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#101 Brandz07

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 23:21

I just hope Calado gets a seat. IF he wins GP2 this year and doesn't get a seat because of no backing, it'll be ridiculous.

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#102 BackmarkerUK

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 00:18

I just hope Calado gets a seat. IF he wins GP2 this year and doesn't get a seat because of no backing, it'll be ridiculous.


Sadly, I think his best hope is a deal whereby he becomes a team's reserve driver before he is able to step up to a race seat in 2015 - at Williams, for example.

#103 Tufty

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 13:10

Williams could well be Calado's best shot, and 2015 perhaps is accurate.

Actually Williams will be a very interesting team to watch over the next couple of years. Maldonado has calmed down somewhat, although he's still a solid qualifier/racer. Meanwhile Bottas is in the other car and has been talked up by Williams to the point where if Maldonado is comfortably beating him by the European races, Bottas will appear a disappointment. Of course, if Bottas DOES match expectations, the upper midfield or even the frontrunners may come knocking - especially if Perez disappoints at McLaren.

#104 lustigson

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 22:20

Gillette is rumoured to be in the frame for McLaren title sponsorship come 2014.

#105 Tufty

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 00:40

No more Movember efforts for JB then. Ron's preference for clean-shaven employees may well be repeated under Whitmarsh now.

#106 FPV GTHO

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:25

Apparently, all of Renault's teams have no deals in place for 2014 and beyond.


Red Bull are signed as the works Renault squad until 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/14855045

Additionally, Renault have stated that they would reduce their number of teams from the current 4 to 3 rather than upping it to 5 with another team. And with STR expected to join their mother team at the French manufacturer, 2 other teams would have to go. Caterham perhaps, which might run Ferraris, as well as Williams, which could then opt for Hondas (since I can't imagine them running prancing horse power)?


They would prefer to reduce customers. They are likely to be supplying 5 teams next year until Honda comes in for 2015.

#107 lustigson

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 22:26

Fixed the Red Bull-Renault deal.

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F2014Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Pat Fry
1. Fernando Alonso (contracted through '16)
2. Felipe Massa (current driver)

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB10Renault RS28 1.6 V6T (engine deal until '16)
Team Principal: Christian Horner Helmut Marko Sebastian Vettel; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
3. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
4. Mark Webber (current driver)
Daniel Ricciardo (possible)
Jean-Éric Vergne (possible)

Honeywell Lotus F1 Team (title sponsorship rumoured for '13, too)
Lotus E22Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: James Allison
5. Kimi Räikkönen (current driver)
6. Romain Grosjean (current driver)
Robert Kubica (confirmed to be in the frame, should he be fit to return)
Davide Valsecchi (confirmed to be in the frame)

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team (HWA might get involved in ownership through Toto Wolff)
Mercedes F1 W05Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
7. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond '13)
8. Lewis Hamilton (signed for '13-'15)

Telmex McLaren Mercedes (title sponsorship rumoured; Vodafone deal ends)
McLaren MP4-29Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T / Honda RA168-E 1.6 V6T (McLaren has options to renew Mercedes deal up to and including '15; Honda deal rumoured, possibly from '15)
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Tim Goss
9. Jenson Button (contracted through '13 with option for '14)
10. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C33Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T / Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn ; Chief Designer: Matt Morris
11. Nico Hülkenberg (current driver)
12. Esteban Gutiérrez (current driver)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM07Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T (multi-year deal)
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14. Adrian Sutil (current driver)
15. Paul Di Resta (current driver)

Williams F1 Team
Williams FW36Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16. Pastor Maldonado (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
17. Valtteri Bottas (current driver)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR9Renault RS28 1.6 V6T / Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: James Key
18. Daniel Ricciardo (current driver)
19. Jean-Éric Vergne (current driver)
António Félix da Costa (rumoured; perhaps already in '13)

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR03Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T / Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
20. Jules Bianchi (current driver)
21. Max Chilton (current driver; maybe with long-term deal)
Luiz Razia (dropped at the 11th hour for the '13 season; welcome to return, according to the team)

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT04Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Tony Fernandes ; Technical Director: Mark Smith
22. Charles Pic (confirmed; long-term deal)
23. Giedo van der Garde (current driver)

Edited by lustigson, 29 March 2013 - 08:15.


#108 lustigson

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:04

Eric Boullier said that, if Robert Kubica "is completely ready for a return to formula one, he definitely would be among the candidates" for Lotus.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:37

Force India extend deal to use Mercedes engines.

I wonder if this is a cause or a result of Force India not opting for Jules Bianchi. If at all, of course. :)

Edited by lustigson, 28 March 2013 - 10:38.


#110 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:50

Eric Boullier said that, if Robert Kubica "is completely ready for a return to formula one, he definitely would be among the candidates" for Lotus.


You should add Valsecchi as a possible candidate for Lotus, he is also mentioned in the article.

#111 lustigson

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:59

You should add Valsecchi as a possible candidate for Lotus, he is also mentioned in the article.

Oh, you're right.

#112 Wheels23

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:51

I'm gonna have a punt at this

Scuderia Ferrari: Alonso / Massa - No change, Massa exceed expectations and helps Alonso win his 3rd championship. Finishes 5th in the championship behind Alonso, Webber, Vettel and Hamilton

Red Bull Renault: Vettel / Raikkonen - Hulkenberg performs well for Sauber and RBR can't repair the relationship to Webber, Dietrich is very unhappy but figures that Hulkenberg can do a similar job in getting Red Bull Championships however Sauber snapped up Hulkenberg again, so they just get Raikkonen after talks break down with Lotus due to money

Mercedes: Hamilton / Rosberg - No change

Lotus: Webber / Grosjean - Lotus thought with a pairing with Kimi and Mark, they can win the championship. They signed Webber up mid-season however Kimi was asking for too much money in talks, so Lotus figured that Grosjean who did a great job in 2013 could help Lotus win races alongside Mark Webber who felt that he is still performing at a high level

McLaren: Button / Perez - No Change

Sauber: Hulkenberg / Gutierrez - Gutierrez grew so much during the season and Sauber wanted to keep Nico locked up for another season

Force India: Sutil / Vergne - Di Resta wasn't happy with the team, so decided to go a different racing series. Sutil performed very well for the team and Vergne was dumped from Toro Rosso after being criticized by Marko after he indirectly caused Vettel to lose the championship to Alonso and Webber (2nd), so Force India decided to pick him up because they knew that had a great driver in Jean-Eric Vergne

Toro Rosso: Ricciardo / da Costa - Dan performed well but was beaten by Jean-Eric, so he got the keep his spot. da Costa showed the team that he is ready for an F1 drive.

Williams: Maldonado / Bottas - No Change

Marussia: Bianchi / Razia - Their original choice Razia gets the gig. Bianchi did well enough and was happy going another round with Marussia. Chilton is dumped as one driver has to.

Caterham: Pic / van der Garde - Gotta go with potential I guess.

#113 David Lightman

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:09

Team list needs updating to show Vettel as Red Bull team principal :lol:

#114 lustigson

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:10

Team list needs updating to show Vettel as Red Bull team principal :lol:

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#115 Jackmancer

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 12:47

I'm going to be bold and say Bianchi will go straight to Ferrari.

#116 Sakae

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 12:54

I'm going to be bold and say Bianchi will go straight to Ferrari.

How is that decision substantively different from last year we witness about Perez@Ferrari?

#117 lustigson

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 13:30

How is that decision substantively different from last year we witness about Perez@Ferrari?

Well, this time it might work out. ;)

#118 TFLB

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 14:16

I'm going to be bold and say Bianchi will go straight to Ferrari.

It's a bit early to say that 2 races into his F1 career isn't it? Okay, he's performed well but is probably flattered by his teammate. Bianchi's been good but is quickly becoming massively overrated.

#119 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 18:53

Force India extend deal to use Mercedes engines.

I wonder if this is a cause or a result of Force India not opting for Jules Bianchi. If at all, of course. :)

With Toto part of the Mercedes setup and FIs engine deal extension, am I the only one who wonders if Bottas might end up at Force India next year so Mercedes can monitor him a bit closer?

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#120 rasul

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 18:59

It's a bit early to say that 2 races into his F1 career isn't it? Okay, he's performed well but is probably flattered by his teammate. Bianchi's been good but is quickly becoming massively overrated.


My thoughts exactly. He's very flattered by his slow teammate. I think we should first see him paired with a good teammate before making any judgements.

#121 Fastcake

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 20:19

My thoughts exactly. He's very flattered by his slow teammate. I think we should first see him paired with a good teammate before making any judgements.


I think we should wait for more than two races before making any judgements. He's been impressive so far, but slow teammate or not we haven't had nearly enough time to see how good he is. His reputation in GP2 wasn't exactly that good after all.

#122 Anderis

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 20:20

With Toto part of the Mercedes setup and FIs engine deal extension, am I the only one who wonders if Bottas might end up at Force India next year so Mercedes can monitor him a bit closer?

If they find a way to break his contract with Williams, then maybe. But I see no point of doing this.

#123 Jackmancer

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 21:04

I think we should wait for more than two races before making any judgements. He's been impressive so far, but slow teammate or not we haven't had nearly enough time to see how good he is. His reputation in GP2 wasn't exactly that good after all.


GP2 isn't always a good benchmark - Kobayashi finished 16th in both his seasons in Formula 1, but did so much better in F1. Of course 2 races is very early but it's silly season after all and I think there's a change he will take the seat instead of Hulkenberg if he does well.

#124 TFLB

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 21:21

GP2 isn't always a good benchmark - Kobayashi finished 16th in both his seasons in Formula 1, but did so much better in F1. Of course 2 races is very early but it's silly season after all and I think there's a change he will take the seat instead of Hulkenberg if he does well.

The difference between kobayashi and Bianchi in GP2 was I think that Kobayashi was regarded as just average while Bianchi was regarded as very fast but a liability in close racing. In the Marussia he hasn't really been involved in any close battles yet, so that side of him has not been put to the test in F1.

#125 DILLIGAF

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:03

I'm going to be bold and say Bianchi will go straight to Ferrari.


Pretty sure Ferrari are on record as saying they prefer experienced drivers. Bianci would be at long odds imo.

Hulkenberg will have 60+ GP's under his belt by the end of the season. He'd be my tip if they ditch Massa.

#126 William Hunt

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 13:27

...Bianchi was regarded as very fast but a liability in close racing.


I always disagreed that Bianchi was a liability in close racing. This is purely based on the crash he had in Monaco. In fact, in F3, GP2 or World Series Bianchi was always the best overtaker in the field, he could work his way up the field like no other driver. In F3 Euroseries he completely trashed the oposition, including Valtteri Bottas, with 9 wins: http://en.wikipedia....o_Series_season

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#127 Viryfan

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 13:49

I watched closely his crashs in 2010 and 2011.

And my conclusions:

Barcelona 2010: he was a victim of Perez / Vietoris tangle , pushed by Pic
Istanbul: Rookie mistake, brainfail on Pic
Hungary: he spun at the start on the astroturf (normal crash)
Spa: For his comeback , crash on the astroturf
Abu Dhabi: He closes the door on Chilton

Not big mistake, he was pretty consistant

2011:
Istanbul: GRosjean's fault
Barcelone: surprised by Van Der Garde start he closes the door too quickly
Monaco: Gearbox failed so he crashed into Van Der Garde
Valencia: Same as Barcelona


2012:
Nurburgring: spun off on damp track with slick tyres
Moscow: Went side by side too much with Sorensen, but not too big fault


So we cannot say that Bianchi is a liability in close racing.

But you have to take in account that Bianchi always beat his team mate during his racing career apart Nico Hulkenberg in 2008 , it was only second year for Bianchi in motor racing.

Edited by Viryfan, 30 March 2013 - 13:52.


#128 TFLB

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 18:34

I don't think the problem is that he had particularly many crashes, it was that he always looked as if one would happen. A bit like Maldonado. I remember in GP2 Asia in 2010 he came from way back several times to overtake cars, and didn't crash more due to the fact that they got out of the way than thanks to his skill.

#129 jals99

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 20:42

Massa will stay at Ferrari

#130 William Hunt

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 20:46

On Bianchi: a driver who overtakes and attacks so much as he does has always got a bigger chance of getting involved in an incident but the number of incicents he was in are certainly not above the average for a driver in GP2 or World Series. And can't remember him involved in crashes in F3 Euroseries.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:46

Dietrich Mateschitz said to speedweek that Kimi is a strong candidate for Red Bull 2014.

Edited by Vesuvius, 31 March 2013 - 09:49.


#132 seahawk

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:33

Webber is on the way out anyway.

#133 Kelateboy

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:48

Webber's contract would not be renewed for 2014; Massa's would.

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#136 ed24f1

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 16:52

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 20:07

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#138 DILLIGAF

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 23:53

Dietrich Mateschitz said to speedweek that Kimi is a strong candidate for Red Bull 2014.


Kimi & Seb. I'd love to see that pairing. :up:

Edited by DILLIGAF, 31 March 2013 - 23:54.


#139 skalet

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:52

Kimi & Seb. I'd love to see that pairing. :up:

I for one can't see Kimi at the highly political RB, or at Merc for the same reasons. I think he will see out his career at Lotus .


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:11

I for one can't see Kimi at the highly political RB, or at Merc for the same reasons. I think he will see out his career at Lotus .

Yesterday, Motorsport-Total (Link) said that the reason why Räikkönen might consider it would be the problems to get his salary paid at Lotus. According to them, Kimi even sent his crew an SMS a few months ago telling he would not go to a sit fitting appointment because of that.

Anyway, I know it's all rumours, but since this is the silly season thread...

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:56

And I'm sure Kimi wants to win a title at least one more time, and I don't see it happening at Lotus to be hounest. The only problem Raikkonen might encounter at Red Bull is Vettel. Even though they are friends, the team leaders there will favour Vettel in the end. Though I believe Kimi is better than Vettel overall.

Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 01 April 2013 - 09:56.


#142 Lotusseven

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:17

Dietrich Mateschitz said to speedweek that Kimi is a strong candidate for Red Bull 2014.


I doubt it, I don´t think Kimi is keen to have Simon Rennie as race engineer again. Or does he have to move around in teams to avoid KR ?

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 00:52

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:10

I doubt it, I don´t think Kimi is keen to have Simon Rennie as race engineer again. Or does he have to move around in teams to avoid KR ?


Kimi has no problems with Rennie,it's not why Rennie did go to Red Bull, Kimi himself said so couple ofndays a go and I'm sure Kimi would take Mark Slade with him anyway.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:21

Kimi has no problems with Rennie,it's not why Rennie did go to Red Bull, Kimi himself said so couple ofndays a go and I'm sure Kimi would take Mark Slade with him anyway.


aha...I thought Rennie did move to RBR because Kimi wanted to get rid of him. Anyway I don´t think Kimi will go to RBR when he has proved he can win in Lotus and feel comfortable with the team.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:36

Red Bull have a better chance of getting the new regs right than Lotus. They are also definitely in a much better financial position, capable of paying Kimi more money more reliably. If they want Kimi I'm dead certain he will go there.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:56

Red Bull have a better chance of getting the new regs right than Lotus. They are also definitely in a much better financial position, capable of paying Kimi more money more reliably. If they want Kimi I'm dead certain he will go there.

Except when nobody is actually shure who's in charge at Red Bull: Mateschitz, Marko, Horner... or Vettel. If the team's prodigy is so important to them that they can't be bothered to make sure Vettel adheres to team orders — after all, the team pay his salary — I would be hesitant to leave Lotus, where Räikkönen is the unofficial number one himself.

#148 Kelateboy

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:17

Except when nobody is actually shure who's in charge at Red Bull: Mateschitz, Marko, Horner... or Vettel. If the team's prodigy is so important to them that they can't be bothered to make sure Vettel adheres to team orders — after all, the team pay his salary — I would be hesitant to leave Lotus, where Räikkönen is the unofficial number one himself.

The financial situation at Lotus is quite fluid. No money no Raikkonen.

#149 lustigson

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:19

The financial situation at Lotus is quite fluid. No money no Raikkonen.

That's a good point, indeed.

Being (perceived) #2 at Red Bull is better than #1 at a team with no money.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 13:13

That's a good point, indeed.

Being (perceived) #2 at Red Bull is better than #1 at a team with no money.


Besides, I don't wish to open a gigantic can of worms here, but who knows whether he'll settle nicely as a subdued #2 or challenge/overcome Vettel. Webber isn't a true proper #2, he's been granted the chance to win and challenge a couple of times. Kimi knows if he gets Webber's place he will be given a fair go. And if Webber can trouble Vettel on occasion, Kimi will definitely think he can do better than Webber, therefore...

Right, I'm out of this thread before it turns into the predictable handbags fight.