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#1 jrally

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:42

Good morning !

I would like to know if someone have the complete results (over 30th place) of RAC Rally 1969 that could share !

Thank You in advance
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Jorge

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 16:36

Autosport lists only 30 finishers - perhaps there were no more?

#3 jrally

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 16:47

Autosport lists only 30 finishers - perhaps there were no more?


Thank You, Mr. McKinney , for your reply !
In my data, 69 finnishers !

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Jorge

#4 RS2000

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 20:20

I think we are probably looking for the Motoring News report. This was the period when Gerry Phillips was "Verglas" there and ensured detailed reports were included - finishers at least, if not all retirements (those were listed in some later years).
Nick Wa from here (No.52 on 69 RAC) was one of the first of the next 39 but I don't think he has any paperwork from it now.
I can also confirm No.101 finished. Darren Galpin's site has a list but not actual positions beyond 30th.

#5 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:24

Motoring News does have the full results - 69 finishers.

Unfortunately I am unable to upload a scan of the results because Image Shack doesn't seem to know me anymore.

If you send me your email address I will send the scan direct to you.

#6 jrally

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:57

Motoring News does have the full results - 69 finishers.

Unfortunately I am unable to upload a scan of the results because Image Shack doesn't seem to know me anymore.

If you send me your email address I will send the scan direct to you.


Thank You very much, Mr. Fistonic !
I have send You a PM

Best regards
Jorge

#7 RS2000

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:10

Milan Fistonic has invited me to post what he scanned as he is currently having problems with such posts. Nick Wa will be surprised to discover he apparently had an extra 200cc! (the post event scrutineers suspected it too and were proved absolutely wrong at strip inspection!)

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#8 RS2000

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:19

or not...unless I can make it post correctly to size...

#9 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:09

I've given up on Image Shack and now I'm trying Photo Bucket


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:47

Real nostalgia! That was the first RAC Rally that I watched. I knew next to nothing about rallying (and some say I still don't) but it started me off on a life long love affair.

Interesting to look at some of the names in the finishers list. That boy Brookes (finished 43rd) - did he ever amount to anything, I wonder?  ;)
And why rally a 850cc Mini rather than a 998 Cooper? Was there an up to 850cc class, or was it just a question of money?

Also note that Nissan-Datsun won the team award. I thought the Nissan name didn't come into use until the late 1970s?

#11 RS2000

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 22:02

Real nostalgia! That was the first RAC Rally that I watched. I knew next to nothing about rallying (and some say I still don't) but it started me off on a life long love affair.
Interesting to look at some of the names in the finishers list. That boy Brookes (finished 43rd) - did he ever amount to anything, I wonder?;)
And why rally a 850cc Mini rather than a 998 Cooper? Was there an up to 850cc class, or was it just a question of money?
Also note that Nissan-Datsun won the team award. I thought the Nissan name didn't come into use until the late 1970s?


There was still an 850 class at the time (Saab two strokes had been 841cc so it wasn't just for Minis) but 69 was the last year for the RAC. 1970 lowest capacity class was 1100 (or 1150?).
In his early days (and like many he did major Internationals before he ever did MN rallies etc.) Brookes was a past master at selecting classes. ALX 501B was everything from 850 Mini to 1293 Cooper S as the same shell.
Certainly for people like Tony Rumney in an 850 on this event it was a matter of doing the RAC the cheapest way available.
Similar question often arises now: "why use a 998 Cooper instead of a 970S?". Answer is a lot of private entrants then used new cars on the RAC and then sold them on or used them up on lesser rallies. No new 970 Ss after 1964 and not many around to buy used. Building a car from a bare shell was not really the norm then.
One or two Coopers seem to have become Cooper Ss on that list, including the 46th finisher, which I serviced for using another 998 Cooper (on the basis that we would switch some parts from the service car if needed and so have room for the kettle and stove).
Nissan-Datsun was probably just the name on the team entry. Sure actual cars were Datsuns through the 240Z period.

Edited by RS2000, 09 October 2012 - 22:09.


#12 RS2000

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 22:20

A rainy car park behind the Wynstay Arms in Machynlleth - sadly in the news this week - on the 69 RAC.
The foot in the white plimsoll behind the figure in front is mine. We were all very young and very stupid and thought it "well hard" to be soaked to the skin in inappropriate clothing in November. Actually it was quite warm in Wales that year, despite the snow in Keilder etc...

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:45

Actually it was quite warm in Wales that year

?????!!!
It was a rapid thaw, that car park had 15-30 mm of water on top of the "permafrost" with "icebergs"(slush) floating about.


#14 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:18

?????!!!
It was a rapid thaw, that car park had 15-30 mm of water on top of the "permafrost" with "icebergs"(slush) floating about.



From The MN report.

The whole event was characterised by changes in the weather which produced in turn, deep snow, ice, heavy rain and sunshine.

#15 RS2000

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 16:03

Throughout the first leg we had a less than perfect engine in the service car, probably from carb icing (open ram pipes, despite them sitting above the exhaust manifold) and having the heater full on all the time, reducing engine temp. It was particularly bad in the north east. The snow started leaving the N.Yorks stages and was well covered by Hamsterley (remember Chris Sclater's crew struggling with their big American station wagon). Mid Wales on the final leg, the car ran sweetly in the rain because of warmer, denser air. Rally car (same engine spec) had no such problems (and yes, I did have "richer" needles in the SUs).
Early on we had the wretched Mini problem of the heater valve gland on top of the head failing. Rather than blank it off and suffer, we managed to re-seal it by wrapping layers of string tightly around the shaft, jamming the heater full on. Others knew of the problem and assumed we had no working heater. We just lapped up all the sympathy (no wonder it seemed warm to us in Wales...). At the Blackpool overnight halt, Duckhams had no antifreeze and I left them arguing amongst themselves over who decided not to bring any. We drained the car overnight to be safe and refilled with plain water in the morning, aided by the staff of the Imperial Hotel.

Many thanks to Milan for finding MN's later correction to the results. GP didn't let them get way with errors like that.

Currently working on 70 and 71 RAC entry lists and surprised to see how many others had copied Nick Wa's pioneering of the 1100 Escort in 69.

#16 LittleBertha

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 16:35

RAC -1969 - Dave Jenkins and John Green

64th car home and now nearing completion of a five year restoration

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 17:48

Also note that Nissan-Datsun won the team award. I thought the Nissan name didn't come into use until the late 1970s?


It might seem a little confusing to us peering in from the outside, but for the last 80-odd years the name 'Datsun' has just been something tacked onto certain Nissan products ( mainly for export ). The company pretty much always was Nissan.


Nissan-Datsun was probably just the name on the team entry. Sure actual cars were Datsuns through the 240Z period.


Yes, the cars would have worn the 'Datsun' badges as that's what the cars were badged as for export markets. They were built by Nissan though, and for the Monte and Safari the entrant was 'Nissan Motors Ltd'. Usually on the RAC it was the proper Works team from Japan - based locally, at OWSS - but sometimes with entrant as 'Datsun UK Ltd.' ( the concessionaire at that time ) even though Datsun UK wanted little to do with it all....