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#1 David1976

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 13:06

Interesting reading that Pirelli are introducing 2013 compounds that are less durable and have a wider range of operating window.

Sounds like a great idea with more pit stops adding an extra dimension with tyre compound choice. However... If we end up with a series of sprints between pit stops who could it favour?




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#2 King Six

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 13:35

I don't see why they need to make the tyres even less durable than they are, right now we're at two/three stops which is where it should be. A wider operating window is welcome but ultimately pointless in that case... the races will still be mostly about tyre preservation and trying to reduce the number of pit stops.

#3 Jimisgod

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 13:54

I don't see why they need to make the tyres even less durable than they are, right now we're at two/three stops which is where it should be. A wider operating window is welcome but ultimately pointless in that case... the races will still be mostly about tyre preservation and trying to reduce the number of pit stops.


Sounds like Button and Perez will dominate then.

Whatever happens, by Italy 2013, Newey will have solved it and Vettel will likely be 4 times champion like this year.

#4 HoldenRT

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 15:03

The bigger thing for me is that they are heavier in weight and will the changes will also affect the car's aero side.

Pirelli introduces a lottery effect each year.. I guess in a way it's very good.. because aero wise the regs are pretty stable at the moment.. but changing the tyres keeps the regs fresh.

It's not the optimum solution.. I wish there could be some sort of tyre war.. some sort of 'budgeted' tyre war.. with teams allowed to use whichever compounds they like each weekend (and NOT having to use both tyres) but this is the next best thing.

There always needs to be changes in F1 because the teams are too clever and otherwise things are too easy for them and things become stagnant and too predictable.

#5 DrProzac

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 18:04

Wider range of operating window is very much needed, but making them less durable is a ridiculous idea.

#6 Callisto

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 18:40

Where in the article does it say they will be less durable,PH said they will be "dynamically " different

Edited by Callisto, 18 October 2012 - 19:14.


#7 eronrules

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 18:47

Sounds like Button and Perez will dominate then.

Whatever happens, by Italy 2013, Newey will have solved it and Vettel will likely be 4 times champion like this year.


that's something we all agree :smoking:

P.S since when button and perez became tire jesus??? it's all down to suspension setup ... give button MGP W03 and we'll see how well he can dance :wave:

#8 Sakae

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 04:47

The bigger thing for me is that they are heavier in weight and will the changes will also affect the car's aero side.

Pirelli introduces a lottery effect each year.. I guess in a way it's very good.. because aero wise the regs are pretty stable at the moment.. but changing the tyres keeps the regs fresh.

It's not the optimum solution.. I wish there could be some sort of tyre war.. some sort of 'budgeted' tyre war.. with teams allowed to use whichever compounds they like each weekend (and NOT having to use both tyres) but this is the next best thing.

There always needs to be changes in F1 because the teams are too clever and otherwise things are too easy for them and things become stagnant and too predictable.

Team are getting involved to ensure avoidance of "shock/lottery effect", as noted on front page of the Autosport. Obviously not everyone is on board with work of Pirelli this year. Admittedly reasons behind this objection might differ, but overall I think it's good when tire gets more, lets say, predictable.

#9 BigCHrome

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 22:28

Tires need to be good enough so drivers aren't scared to push and to try and overtake.

#10 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 17:46

This must be a nightmare.

#11 SpaMaster

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 18:12

Interesting reading that Pirelli are introducing 2013 compounds that are less durable and have a wider range of operating window.

Sounds like a great idea with more pit stops adding an extra dimension with tyre compound choice. However... If we end up with a series of sprints between pit stops who could it favour?

If we have many series of sprints between pit stops, naturally some teams would have the opportunity to reduce the number of pit stops by that extra tendency to go longer. Sprint type racing would only happen when the drivers are forced to pit well before the tyre runs out of life - like in the refuelling era.

Tires need to be good enough so drivers aren't scared to push and to try and overtake.

No. Just ask Prost and Senna.

Edited by SpaMaster, 21 October 2012 - 18:15.


#12 Dalton007

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 19:05

Get rid of the ridiculous rule of starting on tyres you qualified on. Why should success be handicapped? Also, teams should not be forced to use both compounds.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 19:50

Get rid of the ridiculous rule of starting on tyres you qualified on. Why should success be handicapped? Also, teams should not be forced to use both compounds.


While I agree on quali only tyres I don't see the need to change compound usage rules. It forces more strategy posibilities, which is a good thing

#14 Mauseri

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 21:31

Hopefully its true. I think the tyres have been too durable in many races in case a sweet setup is found. I just wish the obligation to top 10 to start with quali tyres is dropped.

Edited by Mauseri, 21 October 2012 - 21:34.


#15 pingu666

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 22:30

While I agree on quali only tyres I don't see the need to change compound usage rules. It forces more strategy posibilities, which is a good thing


how many people do a q3 run on hards?, very rare.

on the plus side it gives more potential for 11th and back cos they get choice. but in terms of top 6-8 cars its destroyed choice.



#16 R Soul

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 22:44

I think they should be allowed complete choice of compound. They could use one compound for the whole race, or switch as they do now, and I also think they should be allowed to have one compound on the front and the other on the back.

#17 ViMaMo

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:48

Get rid of the ridiculous rule of starting on tyres you qualified on. Why should success be handicapped? Also, teams should not be forced to use both compounds.


I don't think it would help bring in better racing. So its fine as it is. And teams choosing their own compounds wont help too.

Edited by ViMaMo, 22 October 2012 - 01:54.


#18 BigCHrome

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 04:57

A lot of those rules are to cut costs for Pirelli. The point of being forced to use both compounds is to make sure that Pirelli doesn't have tons of unused tires left at the end of the weekend.

Though I do agree that they need to get rid of the Q3 starting tire rule. That was only added as a panic move because they thought in 2010 the races would be too boring.

#19 Dalton007

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 13:24

A lot of those rules are to cut costs for Pirelli. The point of being forced to use both compounds is to make sure that Pirelli doesn't have tons of unused tires left at the end of the weekend.

Though I do agree that they need to get rid of the Q3 starting tire rule. That was only added as a panic move because they thought in 2010 the races would be too boring.


Perhaps just bring one compound of tyre?

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#20 maverick69

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 14:19

Perhaps just bring one compound of tyre?


Yep. And bring back super-sticky qualy tyres too.

I used to love it when the big boys used to hammer it out onto the track with a set of "stickers" that would just about last the outlap and quick lap before they were down to the canvas :smoking:

It really does bring two totally different approaches to the game.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 15:10

Tires need to be good enough so drivers aren't scared to push and to try and overtake.


THIS.

F1 is about speed, not just tyres management.

#22 korzeniow

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 15:16

THIS.

F1 is about speed, not just tyres management.


What about speed and management?

8 engines per season, 1 gearbox for 5 races, limited CFD and windtunnel, limited testing etc

Sounds like management

#23 SpaMaster

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 15:54

THIS.

F1 is about speed, not just tyres management.

F1 is not about speed. It is about conjuring up a race win, the championship! F1 has never been all-out sprint.

Edited by SpaMaster, 22 October 2012 - 15:54.


#24 boldhakka

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:02

Thought I'd drop this link here: Pirelli says it will alter all tyre compounds for 2013 F1 season

"If anything, we will try and make it a little bit easier for the teams to have a wider working range but, having said that, we are probably going to go for some more aggressive compounds as well.

"As you've seen this year, we have averaged one pitstop less per year. If that trend carried on then we would be back to one pit stop at every race. So we need to do something to give it an extra challenge."


So yes, looks like they're gonna make the tyres less durable (more aggressive). Pretty bizarre goal if you ask me.

#25 bub

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:08

Tires need to be good enough so drivers aren't scared to push and to try and overtake.


Absolutely. I want to see aggressive racing and overtaking not just tire management and strategy.

#26 Massa

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:15

F1 is not about speed. It is about conjuring up a race win, the championship! F1 has never been all-out sprint.



I never said F1 was just about speed. But it's about speed and tyres management. These days, we see only tyres management, it's really boring.

IMHO, Suzuka 2000 was the best race i've ever seen. A straight battle between Schumacher and Hakkinen, Ferrari VS Mclaren, Byrne against Newey, with a lot of intensity, both guys were at full speed at each stints ( Barrichello and Coulthard was more than one minute behind their teammates ), it was fantastic. I would like to see this kind of race nowadays, with Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen chasing each others like that, pushing all the time. It would be fantastic.

Edited by Massa, 22 October 2012 - 16:17.


#27 BigCHrome

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:33

I never said F1 was just about speed. But it's about speed and tyres management. These days, we see only tyres management, it's really boring.

IMHO, Suzuka 2000 was the best race i've ever seen. A straight battle between Schumacher and Hakkinen, Ferrari VS Mclaren, Byrne against Newey, with a lot of intensity, both guys were at full speed at each stints ( Barrichello and Coulthard was more than one minute behind their teammates ), it was fantastic. I would like to see this kind of race nowadays, with Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen chasing each others like that, pushing all the time. It would be fantastic.


There are still races like that - for example Nurburgring 2011 and Canada 2012.

#28 pingu666

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 22:44

they where so managing their tyres in canada.

#29 Mauseri

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 22:53

they where so managing their tyres in canada.

Only because of how the race developed, it fooled some to wrong strategy. At some point Alonso and Hamilton were really pushing. In the end they also were really pushing agains what they had left in the tyres.

#30 BigCHrome

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:04

they where so managing their tyres in canada.


There is always some tire management. But all I'm saying is that those races were truly interesting with multiple drivers pushing as much as their package allowed them to.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:15

Tires need to be good enough so drivers aren't scared to push and to try and overtake.


So how would you avoid teams being able to complete a race with 0-1 stops? Because if your request got fulfilled, it would be a likely possibility, in my opinion.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:27

So how would you avoid teams being able to complete a race with 0-1 stops? Because if your request got fulfilled, it would be a likely possibility, in my opinion.

They would need to build a tire that is very consistent for x laps and then it loses all grip in a couple of laps.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:47

BUMP


Here is a race for you all, where the tyres had been consistent and reliable. Before the race, Hembrey was crying for more compounds, so the races could be more 'interesting'. I sincerely hope they draw the necessary conclusions from today's race, and do not fxxx up next season too.

#34 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:50

BUMP


Here is a race for you all, where the tyres had been consistent and reliable. Before the race, Hembrey was crying for more compounds, so the races could be more 'interesting'. I sincerely hope they draw the necessary conclusions from today's race, and do not fxxx up next season too.


:up:

Drivers and teams have to make the racing exciting, not a tyre company.

#35 Shiroo

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:09

but tyres need to a bit more fragile, 1 pit stop is a bit not enough. I'd be content with tactic that differes from 2 up to 3.

#36 BigWicks

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 23:12

If you want a variety of strategies you need to create a wide window. at the moment pirelli are shooting for a tiny window here, we only get a variety of strategies if 1/2 or 2/3 stops overlap. Happens very rarely.

Pirelli should bring four different compounds to each race, teams can use any combination they want. Then you will get different strategies.

Actually if you REALLY want a variety of strategies, you need more than one tyre manufacturer. But do what I've said above, four different compounds (super soft, soft, medium, hard), can use them however you want (so if you want to do a 0 stop race on the hardest set you can).

#37 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:46

Pirelli covering all eventualities?

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#38 showtime

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:39

So teams and Bernie asked Pirelli to have more of the first half of 2012 for 2013 season.

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#39 Sanman59

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:45

The tyres will be only 10% softer but of a more rigid construction and heavier, giving the cars better balance and grip.

Should be better for the teams and the show.

:love:

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#40 Zava

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:47

hard compound's silver changed to orange?

#41 jrg19

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:48

Yup, silver was the best colour too.

#42 loki0420

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:58

Yup, silver was the best colour too.

Orange is better, silver was too obscure.

#43 Gintonious

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:01

Not sure about the orange, I guess we will have to get used to it.

#44 Clatter

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:07

I really don't see the need for all the different colours. All I want to know is whether they are on the hard or the soft of the weekend options. Whether it is SS H etc. is irrelevant once the weekend starts.

#45 Owen

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:35

Orange rim tyres for 'hard'. A nice addition for the McLaren .

#46 PretentiousBread

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:41

The tyres will be only 10% softer but of a more rigid construction and heavier, giving the cars better balance and grip.

Should be better for the teams and the show.

:love:


F**k 'the show'.

#47 Owen

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:48

The tyres will be only 10% softer but of a more rigid construction and heavier, giving the cars better balance and grip.

Should be better for the teams and the show.

:love:

Half a second faster apparently. And more pit stops expected. :well:

#48 jrg19

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 13:15

Orange is better, silver was too obscure.


Which is what was good about it.

#49 Gintonious

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:12

Are these a different profile as well?

#50 Alx09

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:28

Not sure why people are discussing colors - could care less about them. The important part is how the tyres actually works on track.