Jump to content


Photo

Michael Schumacher Retires From F1 Confirmed


  • Please log in to reply
273 replies to this topic

#151 joshb

joshb
  • Member

  • 3,281 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 04 October 2012 - 16:40

People can say what they want, for me, he is Number 1

Advertisement

#152 schubacca

schubacca
  • Member

  • 796 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 16:45

I have been wishing a whole lot of sh!t that has not happened....


Please.....


I want to see MS go out of F1 reminding us how great he is...

I know that is a tall order in that POS called the Mercedes.... But please....



#153 Tarzaan

Tarzaan
  • Member

  • 1,217 posts
  • Joined: April 06

Posted 04 October 2012 - 16:57

I think his comeback performance has been poor. Poor for a driver who is always on the "greatest of all time" top 3 or top 5. His comeback performance is totally OK for a normal solid driver, though.

And i think the reason for this is not age but simply... too many years out of the sport. I think that has hurt Michael a lot. Take for example Luca Badoer, the guy wasn't a bad driver at all, he was very good pre-F1 and a solid driver on F1. Yet he was embarrasing on that Ferrari.

This is a sport in which every year out of F1 will cause a lot of harm.


You might be right but IMHO his bike accident in early of 09 was also a main factor. But in 11 & 12 he was stronger in the races than rosberg.

+ imho he never gave a real support from the ex BAR Mercedes team. Ross and Norbert must be like him, but I think ha was not too popular in the crew.


#154 my_own_shadow

my_own_shadow
  • Member

  • 214 posts
  • Joined: August 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 16:57

Many respects to the Great man. Yes, he has prooved he still able to be on the very edge, like in his young years. We can do nothing, but accept his decision. But also we must understand that it is reallly a shame day for modern Formula 1. :cry:

#155 Tarzaan

Tarzaan
  • Member

  • 1,217 posts
  • Joined: April 06

Posted 04 October 2012 - 16:58

JACKIE STEWART says retirement is overdue and should have happened long ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19834309



I wait some comments from Stirling Moss too...

#156 MajorRichard

MajorRichard
  • Member

  • 42 posts
  • Joined: August 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 16:59

A ruined thursday. Why can't he just take a 1 year drive in a car that isn't SHIT.

#157 schubacca

schubacca
  • Member

  • 796 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 16:59

I see that the BBC cannot help but take a couple more digs at the Master.

Stewart is saying that his comeback has affected his reputation..... Although he did laud MS as one of the greatest.

I do not know why the BEEB needed to include JS's stats on an article about MS....? Sigh

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19834309

Benson called MS's decision to come back a mistake....

Benson and company need to enjoy these last few months.

MS won't be in F1 for you to bash...... But his records will!!!! :D

#158 Sof1

Sof1
  • Member

  • 596 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:03

JACKIE STEWART says retirement is overdue and should have happened long ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19834309


I read this article. What a bitter pr!ck. On the eve of the guy's retirement he tries to diminish his accomplishments. Saying he drove a lot more races than X,y and himself. He is so self absorbed and envious of Michael. Saying these drivers mistakes would not have happened with other drivers. How the heck would he know? Did they drive at Michael's age in this era? What an idiot.

Nothing positive to say, then STFU, particularly on the eve Schumacher is retiring. He can criticise him all he wants at a later date. NO respect!

BBC and the pictures they put up on this article, all crashes! What bitter *****. Typical British Media i was talking about before. (not all of course are the same)

EDIT: Added BBC article comment.

Edited by Sof1, 04 October 2012 - 17:06.


#159 schubacca

schubacca
  • Member

  • 796 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:04

I wait some comments from Stirling Moss too...


Hehehehehe,

I have learnt to accept that if MS was a Brit, these same people would be worshiping him.

The fact that:

He spanked all of their records

Is alive

Is German

Is still racing in F1

Is just too much for the naysayers...

It is a sad day for me, but one where the MS legend will only get bigger and bigger.



Advertisement

#160 schubacca

schubacca
  • Member

  • 796 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:09

I read this article. What a bitter pr!ck. On the eve of the guy's retirement he tries to diminish his accomplishments. Saying he drove a lot more races than X,y and himself. He is so self absorbed and envious of Michael. Saying these drivers mistakes would not have happened with other drivers. How the heck would he know? Did they drive at Michael's age in this era? What an idiot.

Nothing positive to say, then STFU, particularly on the eve Schumacher is retiring. He can criticise him all he wants at a later date. NO respect!

BBC and the pictures they put up on this article, all crashes! What bitter *****. Typical British Media i was talking about before. (not all of course are the same)

EDIT: Added BBC article comment.


Man, I am relaxed about it now....

The more these clowns sounds off, the more ridiculous it all gets.

Doesn't it appear that all of MS's accomplishments are always trying to be explained away by those that did not achieve that we did? :)

It is all good :)

#161 OSX

OSX
  • Member

  • 4,206 posts
  • Joined: April 06

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:09

JACKIE STEWART says retirement is overdue and should have happened long ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19834309

Have to agree with Sir Jackie. Still, Schumacher isn't retiring just yet. There are still 6 races left.

#162 my_own_shadow

my_own_shadow
  • Member

  • 214 posts
  • Joined: August 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:15

My personal point is that in general it is the fault of modern stupid rules of both sports and technical sides of modern F1. Michael, like the last of the Mohicans, is a representative of another era, the heroic age of motor sport. All or nothing - that's the secret of his success and has been his motto. If only unlimited tests and budgets, constant development work on whole car and tyres, and so on were allowed in modern F1, as in the past, I am convinced that all would have been very different... As said it is a shame day for all us... :cry:


#163 chrisblades85

chrisblades85
  • Member

  • 2,606 posts
  • Joined: July 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:22

Shame it didn't work out in his 2nd F1 career in terms of results. The pace is still there and it would be a fairy tale if he can get his comeback win in his final, final 6 races. Can't see it unfortunately as the car is not good enough, like it hasn't been for the past 3 years, really.



#164 flavio81

flavio81
  • Member

  • 88 posts
  • Joined: August 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:25

My personal point is that in general it is the fault of modern stupid rules of both sports and technical sides of modern F1. Michael, like the last of the Mohicans, is a representative of another era, the heroic age of motor sport.


You mean the era of active suspension (1992, 1993) and automatic launch control (1994+)?
With different tire manufacturers making the field uneven (2005+) ?

What is so heroic, compared to now? This year we have no driver aids, a more closely matched performance in cars, and we have an almost record amount of WDC winners and race winners in the grid. In the previous years, it was often the case that one team had a crucial technical advantage over others (i.e. Turbo engines with special fuel composition 1983, Ground effects 1978, Renault Mass Damper, Active Suspension 1992, etc etc etc). This year the drivers are mattering more.

No sir, i like current F1 better. Except for DRS which is a joke.

Edited by flavio81, 04 October 2012 - 17:28.


#165 tifosi4life

tifosi4life
  • Member

  • 347 posts
  • Joined: April 04

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:25

Thank you Michael Schumacher for so many great memories watching F1. I was lucky enough to see four races in person during your first stint. All four you got POLE and three you were victorious! A truly amazing athlete and inspiration. FORZA Michael :up:

#166 TimRTC

TimRTC
  • Member

  • 758 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:29

A lot better than making a move to Sauber or even further back on the grid. I just wish he had been able to make the announcement at the same time as Hamilton's was, avoiding a week of speculation and making him seem more pushed than jumped.

#167 my_own_shadow

my_own_shadow
  • Member

  • 214 posts
  • Joined: August 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:37

You mean the era of active suspension (1992, 1993) and automatic launch control (1994+)?
With different tire manufacturers making the field uneven (2005+) ?

What is so heroic, compared to now? This year we have no driver aids, a more closely matched performance in cars, and we have an almost record amount of WDC winners and race winners in the grid. In the previous years, it was often the case that one team had a crucial technical advantage over others (i.e. Turbo engines with special fuel composition 1983, Ground effects 1978, Renault Mass Damper, Active Suspension 1992, etc etc etc). This year the drivers are mattering more.

No sir, i like current F1 better. Except for DRS which is a joke.


Opportunity is the answer and is the key word in differencies between previous times and nowadays. It was yesterday, but it is so little left today, almost nothing. A room for creativity is one of the things that modern time really lacks.


#168 MatsNorway

MatsNorway
  • Member

  • 2,056 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:37

I hope MS does Le Mans or something.

#169 my_own_shadow

my_own_shadow
  • Member

  • 214 posts
  • Joined: August 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:39

I hope MS does Le Mans or something.

Me too, honestly...

#170 brunopascal

brunopascal
  • Member

  • 1,350 posts
  • Joined: September 06

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:46

He should never have retired in 2006 and I was over the moon when he came back.

To me he hasn't damaged his reputation at all, F1 is a different beast to what it was when he was owing the field.

Wish he had stayed on but only he knows what is right to do.

Thanks for everything, Michael.


Totally agree!

It was a pleasure to watch him race over the years and he brought many moments of strong emotions, whether you were his fan or not.
When I think of Schumacher I remember masterpieces like Barcelona 96, Hungary 98.


#171 schubacca

schubacca
  • Member

  • 796 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:47

MS raced in an era where the strong survived and the weak......

MS raced against AS, AP, NM and others that were hard racers.

But I have been feeling that MS and this modern F1 may not be 100% compatible.

Monza 2011 affirmed that for me, with LH needing the FIA to go past MS. (I don't blame LH, I blame the FIA rulebook)

MS could have soaked up the pressure all day under the old regs.

JB passing MS in Canada 2011 also underlines this new F1. DRS essentially giving JB the win....

Perhaps it is good that MS leaves now....

#172 sniper80

sniper80
  • Member

  • 520 posts
  • Joined: November 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:50

The signs were there all year. Too bad he got nothing but 1 pole (that he had to give away) and 1 podium out of his comeback.
Even this F1 king finally lost his magic...

#173 KWSN - DSM

KWSN - DSM
  • Member

  • 8,158 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:52

As others have posted, I view Michael Schumacher as the best driver I have ever seen. This [url="http://<a%20href="http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/motorhead-damage-schumacher-legacy-162824223.html"%20target="_blank">http://uk.eurosport....824223.html</a>"]Article[/url] gives a nice summation of his two career installments, and how we should view him. I know that not all will agree with it, but I think that it place him in context then and now.

:cool:

#174 Tardis40

Tardis40
  • Member

  • 733 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:53

Jackie Stewart should have retired his mouth long ago.


#175 Tardis40

Tardis40
  • Member

  • 733 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:57

"Different tire manufacturers making the field uneven?"

Do you really think that this years field is even? Or last years, or the year before? F1 is being dominated by the same three teams every year, no one else has a chance.


#176 Tarzaan

Tarzaan
  • Member

  • 1,217 posts
  • Joined: April 06

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:57

The signs were there all year. Too bad he got nothing but 1 pole (that he had to give away) and 1 podium out of his comeback.
Even this F1 king finally lost his magic...



Bad link.

This works:

http://uk.eurosport....-162824223.html

#177 SPBHM

SPBHM
  • Member

  • 817 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:58

I hope MS does Le Mans or something.


just stay away from motorcycles!


I have never been a MS fan, but when he announced his return I was happy about it and expected good things, unfortunately it didn't happen, and it's kind of sad that his pole in Monaco didn't count...

now I think retiring again is a natural step, he was left without any real options at the moment... let's hope he can make some nice clean races on the last part of this year.

#178 Ze Bum

Ze Bum
  • Member

  • 223 posts
  • Joined: June 08

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:02

My personal point is that in general it is the fault of modern stupid rules of both sports and technical sides of modern F1. Michael, like the last of the Mohicans, is a representative of another era, the heroic age of motor sport.


Well, in his heroic era, from 1994 to 2004, he only had to fight against one or two Williams or McLaren cars. Nobody else was even close. 01, 02 and 04 he had no opposition at all.

Taking 7 WDCs in those circumstances is not necessarily quite as magnificent as it sounds...


#179 steveninthematrix

steveninthematrix
  • Member

  • 329 posts
  • Joined: May 08

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:05

Michael's Pole Lap at Monaco....

personally, I believe the williams changed direction twice and this caught MS off guard, so I was against the penalty at Monaco...... oh well, thats the way it goes; 91 wins, 7 WDC's, and hundreds of millions of dollars, Michael will be 'ok'

Edited by steveninthematrix, 04 October 2012 - 18:10.


Advertisement

#180 steveninthematrix

steveninthematrix
  • Member

  • 329 posts
  • Joined: May 08

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:06

Well, in his heroic era, from 1994 to 2004, he only had to fight against one or two Williams or McLaren cars. Nobody else was even close. 01, 02 and 04 he had no opposition at all.

Taking 7 WDCs in those circumstances is not necessarily quite as magnificent as it sounds...


and Senna never won a championship in a Mclaren which was miles ahead of everyone? and neither did Prost in a williams?

"the tallest tree catches the most wind"

#181 Kingshark

Kingshark
  • Member

  • 2,944 posts
  • Joined: April 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:15

Sad but better for his legacy I guess. Schumi, you will be missed. :(

He might not be as good as he use to be, but I just loved the fight in him. Even today, IMO his race craft is second to none. Monza 2011 was a huge entertainment to watch.

#182 johnmhinds

johnmhinds
  • Member

  • 2,221 posts
  • Joined: July 09

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:16

Well, in his heroic era, from 1994 to 2004, he only had to fight against one or two Williams or McLaren cars. Nobody else was even close. 01, 02 and 04 he had no opposition at all.

Taking 7 WDCs in those circumstances is not necessarily quite as magnificent as it sounds...


So if you're "too good" it shouldn't count as winning now?

What nonsense.

#183 Ze Bum

Ze Bum
  • Member

  • 223 posts
  • Joined: June 08

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:16

and Senna never won a championship in a Mclaren which was miles ahead of everyone? and neither did Prost in a williams?


Yes, there have been other bad years too.

I was just pointing out that this is more a golden era of F1 than those Schumacher years when there were always just two teams competing.



#184 BetaVersion

BetaVersion
  • Member

  • 689 posts
  • Joined: May 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:18

):

This is definitely not the way it should have been.

If Michael was underperforming in relation to his team mate, as was the case in most of 2010 and part of 2011, then I would be satisfied with it.

But it is a travesty to see him without a seat when he showed more pace than Rosberg, this year, eventhough the inumerous Brackley's mistakes didn't allowed that to be shown in the points.

Brackely team is a bunch of retards who can't built a fast car neither a reliable one.

Without Michael, part of my joy for F1 next year will be to laugh at Mercedes clumpsyness and stupidity.


PLEASE SCHUMACHER, JOIN WEC!!!! I DOESN'T MATTER IF AUDI, TOYOTA OR PORSCHE. PLEASE JOIN THE LMP1S CAUSE THEY ARE MUCH NICER THAN F1 CARS. THAT WOULD JOIN THE BEST DRIVER AND THE BEST CATEGORY/CARS IN A COMBO

Edited by BetaVersion, 04 October 2012 - 18:24.


#185 TifosiUSA

TifosiUSA
  • Member

  • 142 posts
  • Joined: July 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:19

and Senna never won a championship in a Mclaren which was miles ahead of everyone? and neither did Prost in a williams?

"the tallest tree catches the most wind"

+1



#186 Ze Bum

Ze Bum
  • Member

  • 223 posts
  • Joined: June 08

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:19

So if you're "too good" it shouldn't count as winning now?

What nonsense.


What strawman.


#187 SpaMaster

SpaMaster
  • Member

  • 5,856 posts
  • Joined: October 08

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:25

MS raced in an era where the strong survived and the weak......

MS raced against AS, AP, NM and others that were hard racers.

But I have been feeling that MS and this modern F1 may not be 100% compatible.

Monza 2011 affirmed that for me, with LH needing the FIA to go past MS. (I don't blame LH, I blame the FIA rulebook)

MS could have soaked up the pressure all day under the old regs.

JB passing MS in Canada 2011 also underlines this new F1. DRS essentially giving JB the win....

Perhaps it is good that MS leaves now....

There is nothing wrong in praising a driver who is retiring. But Monza 2011 was a fault with the modern F1? Many would say that was how the old F1 was until some newbies came in the 80s and 90s and changed it. No double moves, no weaving, leave a car's width if you are coming back after one move - Perfectly fine racing rules. Let's have some perspective.

#188 schubacca

schubacca
  • Member

  • 796 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:30

There is nothing wrong in praising a driver who is retiring. But Monza 2011 was a fault with the modern F1? Many would say that was how the old F1 was until some newbies came in the 80s and 90s and changed it. No double moves, no weaving, leave a car's width if you are coming back after one move - Perfectly fine racing rules. Let's have some perspective.


I can see your point :)

DRS though....... :p



#189 Sakae

Sakae
  • Member

  • 19,256 posts
  • Joined: December 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:34

There is nothing wrong in praising a driver who is retiring. But Monza 2011 was a fault with the modern F1? Many would say that was how the old F1 was until some newbies came in the 80s and 90s and changed it. No double moves, no weaving, leave a car's width if you are coming back after one move - Perfectly fine racing rules. Let's have some perspective.

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

#190 Sakae

Sakae
  • Member

  • 19,256 posts
  • Joined: December 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:39

Brackely team is a bunch of retards who can't built a fast car neither a reliable one.

Don't you worry, Lauda talks like he is having some ideas what to do about it, and he will do it in his spare time.









________________

I was p***d at Ross for several weeks now, but why suddenly I feel sorry about him then?

Edited by Sakae, 04 October 2012 - 18:40.


#191 Dan333SP

Dan333SP
  • Member

  • 572 posts
  • Joined: March 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:43

The only positive thing about this for me is that I'll have a final chance to see him race in person. I already attended the Canadian GP and was disappointed that his performance all weekend this year didn't match 2011 when he would have podiumed if not for the DRS zone's length, but now I'll be able to say goodbye for the final time from the grandstands in Austin next month. I'm hoping he takes to that track and gets a top 5 grid slot and at least makes the race somewhat interesting, but that is sadly unlikely with the way the W03 is at the moment.

#192 zeph

zeph
  • Member

  • 765 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:44

Respect to Schu. Best wishes.


#193 schubacca

schubacca
  • Member

  • 796 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:46

[quote name='Sakae' date='Oct 4 2012, 18:39' post='5953422']
Don't you worry, Lauda talks like he is having some ideas what to do about it, and he will do it in his spare time.

Remember the time Lauda said that the modern F1 car was easy to drive, and then he drove one, only to spin out multiple times in one lap?!!!

Mercedes, meet Lauda

Lauda, meet Mercedes



#194 cutchemist42

cutchemist42
  • Member

  • 103 posts
  • Joined: June 11

Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:05

Definitely wish his car was more reliable at the start of the year.

I only started watching F1 after Michael retired. His prformance at Montreal last year in the wet made me realize why people loved him as a driver. Just praying there is a wet race during the rest of the season.....

#195 Tarzaan

Tarzaan
  • Member

  • 1,217 posts
  • Joined: April 06

Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:12

and Senna never won a championship in a Mclaren which was miles ahead of everyone? and neither did Prost in a williams?

"the tallest tree catches the most wind"



):

This is definitely not the way it should have been.

If Michael was underperforming in relation to his team mate, as was the case in most of 2010 and part of 2011, then I would be satisfied with it.

But it is a travesty to see him without a seat when he showed more pace than Rosberg, this year, eventhough the inumerous Brackley's mistakes didn't allowed that to be shown in the points.

Brackely team is a bunch of retards who can't built a fast car neither a reliable one.


Without Michael, part of my joy for F1 next year will be to laugh at Mercedes clumpsyness and stupidity.


PLEASE SCHUMACHER, JOIN WEC!!!! I DOESN'T MATTER IF AUDI, TOYOTA OR PORSCHE. PLEASE JOIN THE LMP1S CAUSE THEY ARE MUCH NICER THAN F1 CARS. THAT WOULD JOIN THE BEST DRIVER AND THE BEST CATEGORY/CARS IN A COMBO



+1!

PS:

If Schumi join WEC, I hope he will race with Porsche. Az F1 legend drive the Le Mans legend...

#196 ali_M

ali_M
  • Member

  • 1,115 posts
  • Joined: April 03

Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:14

Man, I am relaxed about it now....

The more these clowns sounds off, the more ridiculous it all gets.

Doesn't it appear that all of MS's accomplishments are always trying to be explained away by those that did not achieve that we did? :)

It is all good :)


You are so right on this one.

Sir Jackie Stewart's attitude is encapsulated in his leading comment on why Schumacher's retirement was overdue... "His reputation has already been affected by his unsuccessful return to the sport,". It's so much about reputation for Sir Stewart. For those who consider it an impact on his reputation, Michael already doesn't enjoy a good reputation, so I definitely agree with his just ignoring this and getting on with doing as he feels right and not worrying about the mental prison cell that concerns of reputation confer, with the antecedent restrictions on just going for it.... taking risks.

The timing of such a public comment by Sir Jackie is just testimony to the envy involved. A German stealing the glory??? No.... that remains on British soil!!!

#197 Schumacher7

Schumacher7
  • Member

  • 714 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:21

Well, looks like I need a new driver, they're all too nice though. :/

#198 schumimercamg

schumimercamg
  • Member

  • 315 posts
  • Joined: April 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:23

Well, looks like I need a new driver, they're all too nice though. :/



Yep me too. I'm going with Vettel but will be rooting for Schumi until the last.

#199 Tardis40

Tardis40
  • Member

  • 733 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:32

Definitely wish his car was more reliable at the start of the year.

I only started watching F1 after Michael retired. His prformance at Montreal last year in the wet made me realize why people loved him as a driver. Just praying there is a wet race during the rest of the season.....


Michael had many memorable wet races in his first career, and was noted for his ability to manage the car in tricky conditions. The current regulations really detracted from his ability to push the machinery to it's absolute limit. I believe he compared today's tires to driving on bubble gum.


Advertisement

#200 SenorSjon

SenorSjon
  • Member

  • 1,400 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:45

For me the F1 I loved finally died with the retirement of the last driver from a period I grew up in. Only the bad and artificial rules remain. The cruising drivers, the DRS crap, chokotoff tires, ugly cars, constant penalties and the list gets longer and longer. I think I'll watch old races again with the screaming V12 etc.

What will the British press do? They lost their common enemy since 1994. They can't keep writing about Hamiltons love life or his new bling for long. I guess it will be Alonso or Vettel.
What will all the British stewards do? They only have Maldo remaining. ;-)