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#201 Dilla

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:51

Agreed on the first. That was an incredible sight, four lines of 8+ cars each, four abread streaming through the corners was cool.

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#202 Collective

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:04

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Germán mothafuckin Quiroga P8 baby!!!! Slim or some other Mexican millionaire get this guy a permanent seat!!!!!

#203 Dilla

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:24

Well, he's got three more races this season (Texas, Phoenix, and New Hampshire) in hopes of a full-season next year. I was surprised Telcel didn't foot the bill.

#204 nosaj100

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:37

Surprised JJ rode home on Jr., I thought you were required to take the ambulance to the medical center.


If a Busch brother did this, NASCAR would suspend them for a race. :p

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 06:13

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What amazes me is Biffle (3M car up top at the back) actually managed to avoid it! I think he made it through without a scratch.

#206 Youichi

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:17


Can any one explain how NASCAR decide the finishing order after that ?

I thought they went with the order on the last timing loop crossed before the yellow, but the commentators said in a G&W checker they won't throw a yellow after they start the last lap, so maybe its the order they cross the line, but then what do they do about the immobile cars ? :confused:

In turn 3 I thought Waltrip was going to win, and was cheering for him :rotfl:

#207 JRodrigues

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:14

It's the order of the cars when the yellow comes out.

#208 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:26

It's the order of the cars when the yellow comes out.

It shouldn't be that simple. You still have to maintain your pace when the yellow comes out. Therefore, those can't make it back to the finish line and those who straggle to it should be put behind.

#209 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:34

But then we're back to racing to the line, but now with wrecked cars coming at different angles and speeds. And how do you decide amongst the immovable cars, who finished ahead?

#210 gm914

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:41

Sounds like I missed quite the weekend lads. Got back in at 1 this morning. I don't plan on getting out of bed today, so I'm going to try and catch some replays of the races if possible.

The truck race didnt seem to get much love on here, so ill say well done Kligerman on his first NCWTS win!

#211 Watkins74

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:46

It shouldn't be that simple. You still have to maintain your pace when the yellow comes out. Therefore, those can't make it back to the finish line and those who straggle to it should be put behind.

I thought they did take that into account. Look at the picture above, I don't see any way that Biffle (#16) could have gotten up to 6th place by the time the yellow came out.

Edited by Watkins74, 08 October 2012 - 14:49.


#212 Watkins74

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:48

Sounds like I missed quite the weekend lads. Got back in at 1 this morning. I don't plan on getting out of bed today, so I'm going to try and catch some replays of the races if possible.

The truck race didnt seem to get much love on here, so ill say well done Kligerman on his first NCWTS win!

We missed your input! I confess to flipping back and forth from the races to the NFL at this time of year and I suspect I am not the only one.

The Truck race would have had my undivided attention if it where held on Friday night.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:57

We missed your input! I confess to flipping back and forth from the races to the NFL at this time of year and I suspect I am not the only one.

The Truck race would have had my undivided attention if it where held on Friday night.

That reminds me, football fans. Keep an eye out for a funny Van Heusen commercial during Superbowl, starring Jerry Rice, Steve Young and Matt Stafford.
That's what I was doing all weekend.

#214 johnmhinds

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:43

I thought they did take that into account. Look at the picture above, I don't see any way that Biffle (#16) could have gotten up to 6th place by the time the yellow came out.


If you watch the videos of the crash you can see Biffle ducked down to the infield and missed all the cars crashing ahead just before the caution, that's how he finished in 6th.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 17:20

Do any of you guys seriously believe NASCAR is continuously lucking out on avoiding fatalities, or are the cars plain and simply incredibly safe and we're rarely close to serious injury or death anymore? I've been thinking about that on super speedway races the past year or two and I can't decide which of those two extremes is closer to the truth.

#216 Atreiu

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:04

I think they are safe at these speeds. How many crashes are there per season? A hundred?
The last one that shocked me was Montoyas freak accident against the jet truck.

Edited by Atreiu, 08 October 2012 - 18:05.


#217 Myrvold

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:26

I think they are safe at these speeds. How many crashes are there per season? A hundred?
The last one that shocked me was Montoyas freak accident against the jet truck.


I know it's not sprint cup, but how the freaking **** Eric McClure only sat out 4 races after this. I will never understand!
This is the last one that really got me.



#218 Atreiu

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:31

Gosh, that was a hard hit.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:01

I thought they did take that into account. Look at the picture above, I don't see any way that Biffle (#16) could have gotten up to 6th place by the time the yellow came out.

Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch aren't even in the picture (they were behing Kahne in the 5) and they finished second and third

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#220 JRodrigues

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:18

The moment yellows came out

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[ironic that this happened right in front of the "This is Talladega" sign :rotfl: ]

Edited by JRodrigues, 08 October 2012 - 20:19.


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:26

Ambrose who is fourth technically there ended up 27th 1-21 were regarded as running so i think thats those that actually made the line. Gordon and Busch missed it the 34 (in the wall at the top came fourth!) and 78 (underneath Stewart in the picture) didn't but they still escaped that mess and beat biffle who unbelievably also missed it (seriously watch him in the replays its a great piece of driving). Kesolowski got tagged a lot but ended up pointing the right way and ended seventh Kvapil no idea where he was but he's 8th same with Newman in ninth, Burton was also in it, he's in front of Biffle in that picture but he ended up 10th. I think thats everyone that didn't at least spin as Harvick certainly did as can be clearly seen above, Kahne had Smoke on top of him but managed to drive out to 12th. Waltrip was hellishly unlucky he actually drove out only to be hit by Bobby Labonte as he was driving away with Biffle. Crazy stuff.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:26

I know it's not sprint cup, but how the freaking **** Eric McClure only sat out 4 races after this. I will never understand!
This is the last one that really got me.

A few metres further along and he might not have been so lucky

#223 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:04

That's Keselowski 4th and the 29 spinning up at the wall. I can't even see Ambrose and the 34.

#224 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:22

But then we're back to racing to the line, but now with wrecked cars coming at different angles and speeds. And how do you decide amongst the immovable cars, who finished ahead?

Same way it works everywhere, including NASCAR. Those cars who fail to finish the race are classified based on the relative order they were in during the last completed lap.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:23

Do any of you guys seriously believe NASCAR is continuously lucking out on avoiding fatalities, or are the cars plain and simply incredibly safe and we're rarely close to serious injury or death anymore? I've been thinking about that on super speedway races the past year or two and I can't decide which of those two extremes is closer to the truth.


The cars are indeed safe and strong. By motorsports standards, they're armored vehicles--tanks. And yes, everyone walked away yesterday.

But one day a driver will not walk away, and then everyone will want to know why something wasn't done when the danger was so transparently obvious. Nobody in their right mind believes that NASCAR's final plate track fatality is behind it. It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when.

How can people look at the videotape of yesterday's Big One and say they don't see a problem? You would have to be blind or insane.


#226 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:49

But past incidents you describe, in any series, were more based around what happened after the wreck. Cockpit sides in F1, SAFER barriers, the HANS device, etc etc.

Though F1 has really gone down the route of improving 'safety' but reducing the risk of incident rather than the affects of incident. It's hard to hit anything in an F1 car.

So in that sense as all-but-guaranteed as the incidents on plate tracks are, I don't see a risk to the drivers. Beyond the dice roll that eventually they will have a freak accident through sheer numbers.

#227 nosaj100

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 23:49

[ironic that this happened right in front of the "This is Talladega" sign :rotfl: ]



That is classic. They should use that image for all their press releases.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:15

That's Keselowski 4th and the 29 spinning up at the wall. I can't even see Ambrose and the 34.

If you are referring to my post Ross I was talking about the other photo, the one with the yellow was posted as I was typing it.

#229 Risil

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:22

It's hard to hit anything in an F1 car.


Someone should tell Grosjean!

#230 Dilla

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:53

That's Keselowski 4th and the 29 spinning up at the wall. I can't even see Ambrose and the 34.

The 34 is the damaged car on the bottom lane in front of Truex.

Edited by Dilla, 09 October 2012 - 00:54.


#231 Magoo

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:07

So in that sense as all-but-guaranteed as the incidents on plate tracks are, I don't see a risk to the drivers. Beyond the dice roll that eventually they will have a freak accident through sheer numbers.


You don't see a risk to the drivers when one car gets sideways and upside down in a pack of 30 other cars all going 200 mph? Seriously?

When someone is hurt or killed in that scenario, you can't call it a freak accident. You can only call it a highly foreseeable event.

In the event of another fatality, NASCAR will look like idiots trying to say they thought it was safe. All the media has to do is play the tapes.



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Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:37

As Talladega was on early Monday morning, I only saw the incident after reading comments, watching the replay on NASCAR.com. The initial parts of the replay showed the cars running around the track 4 wide. That was truly incredible, and no doubt very exciting live. But it wouldn't take a genius to see it was going to end in tears. All it would take is an engine to stutter, a tyre to let go, a driver to get ambitious, or one to try to block and it would all end in a wreck.

While there is a lot of skill in running in a pack like that, where are the opportunities for drivers to try to improve their position?

Also, I think Kyle Busch said that he was only using 1/4 throttle pushing Gordon!

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:30

As Talladega was on early Monday morning, I only saw the incident after reading comments, watching the replay on NASCAR.com. The initial parts of the replay showed the cars running around the track 4 wide. That was truly incredible, and no doubt very exciting live. But it wouldn't take a genius to see it was going to end in tears. All it would take is an engine to stutter, a tyre to let go, a driver to get ambitious, or one to try to block and it would all end in a wreck.


And the irony is that the guy who started it, was running alone, not 4-wide :)

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:36

While there is a lot of skill in running in a pack like that, where are the opportunities for drivers to try to improve their position?

You surf the waves, so to speak. Usually, the lines of cars like aren't running at the same speed, so there are opportunities to duck into a faster lane until you reach daylight. That's how Waltrip made it to the front in the end.

Edited by Dilla, 09 October 2012 - 02:37.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:39

You surf the waves, so to speak. Usually, the lines of cars like aren't running at the same speed, so there are opportunities to duck into a faster lane until you reach daylight. That's how Waltrip made it to the front in the end.


Take a look at Jimmie Johnson, for instance.

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He has nowhere to go!

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:42

Same way it works everywhere, including NASCAR. Those cars who fail to finish the race are classified based on the relative order they were in during the last completed lap.


Durh. I guess the wreck was so huge and messy we forgot this simple explanation.

#237 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:33

You don't see a risk to the drivers when one car gets sideways and upside down in a pack of 30 other cars all going 200 mph? Seriously?

When someone is hurt or killed in that scenario, you can't call it a freak accident. You can only call it a highly foreseeable event.

In the event of another fatality, NASCAR will look like idiots trying to say they thought it was safe. All the media has to do is play the tapes.



But it is 'safe'. I make a distinction between risk of incident and risk of injury. There aren't any glaring safety gaps that I can see. Unless they've got a space in the pitwall a la Michigan. That was pretty stupid.

And as visually chaotic as plate-wrecks are, I don't see many really hard hits. Sometimes when a guy(or Danica) gets tagged and shoots off towards the inside wall, but I've seen that on lots of 1.5+ mile tracks.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:49

damn missed the race but what the hell was ambrose doing that high up on the final lap? I thought he was terrible at these races?

Edited by goldenboy, 09 October 2012 - 11:49.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:32

Same way it works everywhere, including NASCAR. Those cars who fail to finish the race are classified based on the relative order they were in during the last completed lap.


So, 21 cars crossed the finish line? Because Tony Stewart ended up in 22nd and he was 1st and the beginning of the last lap.

(of course they did.. 21 cars with 189 laps, Tony Stewart is the first with 188 - http://www.nascar.co..._official.html)

Edited by JRodrigues, 09 October 2012 - 12:34.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:35

Right, Trevor Bayne as 21st passed the line 44 minutes after Matt Kenseth :rotfl:

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:59

Earnhardt Jr. speaks about the restritor plate chaos:

"If this is what we did every week, I wouldn't be doing it, I will just put it to you like that," Earnhardt said after Sunday’s Good Sam 500 at Talladega Speedway. "If this is how we raced every week, I would find another job."

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 17:50

Right, Trevor Bayne as 21st passed the line 44 minutes after Matt Kenseth :rotfl:


He's not racing for points though so why??

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 18:01

Earnhardt Jr. speaks about the restritor plate chaos:

"If this is what we did every week, I wouldn't be doing it, I will just put it to you like that," Earnhardt said after Sunday’s Good Sam 500 at Talladega Speedway. "If this is how we raced every week, I would find another job."

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It really is a joke. The drivers think its a joke, the fans who want to see legitimate racing think its a joke. Take the damn plates off and let them do 220mph laps around the track. The cars are safe enough for it these days.

#244 Atreiu

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 18:42

The cars might bounce fine, but what if they flew into catchfences at those speeds?

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 19:41

Found the real culprit for Da BigOne...

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#246 f1seb

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 19:54

I liked push drafting. I thought it was fun as hell.

#247 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 22:37

Right, Trevor Bayne as 21st passed the line 44 minutes after Matt Kenseth :rotfl:

I always assumed there was some kind of time limits for completing the last lap. After all, you wouldn't want to wait two weeks for a car to crawls to the finish line at 0.001 mph. Or it could be that the car crossed the s/f line on a wrecker, which I would've also assumed would not count.

#248 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 22:41

The cars might bounce fine, but what if they flew into catchfences at those speeds?

That's the real danger, IMO. I think a fan is going to get killed before a driver will in these wrecks, especially since the most dangerous part of the track is also the one most heavily populated by the spectators. We dodged the bullet with Edwards, but way too many things can go wrong in such accidents for us to ever be sure.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 23:02

The wreck was on the ABC national news and they talked about what Dale Jr. said.

The cars are pretty safe but one problem is the thinner tubing that holds the rear panel together. I have seen that tubing come out of the cars multiple times. I would hate to see a section go through a drivers window or into the crowd.

Edited by Watkins74, 10 October 2012 - 02:29.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 00:32

The cars are pretty safe but one problem is the thinner tubing that holds the rear panel together. I have seen that tubing come out of the cars multiple times. I would hate to see a section go through a drivers window or into the crowd.


Good Catch.
Never really noted it, but I agree it happens a lot.
The front end clips are rock solid.
maybe NASCAR considers the rear a crumple zone? They could leave it as is, and yet keep it tehered to the car a little better I suppose.

Edited by whitewaterMkII, 10 October 2012 - 00:33.