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#101 superdelphinus

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:57

Vettel made two mistakes on his two first fastest laps (the best laps) but despite he scored best time.

McLaren did almost the same time as RB on FP1 then I´ve the feeling they are again the fastest.


You think mclaren is fastest based on them doing laps in an earlier session that were almost as fast as vettel's that had mistakes in it? Explain the logic plz!

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#102 robefc

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:03

Forgot to set you alarm rob?


Nah, I rarely watch practice now and certainly not at 3 in the morning!

#103 SamH123

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:09

You think mclaren is fastest based on them doing laps in an earlier session that were almost as fast as vettel's that had mistakes in it? Explain the logic plz!


Hamilton's best splits in FP1 were a 1'38''9xx on the softs while Vettel's best splits were a 1'38''7xx in fp2 on the supersofts
Surely the track was rubbered in and faster in fp2 as well?

Who knows what Hamilton was up to in fp2 though

#104 H2H

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:10


It is FP3. Still the RB8 looks arguably the strongest but the McLaren and Ferrari should be competitive. Lotus is hard to gauge while Sauber did well.

I'm a bit surprised to see McLaren at the bottom of the speed trap, however it fits with their performance in S2. Did anybody see their DRS open there?



#105 anti

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:14

Practice 1: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart
Practice 2: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart


#106 aditya-now

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:37

It is FP3. Still the RB8 looks arguably the strongest but the McLaren and Ferrari should be competitive. Lotus is hard to gauge while Sauber did well.



Looks like its going to be a tight race - Ferrari and Alonso will definitely up the anté in the race - question is how much more speed the Red Bulls have still in the pocket.

#107 Baddoer

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:20

Newey has definitely found something

Yes, good job on these rotating wings

#108 Baddoer

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:26

McLaren have awful top speed. 12 kph slower than Mercedes!

#109 ali.unal

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:11

Hamilton has been complaining understeer and set-up problems for second consecutive weekend. It's like Jenson's balance problem all over again.

#110 King Six

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:03

Engine change penalty for Charles Pic. When was the last time we had a GP where the race grid actually lined up where they qualified...

Edited by King Six, 12 October 2012 - 11:03.


#111 eronrules

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:39

Hamilton has been complaining understeer and set-up problems for second consecutive weekend. It's like Jenson's balance problem all over again.


don't worry, i'm sure tomorrow it will be the other way round :smoking:

#112 Kvothe

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:41

Hamilton has been complaining understeer and set-up problems for second consecutive weekend. It's like Jenson's balance problem all over again.


Well to be fair, McLaren know how good he is at handling oversteer, so they're not going to make that mistake.

Lewis had a rear damper failure last week, so it was less of a balance issue and more of a mechanical one.

#113 korzeniow

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 13:25

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#114 encircled

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 13:29

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#115 TomNokoe

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 14:00

Well to be fair, McLaren know how good he is at handling oversteer, so they're not going to make that mistake.



I thought exactly the same thing!

#116 Crossmax

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 18:31

Well to be fair, McLaren know how good he is at handling oversteer, so they're not going to make that mistake.

Lewis had a rear damper failure last week, so it was less of a balance issue and more of a mechanical one.

But an oversteering car will wear out the rears too quickly during the race, so it's a quali/race compromise.

#117 fabr68

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 18:40

Hamilton has been complaining understeer and set-up problems for second consecutive weekend. It's like Jenson's balance problem all over again.


I wonder if the flexiwing clampdown has hurt Mclaren

#118 race addicted

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 18:53

Whoa, this is going to be a looong thread! Personally I prefer threads devoted to free practice and qualifying, separated....

As for the pecking order, it looks very, very close, as I'm sure several have touched on already. In qualifying, perhaps Mercedes can beat Ferrari, although Ferrari will have no problems beating them in the race. Lotus I'm not sure about (will need to visit the Räikkönen- and the E20-thread.)
Hopefully Hamilton can get his car back to where he prefers it (and don't flat-spot his right front!), 'cause really being in the race, you need to qualify as high as possible, and for that, even if Button seems to be on form, Hamilton is McLaren's best bet.

Good, very good to see Webber looking able to challenge for the win here, judging by his and Red Bull's pace. Not sure if he'll be allowed to win though, if Vettel is second....

#119 LateApex

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 19:04

Have the McLarens found a bunch of rear downforce - understeering and low speed trap? I'm still trying to figure out why they're down on speed.

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#120 onewingedangel

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 19:16

I'm still trying to figure out why they're down on speed.


Likely gearing.

#121 TomNokoe

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 19:24

But an oversteering car will wear out the rears too quickly during the race, so it's a quali/race compromise.


it was a tongue in cheek comment (I think).
McLaren know Hamilton can deal with over steer so it won't sabotage him as much as if they gave him over steer.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 19:38

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#123 Alarcon

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:52

You think mclaren is fastest based on them doing laps in an earlier session that were almost as fast as vettel's that had mistakes in it? Explain the logic plz!



I have the feeling they are sandbagging. Hamilton had any clear lap and made mistakes too and they were faster on long runs.

#124 SamH123

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 23:37

I have the feeling they are sandbagging. Hamilton had any clear lap and made mistakes too and they were faster on long runs.


Sandbagging is the wrong word but there's a decent chance RB won't dominate

#125 Zava

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:19

great drift from Danny Ric! :smoking:

#126 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:27

Red Bull showing their soft tyre pace but Hamilton should be able to match it, McLaren not showing their hand yet.

#127 Obi Offiah

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:34

Red Bull showing their soft tyre pace but Hamilton should be able to match it, McLaren not showing their hand yet.

:clap: For the time being anyway. The RBR time was by Webber, so we know Seb will go a lot quicker.

#128 Mc_Silver

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:36

I really hope McLaren and Hamilton have found the sweet spot with set-up

#129 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:37

Hamilton 3 tenths faster than Webber even with a flatspotted right front. :drunk:


does anyone have McLaren vs Red Bull sector 3 times, id love to see them.

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#130 sock22

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:40

Hamilton 4 tenths faster than Webber even with a flatspotted right front. :drunk:


does anyone have McLaren vs Red Bull sector 3 times, id love to see them.

McLaren have closed the gap from yesterday. Hamilton, Button and Webber all on a 20.6, not sure about Vettel but he's either 20.6 or 20.7

EDIT - but now Vettel does a 20.4 ):

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#131 goldenboy

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:43

VETTEL KNOWS ALL... :lol:

#132 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:44

McLaren have closed the gap from yesterday. Hamilton, Button and Webber all on a 20.6, not sure about Vettel but he's either 20.6 or 20.7

EDIT - but now Vettel does a 20.4 ):


never mind vettel 38.2 he has this weekend in he bad!

#133 Obi Offiah

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:44

Red Bull doesn't give you wings, it gives you rails because that RBR car looks planted.

#134 Seanspeed

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:44

That Red Bull is on rails.

#135 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:46

Hopefully Hamilton's flat spot can explain the majority of his 2.5tenths difference

#136 Kelateboy

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:46

1:38.215 and 1:38.223 from Vettel on used softs.


#137 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:47

The Red Bull looks like 2011 again, fair play to them for massive improvements through the year!

#138 Kelateboy

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:50

Vettel is the fastest in S1. The DDRS really works.... (for now) :D

#139 Watkins74

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:50

Hopefully Hamilton's flat spot can explain the majority of his 2.5tenths difference

Hopefully for you maybe, I hope Vettel beats him by even more in Qualifying, and Webber, and Button, and Alonso. :p

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#140 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:52

Problem with Webber's car... again. :rolleyes:

anytime he's in a position to challenge Vettel...

#141 Seanspeed

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:52

Why does this feel like qualifying?

#142 SDLRob

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:56

What's up with Webbo?

#143 Zava

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:57

as long as Vettel is faster on softs (and Kimi on SS) than Alonso on SS, I'm a happy chap :)

#144 goldenboy

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:58

damn webber......

#145 SDLRob

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:59

Pole should be either Seb or Lewis IMHO

#146 Seanspeed

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:00

Sounds like we have damn traction control again. ):

#147 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:01

Oh Seb you beauty.

#148 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:01

Every time McLaren close up, Vettel just blitzes them again!

#149 Obi Offiah

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:01

RBR front row lockout.

#150 fatd

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:01

RB must have found its mojo again, mighty times Vettel :eek: :eek: