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#151 bub

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:23

LMAO at the people moaning about what Kimi said or the fact that some people find him cool/awesome. The fact that you are so offended by such things that you feel the need to whine about it on the internet is just ridiculous. Some of you need to take a leaf out of Kimi's book and not care. I could just imagine his reaction if he ever saw this thread.

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#152 johnmhinds

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:25

Sounds like an awful lot of drama and name calling being stirred up here over something so small...

Calm down guys?

#153 discover23

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:27

This thread is not really about the action itself but the expression of those who are not impressed with the double standards, specifically applied to Kimi, myself included.

The justification that a certain drive's personality is x,y and z. and therefore this should be expected from him but not others is boloney..
Double standards is what irks most people and why sensible discussions are difficult to have with people who constantly apply these double stadards when talking about racing matters about other drivers.

We have this going on throughout the season, alonso was bashed endlessly for complaining about Vettel in Monza but when Kimi did the exact same thing early on in the season the topic was never discussed or critiziced.

#154 johnmhinds

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:35

This thread is not really about the action itself but the expression of those who are not impressed with the double standards, specifically applied to Kimi, myself included.


I still don't see the need for people to be name calling a driver over a comment he made while he as obviously still very annoyed with himself for making the mistake.

I'm sorry that F1 drivers aren't always bothered with corporate talk 24/7...but meh who cares really, he didn't say it in an official press release it was just an off hand comment.

It is just coming across like some of you are looking for any tiny reason to call the guy childish names.

#155 Skinnyguy

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:36

We have this going on throughout the season, alonso was bashed endlessly for complaining about Vettel in Monza but when Kimi did the exact same thing early on in the season the topic was never discussed or critiziced.


Yeah, this topic shows without any doubt how Räikkönen's actions/words are never criticized.

Seriously, you should go bed.




#156 bub

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:37

This thread is not really about the action itself but the expression of those who are not impressed with the double standards, specifically applied to Kimi, myself included.

The justification that a certain drive's personality is x,y and z. and therefore this should be expected from him but not others is boloney..
Double standards is what irks most people and why sensible discussions are difficult to have with people who constantly apply these double stadards when talking about racing matters about other drivers.

We have this going on throughout the season, alonso was bashed endlessly for complaining about Vettel in Monza but when Kimi did the exact same thing early on in the season the topic was never discussed or critiziced.


Well imo people should stop moaning and making such a big deal out of everything. For instance instead of bashing both Kimi and Alonso people should bash neither. I don't buy into the argument that so and so would get vilified so let's vilify everyone, imo that's the wrong attitude.

#157 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:38

Well, why should he care?

I can only look at myself, but if I spin during a qual-run in any type of motorsport I'm doing. I don't care if others are having problems because of it.


Sorry, but that's the attitude of a complete tool. Remind me never to run in the same event as you. :rolleyes:

On the rare occasion ive been the cause of a yellow flag due to a spin or a red flag due to dropped oil (once), ive been completely mortified that i'd resulted in others losing track time due to an action of mine.

It's a shame kimi's so jaded that he thinks f*cking up (almost) everyone else's final run wasn't worth a more conciliative acknowledgement.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:43

Sorry, but that's the attitude of a complete tool. Remind me never to run in the same event as you. :rolleyes:

On the rare occasion ive been the cause of a yellow flag due to a spin or a red flag due to dropped oil (once), ive been completely mortified that i'd resulted in others losing track time due to an action of mine.

It's a shame kimi's so jaded that he thinks f*cking up (almost) everyone else's final run wasn't worth a more conciliative acknowledgement.

Hes racing in F1. Not in junior football team where the other kids feel sad when the best player is dominating and doesnt pass the ball.

#159 hijinx

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:45

I still don't see the need for people to be name calling a driver over a comment he made while he as obviously still very annoyed with himself for making the mistake.

I'm sorry that F1 drivers aren't always bothered with corporate talk 24/7...but meh who cares really, he didn't say it in an official press release it was just an off hand comment.

It is just coming across like some of you are looking for any tiny reason to call the guy childish names.


I'd like to add that those people also use these opportunities to call his fans childish and ugly names too

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#160 muramasa

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:47


looked like he needed to go toilet quick :p

#161 discover23

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:49

I still don't see the need for people to be name calling a driver over a comment he made while he as obviously still very annoyed with himself for making the mistake.

I'm sorry that F1 drivers aren't always bothered with corporate talk 24/7...but meh who cares really, he didn't say it in an official press release it was just an off hand comment.

It is just coming across like some of you are looking for any tiny reason to call the guy childish names.

If you reread what I wrote carefully you would realize that it is not Kimi who I am criticizing . My other post on this thread where I expressed my oponion about this incident was that Kimi was simply pissed off.. The point is other drivers get pissed off all the time too but when they do you have a full mob of people labeling and critizicing to no end.

#162 johnmhinds

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:52

I wasn't saying anything against you discover23, I was just adding to your point.
I should have made that clearer maybe.

#163 jeze

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:58

Kimi is human. He was probably pissed off with himself, looking at his Q2 time he'd had the potential to be starting something like 3rd or 4th tomorrow, so essentially he acted like a man knowing the game was up for the title.

Likely to be down to Alonso v Vettel with Fernando in a crippled shitbox.



#164 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:05

People should know that's how he just is, it's blunt but I guess he can't help it.

I bet Natalie felt like what did I do to deserve this haha

#165 Seanspeed

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:14

I'm amazed people are finding a way to defend him here. I dont think its as big a deal as some are making it out to be, but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.

#166 Craven Morehead

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:14

Hehe. Kimi looked angry
http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be


This is what all the hand wringing is about?? :lol:

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:16

I'm amazed people are finding a way to defend him here. I dont think its as big a deal as some are making it out to be, but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.


I completely agree. It's not the end of the world, but it is common courtesy.

#168 DaddyCool

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:26

Why should he care or why should he pretend to care about others? Did Perez apologise after he binned it in Monaco '11?

#169 bub

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:28

I'm amazed people are finding a way to defend him here. I dont think its as big a deal as some are making it out to be, but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.


It's exactly what many people want to hear, hence the defending.
As people have pointed out he didn't do it on purpose so he had no reason to apologize. Plus he wouldn't expect an apology if he was on the receiving end.
If he said he did care he would be lying which is worse.

#170 johnmhinds

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:40

but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.


Would you really rather hear a filtered comment made hours later that is only made to keep the sponsors and other drivers happy?
Or a genuine comment said during a real moment of frustration for a driver who is fighting for the championship?

I'm sure people like Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel will be able to get over the horror of hearing another passionate driver venting his frustration.

Aren't moments like this what we remember from other drivers years later, not the teams making stilted press releases thanking the sponsors for paying their wages.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:51

1) To you, but I am convinced that you do not set the standards for all F1 supporters. So yes, you can bet that some people think he is "cool".
2) Alonso has often been sincere and brutally honest, and has been dissed by some people who have no problems when it is somebody else who does so.
3) I am not a Raikkonen hater, and I think he is rude. Which is not surprising, given his personal background, and hence nothing to dismiss him for - but again, there is a big difference between not using it against him, and thinking that replying "I was having a s**t" is the epithomy of coolness.
4) Gross generalisation, totally biased and hence totally inappropriate. Have you asked every single person here who thought Raikkonen was rude which driver they support, or are you passing a personal opinion as a fact? And by the way, I am not saying he should apologise: I am saying that he was neither awesome nor cool in his comment.



#172 sopa

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:53

People, who consider Kimi's comments cool and/or fine, should never-ever criticize people like Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso giving comments/gestures in the heat of the moment either. Like Alonso waving to Petrov after Abu Dhabi 2010, Vettel being mad at Karthikeyan after Malaysia, Hamilton accusing stewards after Monaco 2011, etc.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:55

Some people really think Räikkönen has to say sorry for causing a yellow flag?

I can imagine what F1 weekends could be if, for each yellow flag, the causing driver had to go and excuse himself with everybody else :rolleyes:
Unsportmanship? For a yellow flag? If he had crashed into somebody and didn't want to say sorry... okay. But for a yellow flag? He went off, spun and waited patiently out the track, till the cars behind him on a hot lap went by, before re-entering and driving the rest of the lap. Period. Once he made the mistake that cost him the lap, he chose the option that would have a smaller effect on the others.

Let's be realistic, the guy is not the most friendly out there and when he's in a bad mood, he IS in a bad mood. Some people like it and some people hate it, that's right with me, each one of us like different kind of people, and that's why we all have different friends.

But asking for excuses for a yellow flag is making a drama out of sand corn.

#174 velgajski1

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:03

When drivers are being polite they're called PR robots, when they're being honest their behavior is deemed unsportmanship. :)

#175 hijinx

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:15

People, who consider Kimi's comments cool and/or fine, should never-ever criticize people like Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso giving comments/gestures in the heat of the moment either. Like Alonso waving to Petrov after Abu Dhabi 2010, Vettel being mad at Karthikeyan after Malaysia, Hamilton accusing stewards after Monaco 2011, etc.

I think we have no stats to prove that those people who consider Kimi's comments cool or fine are the exact people who criticize x,y,z for whatever accidents or gestures they made to other drivers. So ur statement is unjustified.

Also, Kimi did not cause other drivers to have accidents and didn't apologize to them, example his crash with Sutil & he apologized. He only caused a yellow flag.

#176 Atreiu

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:23

Kimi what happenned?

" I Spun"

It was like the most useless answer you can give to a question. Everybody knew he had spun so what was the point of giving a stupid answer?
I like Kimi, but he can be very cocky sometime.



It was a stupid question to begin with.

#177 Miggeex

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:24

When formula 1 drivers makes a mistake in any situation, they are mad for themselves. There isn't a one single reason why he should be thinking right after the mistake: "Oh no I ruined laps of some guys". Of course if the interview would've been taped 30 mins later the answer would have probably been completely different.

It wasn't a nice thing to say that's for sure, but we've seen it before: the answers right after any F1 incident are always pretty similar unless someone has taken someone out. That's when you need to be sorry. Like Michael was at Singapore.

When he gets a thread for this kind of short interview answer and there are 5 pages already, I don't really understand these comments like : "Kimi has nothing to give for F1 etc.". C'mon he's giving you something to talk about at the moment.

I'm sure that someone will turn all this against me calling me a "fanboy" and stuff. It's just what fans do so I get it. I am a huge F1 fan. I really enjoy arguing about these things

Edited by Miggeex, 06 October 2012 - 16:25.


#178 Cool Beans

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:31

Who gives a shit?

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:32

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:36

I'm amazed people are finding a way to defend him here. I dont think its as big a deal as some are making it out to be, but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.


defend him from what exactly?

the only thing he did wrong was spinning, and that was a mistake no one is defending.
There is nothing else he would need defense for, he doesnt care about others, that's an opinion, not an action, it doesnt matter if he cares or doesnt care, it doesnt change a thing...

if you wanna judge if someone is a sportsman, look at his action and his record.
it doesnt matter what you or anyone want to hear, what matters are his actions on the track, and there he is among the fairest drivers.
You dont have to pretend to care about other drivers lap times in order to be fair and sportsmanlike...

and that's the only difference there is compared to other drivers, he is just not pretending.
not for a second do I believe that any driver actually really cares about the lap times of the others, especially not after spinning and ruining their own lap.

Edited by beute, 06 October 2012 - 16:39.


#181 hijinx

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:39

defend him from what exactly?

the only thing he did wrong was spinning, and that was a mistake no one is defending.
There is nothing else he would need defense for, he doesnt care about others, that's an opinion, not an action, it doesnt matter if he cares or doesnt care, it doesnt change a thing...

if you wanna judge if someone is a sportsman, look at his action and his record.
it doesnt matter what you or anyone want to hear, what matters are his actions on the track, and there he is among the fairest drivers.
You dont have to pretend to care about other drivers lap times in order to be fair and sportsmanlike...

and that's the only difference there is compared to other drivers, he is just not pretending.
not for a second I believe that any driver actually really cares about the lap times of the others, especially not after spinning and ruining their own lap.

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#182 Menace

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:40

This is what all the hand wringing is about?? :lol:


Let the drama queens rant!!!

This thread is pure comedy!!! I have been laughing out loud since the first page! :rotfl:

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:40

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#184 sharo

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:46

The fact that there is such a huge response to this, so that mods had to even split it into a separate thread, shows that there's something very wrong in current F1, its image and the perception of the fans. We are between qualifying and race and one of the most busy threads is this one, the other being about a penalty.

#185 marcoferrari

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:46

An excellent reply to a really stupid question is what it was....he is one of the fairest drivers on the grid and you now have people complaining he didnt say sorry.

Kinda reminds me of those F.Massa comments after his injury in 09..''Kimi didnt even send me a card'' :rotfl: :lol: :lol:


And that is so incredibly cool or what?

Edited by marcoferrari, 06 October 2012 - 16:55.


#186 JRodrigues

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:47

He should have said:"I don't give a fuk to what other feel"

#187 OSX

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:55

Oh, the human race...


#188 bourbon

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:56

People, who consider Kimi's comments cool and/or fine, should never-ever criticize people like Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso giving comments/gestures in the heat of the moment either. Like Alonso waving to Petrov after Abu Dhabi 2010, Vettel being mad at Karthikeyan after Malaysia, Hamilton accusing stewards after Monaco 2011, etc.


Why? That is the way things are done in all fan bases. Heavily praise your favs and criticize the rest. :D

There is no fair in the fanzone...


#189 quidam

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:57

187 posts for peanuts :rotfl:

#190 seltaeb

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:00

Kimi isn't my favorite driver (maybe in my Top 5 of current F1 drivers, but that's it), but I love when he talks like this. Kimi, and any other driver (except maybe Piquet Jr.) would not cause a yellow flag on purpose, so when asked about how it affected the others, what's he supposed to say? I think he played it right. :D

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:02

An excellent reply to a really stupid question is what it was....he is one of the fairest drivers on the grid and you now have people complaining he didnt say sorry.

Kinda reminds me of those F.Massa comments after his injury in 09..''Kimi didnt even send me a card'' :rotfl: :lol: :lol:

Wasn't it the opposite? That when journos went pestering Massa trying to get some headline statements, telling him how Räikkönen had not gone to visit him, Massa told them that Räikkönen had not visited him but sent him a card, that Kimi had written-or whatever- by himself, and that, since he knew Kimi, he could appreciate it in what it was worth and it was okay with him?

Or did I just make that up?

That's how I remember it but, since I never pay much attention to that kind of stories, I might be completely and absolutely wrong.

#192 D.M.N.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:05

The point here is two things:

a) the media questions are extremely 'boring' nowadays in the pen and every race it is asking the same thing. There are no risky questions, or potentially controversial questions, the questions are always safe, or in some cases stupid. There's no real attempt to 'deviate'.
b) the drivers are too media trained for their own good. Therefore having Raikkonen say what he feels, although some may disagree with what he actually said, is a good thing. The "PR happy" world of Formula 1 grates a lot when you see drivers say exactly what they feel twenty years ago. The standard answers I think also has to do with the media pen in Formula 1 in that they get asked the same types of questions three times in a row to the point where it gets boring for the drivers. Very rarely does something controversial or interesting get noted in the pen, and instead only interesting things get noted after the event has happened.

PS - back on topic please.

#193 Sexton

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:06

Good lord...what a topic. If I was him I'd probably say the same thing since I don't really see any reason why I would care either. Once again a lot of fuss over nothing. :rotfl:

#194 Dolph

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:10

People, who consider Kimi's comments cool and/or fine, should never-ever criticize people like Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso giving comments/gestures in the heat of the moment either. Like Alonso waving to Petrov after Abu Dhabi 2010, Vettel being mad at Karthikeyan after Malaysia, Hamilton accusing stewards after Monaco 2011, etc.


And because you said this you should never be allowed to drink milk again or cross a road alone.

#195 Gorma

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:16

He is one of the fairest drivers out there, if not the fairest. Sportsmanship argument does not sell at all.

I second that. If Kimi should slow down because of yellow flags, he would be the first to say that these things happen in racing and there's nothing you can do about them.

#196 sailor

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:18

I completely agree. It's not the end of the world, but it is common courtesy.

But people are acting as if they heard Kimi say " i dont care " for the first time. Actually inital days his response to 90 % questions were those 3 syllables.

And those who like Kimi like him inspite of this apparent rude behaviour OR precisely because of this attitude. Thats the reason I dont understand the outrage.


And on top of it , its bloody TRUE. I couldnt care less what other drivers faced. When i heard Nat ask the question that was my first thought - " who the f... cares abt the rest"
Ditto when i saw him spin - i was like sh!t Kimi lost a golden opportunity to trim the points lead to Nando bigtime

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:40

This is what all the hand wringing is about?? :lol:


Was just going to say the same. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Think there might be a local shortage of paper hankies judging by the crying going on here.

Edited by Clatter, 06 October 2012 - 17:43.


#198 fum3s

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:02

WOW! What a revealing thread. Reading through it I wanted to jump in several times, but in the end there's no way to fix the way people react to other, different people - short of just filling the world with clones of yourself. So, I'll just try to pare away the layers of recrimination and get back to the basic point that Kimi gets along just fine with the other drivers, and it's what he says to them about the incident that matters, not what he says to some guy who shoves a microphone in his face. These people are living real lives, not the second-hand lives the journalists concoct, or the third-hand ones we here are limited to.



#199 SpaMaster

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:05

This thread is pure entertainment! :lol:


Beit of eh disaster for youhh and eh few others with the yellow flags!?
What the hell do you mean? Are you xxxing chiding me for causing yellow flags for others? How the hell do I care? xxxx off

:lol:

Beit of eh disaster for youhh and eh few others with the yellow flags!?
Yeah.

Does that sound better?

I love his answer to such a rude question. Spot on, I think! ;)

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:07

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