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#51 KiloWatt

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:35

What I hate about the current approach is that Pirelli make the tyres softer every year. All that happens is that the team eventually just have to throttle the drivers back to make them last. So utlimately, they are having to just go slower to save the tyres.

Here's an idea:

Why not make tyres that loose heat very damn fast. So you have to go at full tilt just to keep the heat. Also make them durable enough to last 10 - 20 laps (even when going like mad). That way, if you go too slow and try to 'save tyres', you'll lose even more time than when you're pushing like mad.

And we'll see drivers driving as fast as they possibly can every lap, just to keep the heat in.

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#52 Andy35

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:49

I don't know why they don't have the primary colours for the dry tyres so red hardest to green softest. Then orange and white for the wets.

No problems then at all knowing what is what.

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#53 toxicfusion

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:13

They used orange in 2011 for the wet tyre didn't they?

#54 olliek88

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:43

Tires need to be good enough so drivers aren't scared to push and to try and overtake.


Yer, overtaking has become near impossible since Pirelli came into F1.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:55

http://www.jamesalle...stops-for-2013/

Easy warm up, better grip and stability mid corner, better grip out of corner.
All you have to do is drive nice and easy.
That's gonna be fascinating.


#56 Vesuvius

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 16:45

http://www.jamesalle...stops-for-2013/

Easy warm up, better grip and stability mid corner, better grip out of corner.
All you have to do is drive nice and easy.
That's gonna be fascinating.


Great news for Kimi and Jenson who are known to be gentle tobthe tyres and have had warm up issues.

#57 maverick69

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 17:25

Lol.

Different year..... Different compounds, construction etc..... Same old stuff from journos etc. "These tyres will play into the hands of smooth drivers like Button et al".

Well folks. I'd put a big shiny penny on it once again playing into the hands of the drivers, and teams (read chassis) who can adapt most..... As per usual......





#58 showtime

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 18:24

Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial
“@ClubFansAlon: @alo_oficial pirelli ha puesto más complicado el mundial o más igualitario???” Son prácticamente los mismos q en 2012.


Has Pirelli made it more difficult to win the championship or more leveled? Tyres are more or less the same as 2012.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 18:28

Great news for Kimi and Jenson who are known to be gentle tobthe tyres and have had warm up issues.


or even better for PER and maybe GRO.

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 23 January 2013 - 18:29.


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#60 Timstr11

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 20:18

http://www.jamesalle...stops-for-2013/

Easy warm up, better grip and stability mid corner, better grip out of corner.
All you have to do is drive nice and easy.
That's gonna be fascinating.

No mention of the narrow temperature working range of the 2012 tyres, which was the single biggest flaw of the 2012 Pirellis.
Has anything been said about that?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 20:19

Very happy with the switch to Orange from Silver. White and Silver were too similar, and should be quite cool to see what the orange tyres actually look like on the cars. Always a fan of injecting some colour into the sport. Good to have some after losing the bright Arrows and Jordan liveries

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 20:35

http://www.jamesalle...stops-for-2013/

Easy warm up, better grip and stability mid corner, better grip out of corner.
All you have to do is drive nice and easy.
That's gonna be fascinating.


I don't get all the complaining about the tyres (especially on the JA site). Yes, some level of conservation is required, but some guys will conserve tyres and be quicker than others going the same distance. It's still about extracting as much speed as possible from the life of the tyres.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 20:41

What about speed and management?

8 engines per season, 1 gearbox for 5 races, limited CFD and windtunnel, limited testing etc

Sounds like management


lol, I would like to get rid of all of that.

Let us stop with this pretense that F1 is green, F1 is economical.

F1 is the utter showcase of racing tech.

Regarding Pirelli: Are teams or the FIA STILL asking them to mix the field up?

They keep on saying that they were asked.... I am just not certain if they still need to be concerned with X amount of different winners in Y amount of races.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 20:51

Very happy with the switch to Orange from Silver. White and Silver were too similar, and should be quite cool to see what the orange tyres actually look like on the cars. Always a fan of injecting some colour into the sport. Good to have some after losing the bright Arrows and Jordan liveries

Sort of, only with the line between Pirelli and P Zero.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 21:09

I don't get all the complaining about the tyres (especially on the JA site). Yes, some level of conservation is required, but some guys will conserve tyres and be quicker than others going the same distance. It's still about extracting as much speed as possible from the life of the tyres.


Which these days means tootling around like this all afternoon with no alternative: (watch from 2:10) .

Martin Brundle has been Pirelli's biggest advocate, yet even he admitted that this had gone too far. To quote him:

In eight days we have had two great races largely driven by the degradation and resultant strategy dilemmas around the Pirelli tyres. In our show I expressed an opinion that whilst I'm really enjoying the races I wouldn't want F1 to become only about the tyres. I hadn't realised that Michael Schumacher was about to launch a broadside at the difficulty of managing the narrow window of performance and the high drop off of the tyre grip.

On the journey home I was talking with two F1 drivers, a world champion and a multiple race winner, and they had very similar concerns to Michael in that they can't push the cars anywhere near their limits. 'Physically my granny could drive the race' quipped one to underline how far away from the limits they are.

Pirelli have done a great job for F1 and judging by audience figures and comments the fans love this style of unpredictable racing. But it does become confusing when we have drivers popping up out of the blue with a fast but unrepeatable lap time in a session, and fancied runners simply disappearing backwards in the race. We need to see pure skill, speed and pace win through too, and not simply just applaud those who could tip toe the best or find the right set-up sweetspot on the day. There is room for both.


Brundle then revealed in a subsequent broadcast that those same two drivers he spoke to on the plane were singing the tyre's praises in public afterwards....

If the reality of it doesn't stink then why do drivers hide their feelings about them? What's there to hide?

Edited by PretentiousBread, 23 January 2013 - 21:12.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 21:32

Which these days means tootling around like this all afternoon with no alternative: (watch from 2:10) .

Martin Brundle has been Pirelli's biggest advocate, yet even he admitted that this had gone too far. To quote him:



Brundle then revealed in a subsequent broadcast that those same two drivers he spoke to on the plane were singing the tyre's praises in public afterwards....

If the reality of it doesn't stink then why do drivers hide their feelings about them? What's there to hide?


Badmouthing the tyres sounds like whining and excuse making, that's why.

Every race car in history is limited by the amount of grip of the four black things that actually touch the ground. Sure, Pirelli could make tyres that last forever, but the racing would suck even though they drivers could push as hard as possible the whole race. Everyone would be on the same strategy and same performance curve and no passing would occur after lap 2.

The fact that the race isn't physically taxing for drivers has much more to do with power steering and better physical fitness. Also, without refueling the cars are much heavier (and therefore relatively sluggish) than they used to be in the "sprint" era.





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Posted 23 January 2013 - 21:48

Badmouthing the tyres sounds like whining and excuse making, that's why.

Every race car in history is limited by the amount of grip of the four black things that actually touch the ground. Sure, Pirelli could make tyres that last forever, but the racing would suck even though they drivers could push as hard as possible the whole race. Everyone would be on the same strategy and same performance curve and no passing would occur after lap 2.

I think you are not comprehending the complaint. It isnt that the tyres lack grip, or that they wear easily.. Drivers can work with that, and the better driver can get the best from them. It is that there IS no best to get from them, no progressive curve, no conventional tyre performance characteristic. No chance to try to find and work that limit, the job becomes to drive just exactly as slow as you are told to drive. Any test driver could obtain a podium in a sauber this year by simply sitting at the defined speed and neither them or the team screwing anything up, because that team had the temperature under control. You push hard for one CORNER (god forbid, overtaking for instance) and the tyres can be destroyed because they went outside the 'temperature window'.

This season was very possibly the worst F1 season I have seen in 30+ years of watching every single race. Qualifying offered a few great moments, and there were a handful of times with rain etc where it came alive but overall it was a dismal season long test session with enforced randomness creating a fake show.


#68 tkulla

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 22:01

I think you are not comprehending the complaint. It isnt that the tyres lack grip, or that they wear easily.. Drivers can work with that, and the better driver can get the best from them. It is that there IS no best to get from them, no progressive curve, no conventional tyre performance characteristic. No chance to try to find and work that limit, the job becomes to drive just exactly as slow as you are told to drive. Any test driver could obtain a podium in a sauber this year by simply sitting at the defined speed and neither them or the team screwing anything up, because that team had the temperature under control. You push hard for one CORNER (god forbid, overtaking for instance) and the tyres can be destroyed because they went outside the 'temperature window'.

This season was very possibly the worst F1 season I have seen in 30+ years of watching every single race. Qualifying offered a few great moments, and there were a handful of times with rain etc where it came alive but overall it was a dismal season long test session with enforced randomness creating a fake show.


The problem with this argument is that it should have resulted in every car driving the same speed. If cars were only tyre limited and it was so easy for "any test driver" to drive as fast as a WDC, then we should have seen greater parity than we did.

But since some cars were clearly quicker than others, and some drivers quicker than their teammates, this clearly wasn't the case.

I've been watching for 24 years and found 2012 to be an excellent season. DRS is just enough of a help to encourage guys to pass but still results in side-by-side battles in corners. The Pirelli tyres actually NEED to be changed, making the pit stop rule less stupid, and guys end up on different strategies which makes the end of races exciting.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 22:57

Badmouthing the tyres sounds like whining and excuse making, that's why.

Every race car in history is limited by the amount of grip of the four black things that actually touch the ground. Sure, Pirelli could make tyres that last forever, but the racing would suck even though they drivers could push as hard as possible the whole race. Everyone would be on the same strategy and same performance curve and no passing would occur after lap 2.

The fact that the race isn't physically taxing for drivers has much more to do with power steering and better physical fitness. Also, without refueling the cars are much heavier (and therefore relatively sluggish) than they used to be in the "sprint" era.


Or maybe it's because they're under obligation not to bad mouth the tyre supplier, and Schumacher just didn't give a shit because he had nothing to lose unlike everyone else. Had to laugh when Pirelli test driver Jaime Alguersuari referred to 7X WDC Michael Schumacher's comments as 'unprofessional'. Clearly he rocked the boat.

There you've just effectively laid out a stall which says "I define good racing not by the actual contest but by how superficially and outwardly 'exciting' it is to the onlooker". Therefore we are destined to disagree completely no matter what the other says - I believe entertainment should be a byproduct of sport, not the other way round. Imagine you applied F1's 'show' logic to other sports, maybe in UFC they could ban fighters from spending more than 10 seconds on the ground, because that's just boring and nothing happens. Who cares if what they're doing is intricate, skillful and extremely physically demanding? We want more punches in the face!

Last point, about the physical element, why would they bring up that point now even though we've had power steering and better physical fitness for decades? Is it not bloody obvious they were referring to the tyres, given that it was in the context of a discussion about tyres? I remember Brundle remarking on how the guys who finished on the podium in Malaysia 2011 looked remarkably fresh compared to what he was expecting. Their physical conditioning didn't improve that much in 12 months :well:

#70 InSearchOfThe

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:42

In todays article Pembrey states that the new compounds aren't holding up. I haven't seen any testing this week so i don't know the condition of the track.

3 questions

First, How has Pirelli not done some homework over the winter to get these tires ready?

Also, Is it a colder winter in Spain this year?

Then, how bad is the track surface?



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Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:05

Track surface is extremely bad. See frontpage story.

they worked all last year to get new tyres ready, Im sure some rather intelligent people have been doing a little homework.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:29

Track surface is extremely bad. See frontpage story.

they worked all last year to get new tyres ready, Im sure some rather intelligent people have been doing little homework.



Really? It doesn't show just yet.

I'm getting tired of hearing Pirellis excuses. Maybe they should go back to having a tire war then. I like[ed] having one supplier. It makes it even for everyone, but if they can't cut the mustard maybe the FIA needs to start shopping around in Japan or France then.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:45

Really? It doesn't show just yet.

I'm getting tired of hearing Pirellis excuses. Maybe they should go back to having a tire war then. I like[ed] having one supplier. It makes it even for everyone, but if they can't cut the mustard maybe the FIA needs to start shopping around in Japan or France then.


Indeed. Pirelli's view would be easier to take if most of the drivers and teams actually agreed. Oh. Wait.
You are of course aware that they deliberately design the tire to degrade. Or perhaps they're just useless? After all, they are one of the worlds biggest tyre companies, and their WRC tyres were as equally useless.
Oh. Hang on....

Edited by ApexMouse, 07 February 2013 - 20:46.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:17

I think Pirelli as a company is fine, but something fishy about how tire spec for the F1 car are being developped and communicated with Hembery fellow. If you believe printed media, it sounds like there is always one or two mysterious persons from team side who ask him to develop "challenging" tire. No specs that we can see and read, no product validation is published, just one surprise after another, with claims that all teams have the same. Some people like it, but as it happend, I don't.

Edited by Sakae, 07 February 2013 - 21:19.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 13:12

I think you are not comprehending the complaint. It isnt that the tyres lack grip, or that they wear easily.. Drivers can work with that, and the better driver can get the best from them. It is that there IS no best to get from them, no progressive curve, no conventional tyre performance characteristic. No chance to try to find and work that limit, the job becomes to drive just exactly as slow as you are told to drive. Any test driver could obtain a podium in a sauber this year by simply sitting at the defined speed and neither them or the team screwing anything up, because that team had the temperature under control. You push hard for one CORNER (god forbid, overtaking for instance) and the tyres can be destroyed because they went outside the 'temperature window'.

This season was very possibly the worst F1 season I have seen in 30+ years of watching every single race. Qualifying offered a few great moments, and there were a handful of times with rain etc where it came alive but overall it was a dismal season long test session with enforced randomness creating a fake show.


:up:

Pretty much my thoughts on the Pirelli tires.

But since all the powers-that-be seem to care about is creating a spectacle, we're stuck with them. It'd be lovely to see another supplier come in though.

#76 pizzalover

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 13:58

I like the idea that racing cars get faster with each lap, not slower.

It seems more exciting for some reason.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 14:03

I think you are not comprehending the complaint. It isnt that the tyres lack grip, or that they wear easily.. Drivers can work with that, and the better driver can get the best from them. It is that there IS no best to get from them, no progressive curve, no conventional tyre performance characteristic. No chance to try to find and work that limit, the job becomes to drive just exactly as slow as you are told to drive. Any test driver could obtain a podium in a sauber this year by simply sitting at the defined speed and neither them or the team screwing anything up, because that team had the temperature under control. You push hard for one CORNER (god forbid, overtaking for instance) and the tyres can be destroyed because they went outside the 'temperature window'.

This season was very possibly the worst F1 season I have seen in 30+ years of watching every single race. Qualifying offered a few great moments, and there were a handful of times with rain etc where it came alive but overall it was a dismal season long test session with enforced randomness creating a fake show.

Pretty much as I see it.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 00:16

Me too. There are two other things that bother me:
1. The limit of the tyres is so much lower than the limits of the car and driver.

2. It's not the best Pirelli can do. Goodyear had their problems when Bridgestone came in, but it was the best they could do. Bridgestone had problems relative to Michelin, but again it was the best they could do. Pirelli are deliberately making a defective product. I don't know how they can advertise it. If a typical man on the street watches and F1 race, he'll hear a lot about drivers having tyre problems.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:15

there not defective, they are working as they are designed too, and weve had very few failures.

there just not very good tyres :\


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 15:25

Me too. There are two other things that bother me:
1. The limit of the tyres is so much lower than the limits of the car and driver.

2. It's not the best Pirelli can do. Goodyear had their problems when Bridgestone came in, but it was the best they could do. Bridgestone had problems relative to Michelin, but again it was the best they could do. Pirelli are deliberately making a defective product. I don't know how they can advertise it. If a typical man on the street watches and F1 race, he'll hear a lot about drivers having tyre problems.


And if they equate a racing tyre performance to a road tyre one then they are an idiot.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:41

lol, I would like to get rid of all of that.

Let us stop with this pretense that F1 is green, F1 is economical.

F1 is the utter showcase of racing tech.

Regarding Pirelli: Are teams or the FIA STILL asking them to mix the field up?

They keep on saying that they were asked.... I am just not certain if they still need to be concerned with X amount of different winners in Y amount of races.


Speaking at the launch of the McLaren MP4-28 Whitmarsh admitted his desire for challenging tyres stemmed from more than just a wish to see exciting races.

“We’re heading into our third year with Pirelli and they’ve contributed to some exciting dilemmas for teams in the first few years,” said Whitmarsh.

“But in truth they probably got a little bit conservative at the end of the year. We became a bit more comfortable, we understood the tyres a little bit more, one stop was possible.

“So I think it’s a good thing they’ve changed the construction and the compound. I think they’ll be a little bit less conservative with the compounds they allocate to each race. So I think that’ll be good and I think it will be good for the sport.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:46

I think Pirelli as a company is fine, but something fishy about how tire spec for the F1 car are being developped and communicated with Hembery fellow. If you believe printed media, it sounds like there is always one or two mysterious persons from team side who ask him to develop "challenging" tire. No specs that we can see and read, no product validation is published, just one surprise after another, with claims that all teams have the same. Some people like it, but as it happend, I don't.


It's a little weird how you keep repeating that over and over. During 2012 I gave you lots of the type of quotes by team staff that you require, and in my previous post there is yet another one. The problem is that you keep ignoring them. Or at least you keep dismissing them with your favorite requirement of published product validation or specs, with I told you before is ridiculous to demand specifically for the tyres in a sport that has unpublished stuff all the time, like technical directives or driving requirements hashed out during driver briefings. (Edit: I would like more transparency as well, and I hate the unpublished technical and sporting directives. But as long they exist, why would FIA publish specs for the tyres ...)

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 09 February 2013 - 21:50.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:39

The midfield teams - Sauber, Williams, Lotus, FI - must love the unpredictable tyres. It shakes up the standing order and gives them an opportunity for wins and podiums like early last year. In general the less-funded teams benefit from some uncertainty (rain, regulation changes, Pirelli).

Edited by boldhakka, 10 February 2013 - 03:40.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:12

The midfield teams - Sauber, Williams, Lotus, FI - must love the unpredictable tyres. It shakes up the standing order and gives them an opportunity for wins and podiums like early last year. In general the less-funded teams benefit from some uncertainty (rain, regulation changes, Pirelli).


Don't think they love it afterall they get the same tires, but it does leave a small window of opportunity providing everything falls into place. Such as building a car thats easy to set up or easy on the tires. Or hell even front runners getting taken out...

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:30

Don't think they love it afterall they get the same tires, but it does leave a small window of opportunity providing everything falls into place. Such as building a car thats easy to set up or easy on the tires. Or hell even front runners getting taken out...

if you know you suck any performance shuffle will benefit you. worst case you go from 10th to 20th. best case you go to 1st....
everybody -but the leader(s)- want a shuffle. free opportunities

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 00:45

I think the teams pretty much understand the tyres now no matter what Pirelli do.

I think it's more about the compounds and which ones are allocated for each weekend.. and how suitable those are. And that depends on high speed corners, traction zones, the surface etc etc.

I think we saw from the Bridgestone days that too durable is bad.. not durable enough is better. 2 or 3 stops is much better than 1. I don't think there is necessarily anything wrong with this.. and it won't be like the way it was in the first half of last season.. where it seemed like you needed to sprinkle magic dust on them before the race to get them to work. With midfield teams sometimes winning races.

This season will be more about not knowing which strategy to use.. and having to improvise more during the race.. as opposed to predictable boring one stoppers. Where it's 20 or 30 laps.. and then a pitstop and cruising home.

The exciting thing back in the refuelling days.. was 1 stoppers were good.. but that was ONLY because of the lighter fuelled 2 and 3 stop cars. So the lighter cars would have to overtake them on track two or three times a race to make the strategy work.. and while they had less stops, they were slower and heavier. The lighter cars still had half a chance. Fresher tyres and lighter fuel. And the one stopper could hope for a safety car at the right time. Kimi made a great one stopper in Bahrain 2006 to go from last to 3rd.. without SC's.

It's no fun, if they all 1 stop. Especially on tracks that don't allow much overtaking. That was true even in the refuelling days, although back then it was rare.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:35

I think this year is going to be a lot like 2011 - drivers not being allowed to push at all, everyone trying to save tires in qualifying, tons of marbles off line, basically a complete borefest.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:00

Pirelli have released their compound choice for the first few races.

Melbourne: Supersoft and Medium
Malaysia: Medium and Hard
China: Soft and Medium
Bahrain: Soft and Hard

Supersoft around Melbourne could make things interesting, first time they've run that sort of compound there.

#89 jrg19

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:44

4 stops at Melbourne?

#90 Alexis*27

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:27

2 steps between the tyres should make things interesting in those races!

#91 kosmos

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:31

Interesting choices, can they keep it like this all the year long?.

#92 peroa

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:12

This will be an absolute disaster.
http://www.auto-moto...ne-6659740.html

#93 Owen

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:16

I think this year is going to be a lot like 2011 - drivers not being allowed to push at all, everyone trying to save tires in qualifying, tons of marbles off line, basically a complete borefest.

It's shaping up to be a bit more extreme than that. Lock a wheel on braking and you are toast!

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:19

This will be an absolute disaster.
http://www.auto-moto...ne-6659740.html


http://www1.skysport...lona-unexpected
Indeed, Perez joked that if the situation didn't improve in time for the first race drivers would need to make "seven or ten stops" in Melbourne.


Would be fun to see them doing 7+ stops, especially when they only have 6 sets of tyres. :rolleyes:

#95 peroa

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:22

Would be fun to see them doing 7+ stops, especially when they only have 6 sets of tyres. :rolleyes:

It would help if you'd actually read the article instead of being captain obvious.

#96 Clatter

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:28

It would help if you'd actually read the article instead of being captain obvious.


I've read plenty of them. I'm just not playing the doom and gloom game. Heard it all before and the predictions always turn out to be rubbish.

#97 loki0420

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:56

Everything will be quite alright come Melbourne! Every year somebody predicts disaster which never materialiased.


#98 Masenco

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:57

I just re-watched the whole of the austin gp and noticed a very interesting comment from martin brundle.
He said that the race was very interesting and we were seeing alot of overtaking because the track wasn't rubbered in and lacked grip- this meant that people could not push straight away when they came out the pits.
The 2013 pirellis seem to cause the same effect, people cant push early in the stints as the tyres drop alot faster if you do a fast lap straight away.

Edited by Masenco, 20 February 2013 - 20:58.


#99 PretentiousBread

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 21:09

I just re-watched the whole of the austin gp and noticed a very interesting comment from martin brundle.
He said that the race was very interesting and we were seeing alot of overtaking because the track wasn't rubbered in and lacked grip- this meant that people could not push straight away when they came out the pits.
The 2013 pirellis seem to cause the same effect, people cant push early in the stints as the tyres drop alot faster if you do a fast lap straight away.


That was because of chronic issues in tyre warm up, once warmed up they were very durable and encouraged actual racing, as opposed to, you know, just driving around to a delta lap time which is what will happen again with these tyres.

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#100 Masenco

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 21:18

That was because of chronic issues in tyre warm up, once warmed up they were very durable and encouraged actual racing, as opposed to, you know, just driving around to a delta lap time which is what will happen again with these tyres.


I agree with you, but i do think that the heavy trade off between the pace of the initial laps and the tyre deg will make the pitstop periods even more interesting