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#1 SteF1an

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:47

Race Date: 14 Oct 2012
Circuit Name: Korea International Circuit
First Grand Prix: 2010
Number of Laps: 55
Circuit Length: 5.615 km
Race Distance: 308.630 km
Lap Record: 1:39.605 - S Vettel (2011)

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Spent monday in Tokyo. Looking forward to #Korea. You can expect big tech updates by Red Bull, Lotus & Ferrari.

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#2 BoxToOvertake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:50

another big upgrade from redbull , where the **** will they go next ?

#3 BoxToOvertake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:54

its a fantastic race track and is mighty in all the three f1 games :lol:

#4 Yoshi

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:56

@TobiasGrünerF1 (AMuS)
Spent monday in Tokyo. Looking forward to #Korea. You can expect big tech updates by Red Bull, Lotus & Ferrari.


According to this tweet, no updates for Ferrari until India GP.

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No big car updates for Alonso until India http://www.f1talks.p...iero-w-indiach/



#5 eronrules

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:01

ok ... here's a bet ... will the update on Lotus actually work??? or will we hear another list of excuses from parmane and boulier. ):


I'm sick and tired of them trying stupid tests with kimi ... give the testing to RoGro, let kimi concentrate of high fuel and setup runs. in japanese gp, it showed his lack of high fuel running was costing him speed and eventually lost 5th place to hamilton.

#6 Yoshi

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:05

ok ... here's a bet ... will the update on Lotus actually work??? or will we hear another list of excuses from parmane and boulier. ):


I hope they will work.

#7 King Six

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:11

I read somewhere this GP has lost 20 million worth of sponsors recently.

#8 BoxToOvertake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:17

http://motorsport.ne.....erm=#formula1

they say here that they make losses form hosting the grand prix but they say its worthwhile . and that the 1988 olympic games in seol lost money as well

#9 Atreiu

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:22

Above his average, but still typical Tilke stuff... Straight, hairpin, straight, hairpin, straight, hairpin, slow elbow to the left, slow elbow to the right and only then does it become interesting, but still with slow corners here and there. If Suzuka is anything to go by, it should be Red Bull, McLaren (if they stop shooting their own feet in all possible sorts) and then a huge battle for the rest. Perfect for Vettel.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:23

Could be pretty wet, just like in 2010

#11 eronrules

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:25

http://motorsport.ne.....erm=#formula1

they say here that they make losses form hosting the grand prix but they say its worthwhile . and that the 1988 olympic games in seol lost money as well



but hosting olympics once and hosting GP yearly is two different thing. 20 milliion per race is huge, and also this track is hardly used as far as i know. i actually like this Tilke track design (except the first corner, why not hairpin for overtaking). also korea has Auto-industry, so a race is logical than say at a place like Hungary.

#12 MadYarpen

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:29

I would like to see a gangham style celebration from a race winner. Just saying.

#13 BRG

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:53

So, will they have done any more work to finish off the track since last year?

And will there be any spectators?

Edited by BRG, 08 October 2012 - 13:53.


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:04

So, will they have done any more work to finish off the track since last year?

And will there be any spectators?


There will be at least one! A week ago I was looking up sports bars in Hong Kong where I could watch the race, now on an impulse buy I'm actually going there. I have only been to one other race before and that was Silverstone in 2008; as a Hamilton fan it quite simply could not have got any better for my first race. Desperately hoping I'm a good luck charm. Vettel and Alonso to get lost on the way to the circuit?

#15 BRG

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:06

There will be at least one!

I hope you have a great time, I suspect there won't be much crowding so you should get a good view!

It would be interesting to hear your comments after the race.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:14

I hope you have a great time, I suspect there won't be much crowding so you should get a good view!

It would be interesting to hear your comments after the race.


Thanks, I will definitely report back with my findings. There really isn't much information about the Korean GP which I imagine is one of the reasons it's so poorly attended. The grandstand I'm in (G) was recommended to me by Ravenak, another poster on this forum who will also be there at Yeongam, so at least I know I won't be standing alone in an empty grandstand!

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:36

There will be at least one! A week ago I was looking up sports bars in Hong Kong where I could watch the race, now on an impulse buy I'm actually going there. I have only been to one other race before and that was Silverstone in 2008; as a Hamilton fan it quite simply could not have got any better for my first race. Desperately hoping I'm a good luck charm. Vettel and Alonso to get lost on the way to the circuit?


Wow good luck and enjoy! If Lewis wins 2008 Silverstone style we will need to organise a whip round and get you out to all of the remaining races :)

Regards Mike

#18 King Six

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:55

I think the Korean race does get a decent amount of spectators, they're improving the travel links too. The race track itself is also pretty good. South Korea is a very good market for F1, but they've really cocked it up in so many ways. I have no idea what the hell the track is doing so far away from Seoul and in the middle of nowhere. Probably one of the most annoyingly managed F1 races considering the potential that South Korea has.

I think they were banking too much on the idea of a city being build around the race track, the plan was rather ambitious...not to say it still won't happen, I guess the downturn just hit everything badly.

Edited by King Six, 08 October 2012 - 14:55.


#19 Juggles

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:22

Wow good luck and enjoy! If Lewis wins 2008 Silverstone style we will need to organise a whip round and get you out to all of the remaining races :)

Regards Mike


It's a tough life being a lucky charm eh? I really hope I get to hold you to this. I think Red Bull's dominance in Suzuka was exaggerated given Button was only four tenths off Vettel in qualifying. Vettel has already talked about absolutely nailing the setup and we know Hamilton usually has a couple of tenths over Button. The Button penalty and particularly the Hamilton setup fiasco made it look far worse than it was. I see qualifying being back to Singapore spec; i.e. Hamilton and Vettel nip and tuck with the driver who delivers most on that last lap in Q3 getting it. Shame about Red Bull's DDRS being fitted just in time for one of the longest straights in F1 but oh well, must be positive.

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#20 taz

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:32

So how is the track at the moment? still a nucleair wasteland just like last year and the year before? :p :)

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:36

Could be pretty wet, just like in 2010


As far as I'm aware it's going to be pretty warm the entire weekend! A bit humid but expecting sunshine and around 22-25 degrees in the race.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:49

http://motorsport.ne.....erm=#formula1

they say here that they make losses form hosting the grand prix but they say its worthwhile . and that the 1988 olympic games in seol lost money as well

Not surprising... Olympic games usually lost money but their "added" value is in the development of areas where the olympic facilites are built, and the use of the same afterwards (no wonder Greece...)

Back to the topic, I am surprised they were not stripped from the race after last year. The teams mentioned that the first thing they had to do upon arrival was to clean the fridges, taking out the leftovers that they left there a year ago...

#23 BoxToOvertake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:04

remember also the chaotic pit lane exit :D which feeds directly to braking zone of turn 1

#24 SamH123

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:23

Looks sunny again: http://f1weather.com...early-forecast/

#25 eronrules

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:17

according to Allison, lotusF1 bringing Coanda Exhaust to korea as well as rear body modifications. fingers crossed :well:

#26 Fastcake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:40

I stand by what I said before the first race, this circuit is just too squiggly. There's no real flow to it, just one long straight followed by endless back and forth turns. Not Tilke's finest hour.

So, will they have done any more work to finish off the track since last year?


Probably not, and if this really is the last race here I'm guessing they never will do. That whole city plan was ridiculously optimistic, even if it was planned before the current downturn. I'm hoping the pictures don't still show it as a muddy wasteland.

Thanks, I will definitely report back with my findings. There really isn't much information about the Korean GP which I imagine is one of the reasons it's so poorly attended. The grandstand I'm in (G) was recommended to me by Ravenak, another poster on this forum who will also be there at Yeongam, so at least I know I won't be standing alone in an empty grandstand!


Have fun you two. :) Btw, have you considered Abu Dhabi too, because they need a crowd!

#27 Sinceref189

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:49

I see Vettel owning this track and jumping Alonso in the WDC :cool:

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:23

Probably not, and if this really is the last race here I'm guessing they never will do. That whole city plan was ridiculously optimistic, even if it was planned before the current downturn. I'm hoping the pictures don't still show it as a muddy wasteland.


Actually, I hope it looks worse than last year. At least it gave the race, and the track some unique character. Which many new tracks lacks!
Have to try to look at everything on a positive way! :p

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:31

Actually, I hope it looks worse than last year. At least it gave the race, and the track some unique character. Which many new tracks lacks!

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:50

Was thinking about how the Toro Rosso's would do here after their surge down the long straight here last year, should be on course for some more good points.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:28

If they had one long parabolica type of corner connecting turns 4 and 6 this would be a badass track.

Anyway, I hope the Mclaren is very fast here and the Rb and Ferrari are not, to spice up the championship.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:44

If they had one long parabolica type of corner connecting turns 4 and 6 this would be a badass track.

Anyway, I hope the Mclaren is very fast here and the Rb and Ferrari are not, to spice up the championship.

A Mclaren 1-2 with Hamilton winning would definitely spice up this championship nicely.

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#33 Atreiu

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:45

A thought to sum my build up feelings: God I hope Lewis returns to his "relax I got this" mode and McLaren dont mess up before Vettel runs away with it.

#34 Richard T

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:48

Watching the 2011 race right now and the Webber/Hamilton fight for second place was awesome in the last stint! Hoping for an exciting race :)

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 23:04

If they had one long parabolica type of corner connecting turns 4 and 6 this would be a badass track.


Funnily enough there is an escape road which connects turns 4 and 6, so turn 5 is really optional. Ask Sutil (2010) or Vettel (2011 quali).



#36 Boxerevo

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 23:11

If Hamilton doesn't show up,Vettel will have it easily.

Only rain to save Alonso from Vettel.

Edited by Boxerevo, 08 October 2012 - 23:11.


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 23:12

You´re complaining about sector 1 calling it boring... well, yes, it´s boring to drive... but starts are awesome, there´ll be passes everywhere until turn 7. Pole won´t be worth anything.



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Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:09

Funnily enough there is an escape road which connects turns 4 and 6, so turn 5 is really optional. Ask Sutil (2010) or Vettel (2011 quali).


Yeah, even that would be better than the mickey mouse crap that they are using currently.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:50

To spice up the championship we need Vettel and Alonso crashing into each other and Kimi winning the this GP. :p

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#40 eronrules

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:44

To spice up the championship we need Vettel and Alonso crashing into each other and Kimi winning the this GP. :p


:up: :up: :up: :up:

i know i shouldn't be doing this but the hell ... yeah baby yeah

realistically, if kimi can beat Alonso, that'll be more than enough for me. all hinges on korea updates

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:10

I'd be interested to see the difference in the top speed of the Red Bull vs last year's RB7, and the gap to McLaren and Ferrari.

This is a perfect circuit for DDRS with 3 long straights, and 1 that is well over 1km long.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:14

:up: :up: :up: :up:

i know i shouldn't be doing this but the hell ... yeah baby yeah

realistically, if kimi can beat Alonso, that'll be more than enough for me. all hinges on korea updates


Desperation has set in in the House of Red.
Expect anything , even more crashes from Alonso trying too hard is not without possibility.

Heck - I wouldnt even count out a Macca style fallout between the team and the favored one.
Lets see.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:31

I stand by what I said before the first race, this circuit is just too squiggly. There's no real flow to it, just one long straight followed by endless back and forth turns. Not Tilke's finest hour.


That's my main problem with the track. All the straights are on one side and all the flowing corners are on the other. There's no straight to speak of after T4. I think it's partly down to the strange idea idea of having two pitlanes for the different layouts. I don't think there would be an easy fix though. Just dig it all up and build a new one.

#44 BRG

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:34

Just dig it all up and build a new one.

Yes, and put it somewhere sensible. Like France, for instance.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:39

RBR front row lockout at Ladbrokes available at 5-1

Free money - Put in a 20 already - thinking of more

#46 engel

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 14:02

That's my main problem with the track. All the straights are on one side and all the flowing corners are on the other. There's no straight to speak of after T4. I think it's partly down to the strange idea idea of having two pitlanes for the different layouts. I don't think there would be an easy fix though. Just dig it all up and build a new one.


no it's part of the strange idea to have a permanent track (the twisty bits) and a monaco type urban development which would become a temporary track for the GP weekend (the straights)

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 14:30

Hoping #1 suffers some spectacular failure or accident, preferably involving Grosjean, and allows Kimi to win, Koba second and Alonso third. Grosjean is sacked for 2013 and Kamui gets the ride.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 14:36

no it's part of the strange idea to have a permanent track (the twisty bits) and a monaco type urban development which would become a temporary track for the GP weekend (the straights)


Yes. Well I did say partly.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:30

Was waiting for this,lets talk about Korea,you think Lewis can get pole and a win this weekend.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:34

I expect a Hamilton win and a vettel dnf