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#1 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:41

If Raikkonen deserves a thread for a "I don't care" comment, Alonso surely deserves one for his post-race comments:

First he blames Raikkonen for him retiring, while he himself pushed Kimi off the track and then drove into his FW.

"I don't understand why Kimi didn't lift off or anything because there was not any room. I don't know what Kimi's idea was for the first corner"

Well Alonso, Kimi was on the outside and planning to stay there. What the hell was your idea? So yeah, you got Button on your right, that doesn't mean you drive the guy on your left off the track. Especially not you're the one whining about leaving space all the time only a few races ago.

Next, he talks down Massa's second place, which is a great and much needed result for him:

"it's a bit because of the coincidences in the race that Felipe is second. There are cars which are a lot faster making a mistake after another and that has helped Felipe."

Way to support your team(mate) Alonso!
Okay, the first corner helped Massa in moving forward, but it was pretty clear that he had the pace to drive where he was driving. He wasn't P2 after the first lap if I remember correctly, and ended up there withouth being threatenend at any point of the race! That shows the car was the second quickest car as neither Button in the McLaren, nor the Saubers or Kimi in the Lotus could do anything about it.

Sounds like Fernando is in big denial about throwing away a lot of easy points and his championship lead all by himself!


PS. Note that these comments are giving after having been able to reflect on the matter for 56 laps!

Edited by F.M., 07 October 2012 - 08:43.


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#2 Massa

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:42

Whats wrong with you today ?

EDIT : for you

http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5960517

Edited by Massa, 07 October 2012 - 08:44.


#3 robefc

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:44

This is my favourite comment of his, very cantona-esque!



53m Fernando Alonso Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial

5 great races coming! If the enemy thinks in the mountains, attack by sea, if they think in the sea, attack by the mountains. #Leaders
Retweeted by James Allen

Edited by robefc, 07 October 2012 - 08:44.


#4 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:45

Whats wrong with you today ?

EDIT : for you

http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5960517

Seems like this is all the forum is for these days and I don't want to be left out :|

But I think I still made some valid points in the opening post here ;)

Edited by F.M., 07 October 2012 - 08:48.


#5 BernieEc

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:46

it looked like a racing incident to be honest guys....I don't think blame can be apportioned to one individual in this case.....

#6 Niceone

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:47

Alonso sounds like a spoiled brat. Thinks that everything revolves around him. Alonso could have lifted as well, but no decided to try to force another driver off track.

#7 Leyser

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:47

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This is my favourite comment of his, very cantona-esque!



53m Fernando Alonso Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial

5 great races coming! If the enemy thinks in the mountains, attack by sea, if they think in the sea, attack by the mountains. #Leaders
Retweeted by James Allen


Sea, mountains... If even if you have bloody wings you can't avoid a late braking lotus - ask webber!

#8 superdelphinus

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:48

The Massa thing is just to try and perpetuate his constant assertion that the car is shyte

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:49

Alonso sounds like a spoiled brat. Thinks that everything revolves around him. Alonso could have lifted as well, but no decided to try to force another driver off track.

Had Alonso lifted, Kimi would have crashed into his rear wing.

#10 goldenboy

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:49

I thought kimi was a little over ambitious there. Only just though.

However he does more than his fair share of being the more sensible driver when battling.

Edited by goldenboy, 07 October 2012 - 08:50.


#11 CrashPad

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:50

"I don't understand why Kimi didn't lift off or anything because there was not any room."
Hmm, I wonder if Alonso realizes that his actions and the fact that Kimi ran out of room have some sort of a correlation.

Nevertheless, a classic 1st lap incident, move on. Had it happened between, let's say DiResta and Rosberg, no one would give a damn.

Edited by CrashPad, 07 October 2012 - 08:52.


#12 BernieEc

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:50

I haven't seen the interview...what did he say about Massa???

#13 Boxerevo

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:50

Hamilton has no idea but Alonso has,Vettel is the chosen one and has more power than him.

Edited by Boxerevo, 07 October 2012 - 08:51.


#14 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:51

He does tend to make silly comments from time to time!

For what it's worth I didn't complain about what Kimi said, I complained that he lacked manners when talking to the press.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:52

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Alonso sounds like a spoiled brat. Thinks that everything revolves around him. Alonso could have lifted as well, but no decided to try to force another driver off track.


And then he would have taken himself and Kimi out of the race. :drunk:

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:52

"I don't understand why Kimi didn't lift off or anything because there was not any room."
Hmm, I wonder if Alonso realizes that his actions and the fact that Kimi ran out of room have some sort of a correlation.



And you fail to realise that Alonso was in sandwitch between Raikkonen and Button.

#17 Niceone

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:52

Had Alonso lifted, Kimi would have crashed into his rear wing.

If Alonso had lifted he could have taken his own driving line. Now he changed his line and collided.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:52

Alonso sounds like a spoiled brat. Thinks that everything revolves around him. Alonso could have lifted as well, but no decided to try to force another driver off track.

I suppose that the idea that had Alonso lifted it would have been worse (since Raikkonen was behind him) has not crossed your mind :confused:

#19 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:52

I haven't seen the interview...what did he say about Massa???

That Massa only got P2 because everyone else messed up

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:53

"I don't understand why Kimi didn't lift off or anything because there was not any room."
Hmm, I wonder if Alonso realizes that his actions and the fact that Kimi ran out of room have some sort of a correlation.

Typical Alonso. He acts like if there were two sets of rules: those that applied to his rivals, and those that applied to himself.

He, just like Schumacher in his golden years, is used to have drivers being bullied by him, backing up just because he is around. When a driver doesn't get bullied (Vettel, Kimi to mention Alonso's two recent cases, JPM with Schumacher) crashes and "interesting moments" happen.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:53

I suppose that the idea that had Alonso lifted it would have been worse (since Raikkonen was behind him) has not crossed your mind :confused:

Not if Alonso had backed out before pushing Raikkonen off track

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:53

Alonso did the same in Monaco to Grosjean. Others crashed. About time for him to suffer from his own moves. Others have driven enough circles areound him.

I'm sure Kimi was thinking in the heat of moment to let Alonso take himself out of the race if he wants. Kimi has avoided hits from many drivers this season, but this was the moment to take calculated risk with championship positions in mind and not back off. He barely kept the car on track, brilliant car control!

Edited by Mauseri, 07 October 2012 - 08:54.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:54

If Raikkonen deserves a thread for a "I don't care" comment, Alonso surely deserves one for his post-race comments:

First he blames Raikkonen for him retiring, while he himself pushed Kimi off the track and then drove into his FW.

"I don't understand why Kimi didn't lift off or anything because there was not any room. I don't know what Kimi's idea was for the first corner"

Well Alonso, Kimi was on the outside and planning to stay there. What the hell was your idea?

:p
Kimi was right next to him, and there was not any room? On watching the replays, I was surprised the way Alonso swerved dancing from one side to the other before coming near Kimi. I expected a tussle between Kimi and Alonso at the start, and I was wondering how cautious he may be given that Raikkonen may not be in a mood to give an inch as Alonso was the man he was determine to make up points against. But may be Alonso himself was thinking about Vettel and was planning to be as aggressive as possible.

Massa-Ferrari combo was genuinely faster than the McLarens today.

Edited by SpaMaster, 07 October 2012 - 08:55.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:54

Kimi and Grosjean are really made for one another :lol: Both are idiots sometimes, Kimi with those stupid comments "I dont care for other drivers". He really doesnt care like he shows us today. If Kimi ever leads the championship again I really hope the others will not care also. :up:

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:54

Alonso drove into Kimi simple as that.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:54

Fernando had all the space he needed I think.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:55

I suppose that the idea that had Alonso lifted it would have been worse (since Raikkonen was behind him) has not crossed your mind :confused:

No because if he had lifted he could have avoided unnecessary changing of driving line

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:55

Had Alonso lifted, Kimi would have crashed into his rear wing.


Errr. What race you were watching? Alonso did a "Grosjeanesque" weawing and forcing Kimi out of the track like Grosjean did to Hamilton in Spa.

Alonso should have given room to Kimi, that's all. Racing incident anyway, but there is no way Fred can blame Kimi on this.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:55

Looked a normal first corner incident. Alonso was just unfortunate that it led to an instant puncture.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:55

And you fail to realise that Alonso was in sandwitch between Raikkonen and Button.

Had he given Kimi a decent amount of the room in the first place the problem would not have arised even when Button started to close in.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:56

there was half of a car's room on the right of Alonso, while Kimi was down from the track with the left wheels. I don't understand how can anyone put the blame on Raikkonen for this.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:56

I haven't seen the interview...what did he say about Massa???

I saw the one on the Spanish TV. The journalist asked him about the performance of the car, basically she said something along the lines of "the car was very competitive, Massa was second". Alonso replied that the car was not competitive given the qualy results, that Massa's position was due to a) people with faster cars making mistakes and b) Massa having driven a fantastic race and compensated for the car's shortfalls.

The funny thing is that the same people who trash Alonso for saying that Massa's position was partly due to luck are the ones who have been repeating for the whole season that Alonso's positions were due to luck.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:57

Fernando had all the space he needed I think.

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Plenty of room to the right of Alonso.
Not surprising, though.. Alonso started P6 (right hand side of the track), Kimi P7 (left hand side of the track), and by turn 1, Alonso is all over the left, and putting Kimi off the road...

#34 peroa

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:57

Seems like Monti's pressure is building up.

#35 Niceone

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:57

Alonso drove into Kimi simple as that.

I think that these people who claims that it was Räikkönen's fault are just trolling (I want to believe). On the other hand there's people who claim that Canada 2008 pitlane incident was Kimi's fault

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:57

Fernando had all the space he needed I think.

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In the first picture look where is Button.. And then look at the second picture where he is... And you will know why Alonso came to the left...

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:58

That Massa only got P2 because everyone else messed up

That is not what he said on Spanish TV - see my post above. BTW, you sound quite resetnful with the guy, if I may say.

Edited by Fontainebleau, 07 October 2012 - 08:59.


#38 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:58

Kimi and Grosjean are really made for one another :lol: Both are idiots sometimes, Kimi with those stupid comments "I dont care for other drivers". He really doesnt care like he shows us today. If Kimi ever leads the championship again I really hope the others will not care also. :up:

Yeah, Alonso cares for other drivers. First he pushes Kimi off the track and then blames him for not making room. Then, Massa, his teammate, gets a well deserved 2nd place and Alonso says it wasn't deserved because he only ended up there because all the other drivers around him f*cked up today. Himself being the first one :p

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:59

it looked like a racing incident to be honest guys....I don't think blame can be apportioned to one individual in this case.....


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:00

Alonso was lucky that he did not take other drivers out, and drives Ferrari. Otherwise he would get race bans with this kind of driving.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:00

This is an outrage. If it were any other driver baby seals would be clubbed to death in the streets by now. I don't understand why people think Alonso is cool he is a jerk. This is a double standard. He should present Kimi with a flower bouquet. I always knew that guy was shifty etc. etc. etc.

Edited by beancounter, 07 October 2012 - 09:02.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:01

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Alonso was in sandiwch of Mclaren , Sauber and Raikkonen.
0.16 Alonso and Raikkonen side by side
0.17 Alonso trying to go inside and give more space for Kimi ,but also Mclaren same time is going outside, there was no place for Raikkonen right now, he should back of, but probably he didn't see what is going on.

Edited by ArkZ, 07 October 2012 - 09:04.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:01

If Raikkonen deserves a thread for a "I don't care" comment, Alonso surely deserves one for his post-race comments:

First he blames Raikkonen for him retiring, while he himself pushed Kimi off the track and then drove into his FW.

"I don't understand why Kimi didn't lift off or anything because there was not any room. I don't know what Kimi's idea was for the first corner"

Well Alonso, Kimi was on the outside and planning to stay there. What the hell was your idea? So yeah, you got Button on your right, that doesn't mean you drive the guy on your left off the track. Especially not you're the one whining about leaving space all the time only a few races ago.

Next, he talks down Massa's second place, which is a great and much needed result for him:

"it's a bit because of the coincidences in the race that Felipe is second. There are cars which are a lot faster making a mistake after another and that has helped Felipe."

Way to support your team(mate) Alonso!
Okay, the first corner helped Massa in moving forward, but it was pretty clear that he had the pace to drive where he was driving. He wasn't P2 after the first lap if I remember correctly, and ended up there withouth being threatenend at any point of the race! That shows the car was the second quickest car as neither Button in the McLaren, nor the Saubers or Kimi in the Lotus could do anything about it.

Sounds like Fernando is in big denial about throwing away a lot of easy points and his championship lead all by himself!


PS. Note that these comments are giving after having been able to reflect on the matter for 56 laps!



He can talk down Massa's 2nd place all he wants, just makes him look stupid. It was a strong drive. Nobody else was close to beating him into 2nd.

I sometimes think Massa would be much better off going back to Sauber. He needs a better environment for his own mind set i think.

#44 Wingcommander

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:01

"All the time you have to leave a space" -Fernando Alonso, Bahrain 2012.

#45 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:02

"All the time you have to leave a space" -Fernando Alonso, Bahrain 2012.

Monza quotes as well please :D

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:02

Yeah, Alonso cares for other drivers. First he pushes Kimi off the track and then blames him for not making room. Then, Massa, his teammate, gets a well deserved 2nd place and Alonso says it wasn't deserved because he only ended up there because all the other drivers around him f*cked up today. Himself being the first one :p


Yeah he really didnt say it was deserved did he:
Gran carrera de @Felipe1Massa !! Fantástico podio! Great race by @Felipe1Massa !! Fantastic podium!


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:03

And you fail to realise that Alonso was in sandwitch between Raikkonen and Button.



Yes, but one of the slices of bread was a good metre away, room for plenty of filling, Alonso reaped the "benefits" of what he sowed, it may have been a racing incident, but it was an avoidable one, It's Alonso's comments afterwards that show exactly what a cry baby he is, reminiscent of his fist waving at Petrov.

#48 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:07


Alonso was in sandiwch of Mclaren , Sauber and Raikkonen.
0.16 Alonso and Raikkonen side by side
0.17 Alonso trying to go inside ,but also Mclaren same time is going outside, there was no place for Raikkonen right now, he should back of, but probably he didn't see what is going on.

Kimi just stayed in the same place (outside) all the time. It's not his job to back off and give space to the guys that also want to drive on the outside.
It is his job to evaluate and decide what risk he wants to take with stupid moves of the other drivers. This time he held his foot firm, and rightfully so. Thank god he had a bit of luck on his side this time and it was the one making the stupid move to crash out.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:08

In the first picture look where is Button.. And then look at the second picture where he is... And you will know why Alonso came to the left...


Nope, watch the video, Button has nothing to do with Alonso's mindless movement.

Edited by tommi34, 07 October 2012 - 09:08.


#50 F.M.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:10

Yeah he really didnt say it was deserved did he:
Gran carrera de @Felipe1Massa !! Fantástico podio! Great race by @Felipe1Massa !! Fantastic podium!

Yes, Alonso says and admits that Massa drove a good race, but he also says Massa actually had no business being there in 2nd place and it was only because of the mistakes of others and that is not true.