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#1 Ali_G

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:19

Today was just desperate stuff from the TV director.

1. We always get those blood start replays just as the drivers start the third lap. The problem ? Just as DRS is activated and just when the pack are at their closest together when DRS is activated.
2. Today we had several laps after the start behind the safety car. Perfect time to show endless start replays you'd think. No. The director decided to show the entire safety car period and the second we got back to racing, he decided to run the endless ****ing replays of the start.
3. On the last lap, Button was all over Koba. We had an exciting moment coming up where Button might attempt to overtake Koba going into the triangle hairpin. What do we get instead. Vettel and Massa waltzing over the line for a 1st and 2nd. We didn't see a thing of what happened between Koba and Button until they appeared on the start - finish straight. Shocking stuff.

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#2 ocp

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:22

As far as I know Japan GP is the only race where a local/Japan director/TV is used.

All other races are under FOM.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:23

Totally agree, very annoying! I just thought the same during today's race...

#4 Boxerevo

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:24

2. Today we had several laps after the start behind the safety car. Perfect time to show endless start replays you'd think. No. The director decided to show the entire safety car period and the second we got back to racing, he decided to run the endless ****ing replays of the start.

Damn,same here.




#5 Realyn

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:24

Not at all. They covered But/Kob all the time before and it's completly reasonable to show the first and second driver to cross the finish line.

Also "entire safety car period"? Can't remember it being 5 laps. Seriously, bitching about nothing.

#6 phil1993

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:24

As far as I know Japan GP is the only race where a local/Japan director/TV is used.

All other races are under FOM.


FOM took over from Fuji TV this season.

#7 Donkey

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:27

I hate this 'Show multiple replays of start on lap 4 regardless of what is happening in the race or who is just about to make an overtake'.

I don't mind them showing the 2nd place driver, although they didn't switch back to the racing for 3rd/4th quick enough.

Another fail was showing Grosjean retiring for more than 10 seconds while the Kobayashi/Button battle was really close.

#8 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:29

Several? It was out for about a lap and a half, during which time numerous cars went into the pits and so were understandably focussed on by the director. I agree about the 'showing start replays at the beginning of lap 3' comment though as that seems to happen every race, usually with too many replays going on for too long.

#9 Ali_G

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:31

Not at all. They covered But/Kob all the time before and it's completly reasonable to show the first and second driver to cross the finish line.

Also "entire safety car period"? Can't remember it being 5 laps. Seriously, bitching about nothing.


Where did I say it was 5 laps :confused:

And I'm not bitching about nothing. I'm paying for Sky to watch this bloody show and I expect FOM to put someone competant in the TV Director position.

#10 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:35

FOM director:

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they (he) show the replay(s) of the start ALWAYS in the most awkward moments (when there is action in the first laps). In every race!

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 07 October 2012 - 12:38.


#11 Sakae

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:35

May I add that I am happy because Seb won, regardless of TV. :D

#12 WonderboyF1

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:43

Any body notice the computerised graphics on the starting grid of the drivers names, and im sure there was a Pirelli logo in similar fashion, iv not seen this before.

#13 SpaMaster

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 13:41

Exactly my thoughts as well during the race. In this day and age how difficult is to get instant replays and relay it right away during the SC period. That was downright ridiculous. Same during the race end. I wanted to know about the battles behind.

#14 D.M.N.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 13:52

Today was just desperate stuff from the TV director.

1. We always get those blood start replays just as the drivers start the third lap. The problem ? Just as DRS is activated and just when the pack are at their closest together when DRS is activated.
2. Today we had several laps after the start behind the safety car. Perfect time to show endless start replays you'd think. No. The director decided to show the entire safety car period and the second we got back to racing, he decided to run the endless ****ing replays of the start.
3. On the last lap, Button was all over Koba. We had an exciting moment coming up where Button might attempt to overtake Koba going into the triangle hairpin. What do we get instead. Vettel and Massa waltzing over the line for a 1st and 2nd. We didn't see a thing of what happened between Koba and Button until they appeared on the start - finish straight. Shocking stuff.

We only actually had a lap behind the SC, it came out at the end of lap 1 and went in at the end of lap 2. There were a few pit-stops as well at the end of lap 1 (which would be when the other drivers' were a quarter of the way around lap 2) so there would not have been enough time to get the replays up before the SC came in.

As for the last lap bit, you have always seen the winner cross the line, always irrespective of what may be happening behind. I thought the director did well actually, seemed to catch the majority of things live.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 14:04

If you watch Live Timing (when it works...) you see small 0.4 gaps between drivers. Not even a camera glance. But what DID we got? A Vettel slomo through the chicane or a lonely Massa. Why not picture in picture with battles showing?

Did anyone see the ROS vs. SENNA crash?


Next year the F1 is probably going to PayTV here (NL), but race direction is dire the last couple of seasons and not a way to shell money out of your pocket. Also the Live Timing on the FIA site is ~10 years the same and in this day and age utterly useless:
- it lags, today it froze for 4+ laps two times.
- no tire indication
- no stats on previous stops and which tire
- no best lap/last lap times
- sorting of drivers only when a lap has passed, not a sector.
- no weather radar
- no cars on a virtual track
etc.
There is a mobile app for way to much money.

#16 r4mses

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 14:20

For starters they should show the race start from above. You don't see anything in that shitty end-of-the-straight-camera.

Talking about cameras. get rid of those wide angle+zoom cams far away from the track - the cars look like they're driving at 50km/h. take fixed focal lengths or get closer to the track and turn the cams, so you get to see how fast the cars really are.

#17 Rob G

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 14:29

Not at all. They covered But/Kob all the time before and it's completly reasonable to show the first and second driver to cross the finish line.

Also "entire safety car period"? Can't remember it being 5 laps. Seriously, bitching about nothing.

I agree 100% with the OP. It's one thing to show Massa crossing the line, but it's showing him coasting and waving for what seemed like half a minute afterwards is stupid when you've got a dramatic battle playing itself out. In fact, seeing as though the director was presumably Japanese, I'm surprised they showed Massa finishing at all. Perhaps he was trying too hard to look impartial?

And not showing the replays until the moment the guys went back to racing was inexcusable.

#18 KirilVarbanov

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 14:41

Did anyone see the ROS vs. SENNA crash?

No, directing was out of order today, really bad, but it puts the whole production right to the level of the race edits uploaded on F1.com, where the Live Timing brings some good old memories of the 90's - really nice era, but computing has evolved, so did the technologies.



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Posted 07 October 2012 - 14:43

For starters they should show the race start from above. You don't see anything in that shitty end-of-the-straight-camera.

Talking about cameras. get rid of those wide angle+zoom cams far away from the track - the cars look like they're driving at 50km/h. take fixed focal lengths or get closer to the track and turn the cams, so you get to see how fast the cars really are.


yeah, for some strange reason they don't use the helicopter footage that they shoot anymore, remember it from the past.

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#20 DrProzac

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:04

@op: Yeah, I found that annoying as well.

Edited by DrProzac, 07 October 2012 - 15:04.


#21 johnmhinds

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:04

I don't think they had a helicopter camera for this race. All the high shots seemed to be from the crane cameras.
So it seems a bit rough to be complaining that the race director wasn't showing an overhead shot of the race start. :p

I don't think they can use a helicopter around this track because of things like the big wheel and TV antennas around the circuit.

Edited by johnmhinds, 07 October 2012 - 15:07.


#22 SenorSjon

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:27

They have medical helicopters as well, so one with a camera shouldn't be a problem.



The TV feed seemingly gets worse every race. It is harder to miss everything than to film it. I think it is quite annoying to have such below-par footage.

#23 johnmhinds

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:28

They have medical helicopters as well, so one with a camera shouldn't be a problem.



The TV feed seemingly gets worse every race. It is harder to miss everything than to film it. I think it is quite annoying to have such below-par footage.


A medical helicopter leaving the track once is different to having one buzzing around obstacles all around the track for 2 hours.

And what exactly was missed by the race director during this race? I don't know what anyone is complaining about really.

Edited by johnmhinds, 07 October 2012 - 15:29.


#24 michal2009b

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:34

I agree with you.

TV director also missed Rosberg/Senna incident at the start, but we saw 100 times how Alonso retired...


#25 SenorSjon

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:35

You see small gaps (<1 second) on Live Timing, but there is no footage of it. The SEN-ROS crash was not replayed etc etc.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:36

I agree 100% with the OP. It's one thing to show Massa crossing the line, but it's showing him coasting and waving for what seemed like half a minute afterwards is stupid when you've got a dramatic battle playing itself out. In fact, seeing as though the director was presumably Japanese, I'm surprised they showed Massa finishing at all. Perhaps he was trying too hard to look impartial?

And not showing the replays until the moment the guys went back to racing was inexcusable.


I didn't see Massa'a father in the pits today. Maybe he was in the booth?

"Hey Ferrari! Look! My boy is second! Please keep him on, we've rented his room for next year."

#27 Jejking

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:40

We only actually had a lap behind the SC, it came out at the end of lap 1 and went in at the end of lap 2. There were a few pit-stops as well at the end of lap 1 (which would be when the other drivers' were a quarter of the way around lap 2) so there would not have been enough time to get the replays up before the SC came in.

As for the last lap bit, you have always seen the winner cross the line, always irrespective of what may be happening behind. I thought the director did well actually, seemed to catch the majority of things live.

Are you for real?

Ok, showing the winner on the line is one thing but the fight for 3rd was still on. And that involved the NATIONAL HERO. If it was orchestrated by Japanese peeps, or FOM, either way: focus on that please. This was horribly annoying.

#28 johnmhinds

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:41

You see small gaps (<1 second) on Live Timing, but there is no footage of it. The SEN-ROS crash was not replayed etc etc.


See there are people saying they replay the start too much, and there are other that say not enough of it was shown.
You can't win. :p

It shouldn't really be surprising that an accident or close racing towards the back of the pack isn't shown as much as the drivers fighting for the title.
Have you guys only just started watching F1? It has always been like this...

#29 SpaMaster

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:45

For starters they should show the race start from above. You don't see anything in that shitty end-of-the-straight-camera.

Talking about cameras. get rid of those wide angle+zoom cams far away from the track - the cars look like they're driving at 50km/h. take fixed focal lengths or get closer to the track and turn the cams, so you get to see how fast the cars really are.

Both good points. Particularly the first one. Top view would be the best to watch race starts.

#30 garoidb

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 16:06

Today was just desperate stuff from the TV director.

1. We always get those blood start replays just as the drivers start the third lap. The problem ? Just as DRS is activated and just when the pack are at their closest together when DRS is activated.
2. Today we had several laps after the start behind the safety car. Perfect time to show endless start replays you'd think. No. The director decided to show the entire safety car period and the second we got back to racing, he decided to run the endless ****ing replays of the start.
3. On the last lap, Button was all over Koba. We had an exciting moment coming up where Button might attempt to overtake Koba going into the triangle hairpin. What do we get instead. Vettel and Massa waltzing over the line for a 1st and 2nd. We didn't see a thing of what happened between Koba and Button until they appeared on the start - finish straight. Shocking stuff.


I would like to know whether onboard footage of Kimi's start exists, as that would be by far the most illuminating in terms of the coming-together with Alonso. If they have it , why not show it?
If they don't, why not?

#31 muramasa

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 16:18


Maybe switching got more difficult because they put more cameras on track from this year :p
(Actually I'm not so sure it's started from this year or last year or before, but they are putting cameras at some nice, unprecedented points on track. These new cameras are capturing dynamics and nuances of Suzuka circuit very well, i like it and really enjoyed it)

Edited by muramasa, 07 October 2012 - 16:18.


#32 jjcale

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 16:25

I found it different ...but not annoyning ... a nice one off change from the usual (slightly stale) formula.

#33 DrProzac

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 17:28

And what exactly was missed by the race director during this race? I don't know what anyone is complaining about really.

Race director not showing start replays when he should (during SC period) and than showing them right after restart, when a lot was happening. That's my complain. The rest was quite normal.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 18:07

Several? It was out for about a lap and a half, during which time numerous cars went into the pits and so were understandably focussed on by the director.

It was still long enough to show start replays, and I've never understood this pitstop fixation. Unless the fueltank explodes they're dull. Just tell us what happened afterwards. Backmarker changes nosecone? Whooptydoo.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 18:59

Today was just desperate stuff from the TV director.

1. We always get those blood start replays just as the drivers start the third lap. The problem ? Just as DRS is activated and just when the pack are at their closest together when DRS is activated.


DRS today was allowed to be activated after 5th lap, not 3rd (because of SC period), wasn't it?

In general, my point of view is that the race was aired as it should. If there were some, well let's say "dark" side moments, like Rosberg and Senna incident, that's still acceptable.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 20:42

I think they should adopt picture in picture so when showing replays, they should show the current race on a small window on the side.

#37 BetaVersion

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 21:04

I completely agree, TV directing in F1 is HORRIBLE

Really stupid people controlling what to show :eek:

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 21:48

Although F1 TV production has improved last years from the abyss that it was in for decades, and thankfully Japan now not done locally, it's still atrocious. The restart replay is one thing, but the major things are ignored like qualy laps always missed, pit stops shown instead of hot track action, fighting cars always cut away right before the attack, and hardly ever showing relation of cars when coming out of pits which almost always decides placings.

In the old days it was so frustrating that I remember being put off by the whole sport, but how F1 can not have pinnacle production when F1 is a pinnacle sport is beyond understanding unless it's purposely held back so people will be motivated to pay for a better production.

#39 Longtimefan

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 21:49

Totally agree about the replays.

I've been screaming about that all season, its crazy they show 2 mins of replays from a load of different angles/cars just as the race hits lap 3. its stupid and I'm amazed we've not yet missed a huge incident occurring.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 22:20

also agree with all points the OP raises.

in particular point 1. why when the race is just warming up do they cut to start replays? it makes no sense at all. i'd be more than happy for them to wait till the 75% mark, when it is often getting a bit dull, much like they do in motoGP.

i'm guessing the tv director isn't actually an f1 fan.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 22:24

I quite like one start replay at the beginning of the race if I've missed something. However, I do agree that there are far too many. For instance, the onboards are quite unnecessary and should wait until the quiet end of the race.