formula 1.

Edited by Jimmy, 30 September 2012 - 18:33.


#119 ayali

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:40

I think Schumacher would regret it if he retired now. It would be 2006 all over again. He needs to get that 1-2 more years to be truly done with F1.

That is a thing to seriously consider for Michael, he knows how tough it has been to get back into F1 driver form/rhythm and if he stops now it will be final.

I think he'll turn up in some FiA role next year, bet Todt has been on the phone to him already

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#120 Cult

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:44

While I don't feel he has lost any speed/skill, I do feel he has been exposed against a much stronger field of drivers and without the privileges he previously enjoyed, he does not have the necessary talent to remain in Formula 1.



This makes no sense, you're saying that he's the same as in his peak (losing no speed/skill) but as the most successful driver of all-time he does not have the necessary talent to remain in Formula 1.

#121 Lotusseven

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:45

DTM or retirement.

#122 ali_M

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:46

While I don't feel he has lost any speed/skill, I do feel he has been exposed against a much stronger field of drivers and without the privileges he previously enjoyed, he does not have the necessary talent to remain in Formula 1.


This is a rubbish claim. Very rubbish indeed.

He has aged and he has not been in a good car either. It's plain to see, but you know... perspective is a hell of a thing. You look at another driver and hold him on a pedestal for winning championships in the same circumstances as Michael... but of course, the circumstances aren't the same from your perspective as well. He may go overboard and have moments of impaired judgement in his quest to win. He's paid his dues in this regard... over and over again. However, the ability behind those 7 championships and 91 wins cannot be denied. No-one else has even come close. This so called stronger field has a number of drivers who haven't been able to quite get to that championship year after year. This is how it has always been.

It's truly an amazing thing to see individuals continue to discredit his achievements simply because they dislike him. It kills the credibility in even the dislike that may have been otherwise understandable. It kills all respect for the opinion expressed.

Edited by ali_M, 30 September 2012 - 18:49.


#123 exmayol

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:48

While I don't feel he has lost any speed/skill, I do feel he has been exposed against a much stronger field of drivers and without the privileges he previously enjoyed, he does not have the necessary talent to remain in Formula 1.


This is the man who got pole in Monaco, had a number of strong drives and spectacular battles with top dogs you are talking about. If he does not have the talent then who does?

#124 man

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:54

While I don't feel he has lost any speed/skill, I do feel he has been exposed against a much stronger field of drivers and without the privileges he previously enjoyed, he does not have the necessary talent to remain in Formula 1.


Agreed - he hasn't lost what he had. I would say his win-at-all cost attitude is clearly still there and more so than any other driver - its just that the competition is a lot better than it was and it has proved too much for him without the comfortable set-up had had earlier in his career. I do think what he has to offer can still enable him to get a drive in F1 but just further down the grid. If Sauber are not interested it leaves the tail enders although he could be very useful and productive with his experience as is PDLR for example.

#125 ali_M

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 18:54

This is the man who got pole in Monaco, had a number of strong drives and spectacular battles with top dogs you are talking about. If he does not have the talent then who does?


It seems quite clear that Michael's ability to consistently deliver as he used to has declined. Either that, or he is having trouble being genuinely motivated when driving in the midfield, something understandable at his stage. However, he does seem to come alive when he's in the top 5.

It's not so much his current ability, but what of next year and the year after. These older drivers so often fall off like one's eyes with presbyopia. One minute you're able to see and the next, you can't. I don't know how many here have experienced the suddenness of some aspects of aging. He seems to be on it now, but he's not a good long term solution for any team. One has to think carefully of even a 1 yr solution. Even Michael HIMSELF is thinking carefully about it and likely already has finished doing so.

#126 exmayol

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 19:02

It seems quite clear that Michael's ability to consistently deliver as he used to has declined. Either that, or he is having trouble being genuinely motivated when driving in the midfield, something understandable at his stage. However, he does seem to come alive when he's in the top 5.

It's not so much his current ability, but what of next year and the year after. These older drivers so often fall off like one's eyes with presbyopia. One minute you're able to see and the next, you can't. I don't know how many here have experienced the suddenness of some aspects of aging. He seems to be on it now, but he's not a good long term solution for any team. One has to think carefully of even a 1 yr solution. Even Michael HIMSELF is thinking carefully about it and likely already has finished doing so.


I fully share the concern about possible abrupt decline.

#127 Longtimefan

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 19:13

lol @ the 10 bitter people who voted HRT. :D


#128 Fondmetal

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 19:13

It seems quite clear that Michael's ability to consistently deliver as he used to has declined. Either that, or he is having trouble being genuinely motivated when driving in the midfield, something understandable at his stage. However, he does seem to come alive when he's in the top 5.

It's not so much his current ability, but what of next year and the year after. These older drivers so often fall off like one's eyes with presbyopia. One minute you're able to see and the next, you can't. I don't know how many here have experienced the suddenness of some aspects of aging. He seems to be on it now, but he's not a good long term solution for any team. One has to think carefully of even a 1 yr solution. Even Michael HIMSELF is thinking carefully about it and likely already has finished doing so.


This is all nonsense that he is losing his field of depth, peripheral vision blah blah or his reactions have become too slow. If you look at his first career he has had a few silly mishaps too, like running into the back of Senna in 92, and few other times. Hell, Joss Verstappen rammed Montoya off, he was not in his 40's. I think we can put it down to frustration, Imagine driving a shitty car for 3 years, desperation creeps in and being a racer he cannot settle for anything less that the absolute best.

#129 steveninthematrix

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 19:30

when I think of Michael, I think of this saying

"the talllest tree catches the most wind"

#130 rijole1

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 19:57

I think he's going to retire from F1 racing.
Maybe he tries racing in other series he doesn't have done yet.
If he feels he can live without being behind the steering wheel, he could work inside some F1 team.
Just start work in a team and find which role could suit him.
I mean, he must have a lot of experience that any team could use for winning.

#131 steveninthematrix

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 20:11

I think he's going to retire from F1 racing.
Maybe he tries racing in other series he doesn't have done yet.
If he feels he can live without being behind the steering wheel, he could work inside some F1 team.
Just start work in a team and find which role could suit him.
I mean, he must have a lot of experience that any team could use for winning.


if that was the case, MS would have just announced on the same day as Hamilton going to Merc, that he is retiring...

he hasnt... i.e. there must be options on the table, and I can't believe one of them is Sauber... the only option I think Michael would consider is Ferrari.......... yes, I am totally biased and hoping..., but, MS would have announced it already if it was a 'closed and shut' case....; I don't believe it is, and with Luca saying, 'we need a few more days', that is very interesting...

why, because in Ferrari tradition, the decision on drivers is made at or around the italian GP; that has come and gone and Ferrari are still saying, 'we need a few more days' .... Ferrari know Massa doesnt have the goods any longer (since his accident possibly), and with no immediate other drivers around and Vettel perhaps ready for 2014, fate, it may seem, may have some justice afterall...

we'll see... but, it isnt over till its over - Rocky :)

#132 bongofury

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 20:20

Unusual that my vote is in the same category is the majority.

#133 ali_M

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 23:43

This is all nonsense that he is losing his field of depth, peripheral vision blah blah or his reactions have become too slow. If you look at his first career he has had a few silly mishaps too, like running into the back of Senna in 92, and few other times. Hell, Joss Verstappen rammed Montoya off, he was not in his 40's. I think we can put it down to frustration, Imagine driving a shitty car for 3 years, desperation creeps in and being a racer he cannot settle for anything less that the absolute best.


I'm not one of those claiming that he's losing vision. I used presbyopia as a nice example of a situation that can develop quite quickly in one's 40's. Older drivers in the past have quite suddenly lost it as it were. DC wasn't doing well in his last season. Same for Damon Hill and Hakkinen. The motivation suddenly goes and quite precipitously so. With it goes the sharpness.

I suspect this may well be creeping up on Michael in remarkably small amounts. He's seriously considering the situation, more in the motivation area than anywhere else and many here are scoffing at the reality of it. It takes that much more motivation and effort to keep up with the youngsters.

It would be quite something to read the comments that would follow Michael being in the same incidents as Hamilton was in 2011. In Hamilton's case, waning reflexes and vision etc. weren't to blame. Hmmmm

Edited by ali_M, 30 September 2012 - 23:54.


#134 seahawk

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:08

Or maybe your are bound to make more mistakes in a badly handling car that you are trying to push over its limits.

#135 skinnylizard

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:14

i was never a fan of MS in his dominant years but watching him fight at Merc has been great. I find myself rooting for him. While he is surely not the dominant force he was a few years ago i dont see how he could have been on pole in Monaco if the talent is not there.

I can see the argument that he should leave and let new blood come in but i think he still has a lot to offer and should stick around.

#136 CoolBreeze

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:49

I think Sauber. If he really wants to retire, i'm sure we'd hear something now itself. But he's keeping mum, and Sabine Kehm was seen chatting with Sauber officials in Singapore.

#137 Sakae

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:53

Voted: other

He is an independent middle aged man of his own free will. He can do whatever he thinks is most satisying for him, and I am not convinced that he has decided with any degree of finality on that, thus whatever he ends up choosing, I am fine with it.

#138 Wheels23

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:45

lol @ the 10 bitter people who voted HRT. :D


But I voted HRT for the lulz :|

#139 seahawk

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:58

If he should go to HRT, I would have massive respect for the man. If he really keeps racing in a Sauber or a lesser team, it shows that he simply loves racing. It would not be for the money, it would not be for building a brand. :clap:

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#140 Sof1

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:47

New article about Michael's future:

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#141 ali_M

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:17

New article about Michael's future:

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New article with nothing new in it. :|

The F1 press seems to have to move at a certain pace. The articles have to keep coming... otherwise... I really don't know what.

#142 Sof1

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:26

Another new article from today, this one Eddie Jordan chimes in, saying he was shocked to learn that Mercedes didn't retain Schumacher:

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Edited by Sof1, 01 October 2012 - 11:26.


#143 Sakae

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:46

Another new article from today, this one Eddie Jordan chimes in, saying he was shocked to learn that Mercedes didn't retain Schumacher:

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I am shocked that Mr. Jordan is shocked, because I didn't think it's possible.

#144 Sof1

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 12:06

Translated from this article
Dated: 01/10/2012


Sauber seriously interested in Schumacher

Sauber Director Monisha Kaltenborn this morning indicated that the Swiss Formula 1 team is seriously interested in attracting Michael Schumacher. The German seven-time world champion leaves at the end of this siezoen at Mercedes GP to make room for Lewis Hamilton.
Kaltenborn in the German Bild Zeitung: "It is an exciting thought. Of course we are interested in a seven-time world which returns to the market. "
And "Michael has until now driven in large stables, where we can not compare them," she added modestly to it there.
Team boss and namesake of the team Peter Sauber has already indicated that he will contract directly Schumacher as the opportunity arises. The big wait is still a sign of the German driver itself. He radiates no hurry in taking a decision. The longer he waits, however note, the smaller the number of remaining seats on the grid in 2013.


Edited by Sof1, 01 October 2012 - 12:06.


#145 eoin

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 12:33

It's hard to know where his mind is at.

If he just wants to take part then Sauber is a good match, but I think he wants more than that.

If he wants to win then Ferrari is the only possible choice. Maybe that is why he has been delaying his decision and maybe that is why Mercedes pushed him out in favour of Hamilton!(A little far fetched I know). If Ferrari do replace Massa, which they should, then Schumacher has as good a claim as anyone. He has matched a highly rated Rosberg for pace this year. Other drivers that should be considered for the seat would be Kovalainen, Di Resta, Grosjean and Hulkenburg. Kovalainen has the experience which Ferrari claim they require the others might be a bit short.

Personally I would prefer to see him retire than go to midfield team. Yes, Mercedes are a midfield team but they have ambitions of been more, Sauber don't.

Edited by eoin, 01 October 2012 - 12:34.


#146 Sof1

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 12:40

I think he is waiting for Ferrari. He basically has Sauber in the bag, if he gets Ferrari then that would be fine and if not, he will go to Sauber.

#147 pinkypants

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 12:42

Begs the question - what is Ferrari waiting for and why hasn't Kimi signed for Lotus yet?

#148 Sof1

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 12:57

Begs the question - what is Ferrari waiting for and why hasn't Kimi signed for Lotus yet?



I thought lotus already announced that their 2013 driver line up will not be changed. Or was that not official, just talk from team boss?

#149 tifosiMac

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 13:03

He'd be silly to continue. I hope he retires and enjoys life.

#150 SpartanChas

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 13:04

Hopefully he retires. Would not be fair for him to go to Sauber just to enjoy himself and get in the way of young drivers trying to build their careers which Sauber is probably the best team in which to do so.

On the other hand, go to Ferrari and be Alonso's number two? That would further serve to diminish his reputation. Or he could challenge Alonso for the title. That would be bad for Alonso and for Ferrari. Why would they do that to the guy who's their #1. Bringing in MSC to take a title would ruin the Ferrari-Alonso relationship and its just not worth it for them just to give an old man another chance.