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#151 sopa

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 20:27

Every year people keep saying Lotus has no money, yet they improve all the time and now we are discussing whether they can actually really challenge for the title.

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#152 DILLIGAF

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 01:15

Webber leaving F1? Kimi to RBR?

http://motoring.nine...lks-to-leave-f1

#153 ed24f1

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 01:25

Webber did say a few weeks ago that he'd be unlikely to race on after F1 but who knows.

http://www.speedcafe...yond-formula-1/

#154 lustigson

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 14:00

Toyota may return to F1 under Lexus banner, says Autoblog.com

#155 CrossF1

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 14:38

Toyota may return to F1 under Lexus banner, says Autoblog.com



http://www.clublexus...one-in-2014.php
Look at the date ;)

#156 lustigson

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:42

I was afraid this was going to happen. I double checked the date on the article but failed to check the date on its source.

Am I the only one who fell for this or did Autoblog fall for it as well? ;)

Edited by lustigson, 03 April 2013 - 15:44.


#157 V3TT3L

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 23:39

Webber's replacement :confused:

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Beitske Visser, Dutch, 18 y.o.

The first woman to enter Red Bull Junior Team.
Currently she drives for Lotus/Motopark Academy at Formula Masters ADAC, Germany.

Visser will join:
Tom Blomqvist (GB, Euro F3),
António Felix da Costa (POR, Renault World Series),
Daniil Kvyat (RUS, GP3),
Carlos Sainz Junior (SPA, GP3) and
Callan O'Keeffe (SFA, Fórmula Masters ADAC).

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#158 Jackmancer

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 15:48

First time I hear from her but for the Netherlands I hope she does well, as well as her being a female.

#159 Jejking

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 18:27

I'm Dutch and I didn't know about her til two days ago. Best of luck!

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#160 lustigson

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 10:29

Although GrandPrix.com aren't the most reliable of sources, at least not anymore, since they only seem to publish GMM articles, they do claim something interesting, quoting Radio Le Mans as their source:

Webber signs five-year Porsche deal?

Please note the question mark in the title.

Edited by lustigson, 02 May 2013 - 09:51.


#161 lustigson

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:52

Apparently, Marussia are likely to use Ferrari engines in 2014.

#162 Jimisgod

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 14:44

Bianchi to Sauber, with a look in at 2015 to replace Massa.

Gutierrez gets dumped. Finishing behind Pic? Really? He has been an embarrassment, back to GP2 you go!

#163 William Hunt

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 15:46

Gutierrez only had a couple of F1 races and he has a difficult car this year and one of the best drivers in F1 as his teammate. Give him some time to adapt, he will do fine in the 2nd half of the season. Besides: I don't see Sauber dumping him and losing all their Mexican sponsors.

#164 OvDrone

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 15:59

What about that sweet Telmex $$$?

#165 sopa

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 17:04

Gonna make a completely new prediction.

#1 Vettel, Red Bull
#2 Raikkonen, Red Bull
#3 Alonso, Ferrari
#4 Massa, Ferrari
#5 Grosjean, Lotus
#6 Hulkenberg, Lotus
#7 Hamilton, Mercedes
#8 Rosberg, Mercedes
#9 Button, McLaren
#10 Perez, McLaren
#11 di Resta, Force India
#12 Bianchi, Force India
#14 Frijns, Sauber
#15 Nasr, Sauber
#16 Ricciardo, STR
#17 da Costa, STR
#18 Maldonado, Williams
#19 Bottas, Williams
#20 Paydriver W, Marussia
#21 Paydriver Z, Marussia
#22 Paydriver Y, Caterham
#23 Paydriver X, Caterham

Sauber gets a new paydriver, coz Telmex moves to McLaren.
Vandoorne will be new Force India reserve with a view of promotion in 2015.

Edited by sopa, 03 May 2013 - 17:08.


#166 Jimisgod

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 17:45

Gutierrez only had a couple of F1 races and he has a difficult car this year and one of the best drivers in F1 as his teammate. Give him some time to adapt, he will do fine in the 2nd half of the season. Besides: I don't see Sauber dumping him and losing all their Mexican sponsors.


He's a paydriver who keeps on lowering expectations with every race. I mean a Caterham. Finishing behind Pic, with no car issues. I can only see him staying on if the team suffers budget issues.

Oh and the Mexican sponsors will probably leave for McLaren if Perez improves and Vodafone goes.

Bianchi has had exactly the same number of races and has proven to be competent and better in all 4.

Edited by Jimisgod, 03 May 2013 - 17:46.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 17:51

To stirr things up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/22395082

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 17:58

To stirr things up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/22395082


I really can't see Kubica coming back now. I doubt the top teams will want to take the risk, and many of them have possible drivers lined up for the future. And most of the rest would want money.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 18:04

He's a paydriver who keeps on lowering expectations with every race. I mean a Caterham. Finishing behind Pic, with no car issues. I can only see him staying on if the team suffers budget issues.

Hulkenberg was also beaten by Caterham in his 4th F1 race (and then Caterham was 2 seconds more from the frontrunners than they are now). Judging by lap times, Gutierrez seems to have some pace. He just needs clean races.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 19:12

I really can't see Kubica coming back now. I doubt the top teams will want to take the risk, and many of them have possible drivers lined up for the future. And most of the rest would want money.


I don't know where's the risk.

#171 Shiroo

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 19:21

I would take handicapped Kubica any day instead of Gutierez and few other pay drivers :]

#172 Fastcake

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 19:24

I don't know where's the risk.


He would of been out for three years by the end of this season, and more importantly may well be unable to properly drive an F1 car again. Even if he can drive, it's yet to be established whether he'll be near his former self.

#173 cravenciak

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 19:40

Seriously Fastcake, you think that possible team will hire him without track tests, medical tests and physical tests? There's no risk at all.

#174 Jimisgod

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 19:54

Hulkenberg was also beaten by Caterham in his 4th F1 race (and then Caterham was 2 seconds more from the frontrunners than they are now). Judging by lap times, Gutierrez seems to have some pace. He just needs clean races.


Nico was involved in a first lap accident not of his own doing, though. He was about 10- 15 seconds behind at the rear after lap one.

Edited by Jimisgod, 03 May 2013 - 19:57.


#175 Fastcake

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 19:58

Seriously Fastcake, you think that possible team will hire him without track tests, medical tests and physical tests? There's no risk at all.


Which is why I said we probably won't see him back. I have doubt he'll be good enough, and you're not going to see anyone give him more than a publicity run.

#176 AJFIN

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 20:16

Red Bull: Vettel-Raikkonen
McLaren: Button-Perez
Ferrari: Alonso-Massa
Lotus: Schumacher-Bianchi
Mercedes: Rosberg-Hamilton
Sauber: Hulkenberg-Gutierrez
Force India: Sutil-Nasr
Williams: Maldonado-Bottas
Toro Rosso: Vergne-da Costa
Caterham: Pic-Rossi
Marussia: Chilton-van der Garde

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#177 midgrid

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 20:46

He's a paydriver who keeps on lowering expectations with every race. I mean a Caterham. Finishing behind Pic, with no car issues. I can only see him staying on if the team suffers budget issues.


He did lose his front wing on the first lap (which was his own fault, but still).


#178 FastnLoud

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 21:10

I would take handicapped Kubica any day instead of Gutierez and few other pay drivers :]


Makes no sense at all

#179 Sakae

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 21:20

Red Bull: Vettel-Raikkonen
McLaren: Button-Perez
Ferrari: Alonso-Massa
Lotus: Schumacher-Bianchi
Mercedes: Rosberg-Hamilton
Sauber: Hulkenberg-Gutierrez
Force India: Sutil-Nasr
Williams: Maldonado-Bottas
Toro Rosso: Vergne-da Costa
Caterham: Pic-Rossi
Marussia: Chilton-van der Garde

:eek:

Has anyone talk to Michael yet? :wave:

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#180 Sakae

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 21:22

I would take handicapped Kubica any day instead of Gutierez and few other pay drivers :]

...ahead of Kamui? You guys must be in love...

#181 Shiroo

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 21:54

...ahead of Kamui? You guys must be in love...

I didn't mention Kamui. First of all Kamui should be on F1 grid and only because business connections he isnt, 2nd of all it was about Kubica and I didnt even think about Kamui there :p And when I meant Hanidcapped I meant it as possible to drive F1 car but not 100% fit.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:17

He would of been out for three years by the end of this season, and more importantly may well be unable to properly drive an F1 car again. Even if he can drive, it's yet to be established whether he'll be near his former self.

Agree with all of this. I don't think we'll be seeing him back. Hard to say anything about his arm - he's generally been quite coy about it - but if after two years he's still not capable of driving a single seater, as he told Autosport, I doubt he'll get there in another one or two. And that's just too much time out of it. Besides, he and his (former?) manager have been talking about a comeback since 2011, and two years on they still can't say for certain if it's possible.

It's nice that he's in a simulator again, but physically that hardly compares to making actual miles in a high downforce single seater. Competing in WRC and testing a DTM-car, while good steps, don't really compare either, to be honest. Those rally and touring car boys aren't exactly the athletes F1-drivers are. If he really thought he could make a comeback, I reckon he'd be driving around old F1, GP2 or Formula Renault machinery. It's costly sure, but he's got the money and it's the best way to indicate to teams he's serious about returning.

Speaking about his chances of landing a seat, I doubt any top tier team will take a chance with him, certainly not as long as they have qualified drivers under contract. Boullier saying Kubica's a candidate is just him answering a journalists question and (possibly) being nice, just like he said Valsecchi has a chance of getting a race seat (as if). Furthermore, I got the distinct impression the Lotus-team weren't happy at all with how Kubica not being forthcoming with information about his recovery during 2011.

Edited by SonJR, 04 May 2013 - 07:18.


#183 Sakae

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 20:19

Agree with all of this. I don't think we'll be seeing him back. Hard to say anything about his arm - he's generally been quite coy about it - but if after two years he's still not capable of driving a single seater, as he told Autosport, I doubt he'll get there in another one or two. And that's just too much time out of it. Besides, he and his (former?) manager have been talking about a comeback since 2011, and two years on they still can't say for certain if it's possible.

It's nice that he's in a simulator again, but physically that hardly compares to making actual miles in a high downforce single seater. Competing in WRC and testing a DTM-car, while good steps, don't really compare either, to be honest. Those rally and touring car boys aren't exactly the athletes F1-drivers are. If he really thought he could make a comeback, I reckon he'd be driving around old F1, GP2 or Formula Renault machinery. It's costly sure, but he's got the money and it's the best way to indicate to teams he's serious about returning.

Speaking about his chances of landing a seat, I doubt any top tier team will take a chance with him, certainly not as long as they have qualified drivers under contract. Boullier saying Kubica's a candidate is just him answering a journalists question and (possibly) being nice, just like he said Valsecchi has a chance of getting a race seat (as if). Furthermore, I got the distinct impression the Lotus-team weren't happy at all with how Kubica not being forthcoming with information about his recovery during 2011.

Speaking about "giving opportunity to test IF..." doesn't really ties anyone to anything serious, whereas being negative at this stage could start media storm which no one really needs or wants. In reality, and with all honesty, it doesn't look good. Not too long ago I read or heard him to admit that his hand still requires (I forgot exactly what it was) either specialized training, or another operation, as it was not sensitive enough. Either way, kudos he works on it, instead giving up, but he has a mountain to clime ahead of him. I retain my initial opinion, that his career for all practical purposes was over on the day he had that accident, and today to potentially accept some mercy drive with Marussia or alike, should be offered, I hope he would not take that. Either at least midfield, or nothing.

Edited by Sakae, 04 May 2013 - 22:55.


#184 apoka

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:32

Lauda confirms that Merc wants Vettel:

http://www.sport1.de...age_714966.html

(There are no details or dates in there, but it will probably be published somewhere soon.)


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:05

Lauda confirms that Merc wants Vettel:

http://www.sport1.de...age_714966.html

(There are no details or dates in there, but it will probably be published somewhere soon.)


I think it was before Merc signed Hamilton?

But if Vettel did make himself available than i'm sure Merc wouldn't pass on that but who would vacate a seat - Rosberg or Hamilton?

#186 EthanM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 13:18

I think it was before Merc signed Hamilton?

But if Vettel did make himself available than i'm sure Merc wouldn't pass on that but who would vacate a seat - Rosberg or Hamilton?


no that was from an interview done yesterday

#187 ed24f1

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 18:45

I guess it would be logical for Hulkenberg and Bianchi to line up at Sauber and have a shoot-out for a potential Ferrari 2015 drive I guess, should they keep Massa for one more year.

#188 Jimisgod

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:00

Yeah, tell me what a great success it was the last time two of the big guns were together. 2007 sure went exactly how McLaren wanted...

Merc has Lewis, they don't need Vettel babying up the team and ruining harmony. The only reason he can act like he does is that he usually beats Webber.

Edited by Jimisgod, 07 May 2013 - 05:02.


#189 lustigson

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 13:21

Changed Lotus' Technical Director.

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F2014Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Pat Fry
1. Fernando Alonso (contracted through '16)
2. Felipe Massa (current driver)

Infiniti Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB10Renault RS28 1.6 V6T (engine deal until '16)
Team Principal: Christian Horner ; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
3. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
4. Mark Webber (current driver)
Daniel Ricciardo (possible)
Jean-Éric Vergne (possible)

Honeywell Lotus F1 Team (title sponsorship rumoured for '13, too)
Lotus E22Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: Nick Chester
5. Kimi Räikkönen (current driver)
6. Romain Grosjean (current driver)
Robert Kubica (confirmed to be in the frame, should he be fit to return)
Davide Valsecchi (confirmed to be in the frame)

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team (HWA might get involved in ownership through Toto Wolff)
Mercedes F1 W05Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
7. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond '13)
8. Lewis Hamilton (signed for '13-'15)

Telmex McLaren Mercedes (title sponsorship rumoured; Vodafone deal ends)
McLaren MP4-29Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T / Honda RA168-E 1.6 V6T (McLaren has options to renew Mercedes deal up to and including '15; Honda deal rumoured, possibly from '15)
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Tim Goss
9. Jenson Button (contracted through '13 with option for '14)
10. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C33Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T / Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn ; Chief Designer: Matt Morris
11. Nico Hülkenberg (current driver)
12. Esteban Gutiérrez (current driver)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM07Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T (multi-year deal)
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14. Adrian Sutil (current driver)
15. Paul Di Resta (current driver)

Williams F1 Team
Williams FW36Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16. Pastor Maldonado (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
17. Valtteri Bottas (on a long-term deal through '14)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR9Renault RS28 1.6 V6T / Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: James Key
18. Daniel Ricciardo (current driver)
19. Jean-Éric Vergne (current driver)
António Félix da Costa (rumoured; perhaps already in '13)

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR03Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T / Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
20. Jules Bianchi (current driver)
21. Max Chilton (current driver; maybe with long-term deal)
Luiz Razia (dropped at the 11th hour for the '13 season; welcome to return, according to the team)

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT04Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Cyril Abiteboul ; Technical Director: Mark Smith
22. Charles Pic (confirmed; long-term deal)
23. Giedo van der Garde (current driver)

Edited by lustigson, 16 May 2013 - 14:24.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 13:33

Changed Lotus' Technical Director.

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F2014Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali Fernando Alonso; Technical Director: Pat Fry
1. Fernando Alonso (contracted through '16)
2. Felipe Massa (current driver)

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB10Renault RS28 1.6 V6T (engine deal until '16)
Team Principal: Christian Horner Helmut Marko Sebastian Vettel; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
3. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
4. Mark Webber (current driver)
Daniel Ricciardo (possible)
Jean-Éric Vergne (possible)

Honeywell Lotus F1 Team (title sponsorship rumoured for '13, too)
Lotus E22Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: Nick Chester
5. Kimi Räikkönen (current driver)
6. Romain Grosjean (current driver)
Robert Kubica (confirmed to be in the frame, should he be fit to return)
Davide Valsecchi (confirmed to be in the frame)

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team (HWA might get involved in ownership through Toto Wolff)
Mercedes F1 W05Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
7. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond '13)
8. Lewis Hamilton (signed for '13-'15)

Telmex McLaren Mercedes (title sponsorship rumoured; Vodafone deal ends)
McLaren MP4-29Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T / Honda RA168-E 1.6 V6T (McLaren has options to renew Mercedes deal up to and including '15; Honda deal rumoured, possibly from '15)
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Tim Goss
9. Jenson Button (contracted through '13 with option for '14)
10. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C33Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T / Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn ; Chief Designer: Matt Morris
11. Nico Hülkenberg (current driver)
12. Esteban Gutiérrez (current driver)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM07Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T (multi-year deal)
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14. Adrian Sutil (current driver)
15. Paul Di Resta (current driver)

Williams F1 Team
Williams FW36Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16. Pastor Maldonado (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
17. Valtteri Bottas (current driver)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR9Renault RS28 1.6 V6T / Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: James Key
18. Daniel Ricciardo (current driver)
19. Jean-Éric Vergne (current driver)
António Félix da Costa (rumoured; perhaps already in '13)

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR03Ferrari 057 1.6 V6T / Mercedes FO106A 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
20. Jules Bianchi (current driver)
21. Max Chilton (current driver; maybe with long-term deal)
Luiz Razia (dropped at the 11th hour for the '13 season; welcome to return, according to the team)

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT04Renault RS28 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Tony Fernandes ; Technical Director: Mark Smith
22. Charles Pic (confirmed; long-term deal)
23. Giedo van der Garde (current driver)


Fixed it.

#191 lustigson

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 13:51

Fixed it.

Fixed what?

#192 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 14:15

Fixed what?


Correct team principal in one of the manufacturer teams.

#193 lustigson

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 14:31

Correct team principal in one of the manufacturer teams.

Ha ha! I didn't see that. :D

#194 Lotusseven

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 20:35

f1i.com is reporting that Domenicali want Jules Bianchi in Ferrari when Massa quits.

" Jules is a really good driver , Domenicali told in "The F1 Specialists" on Canal + Sport. I'm really glad he is part of the Ferrari Driver Academy because it actually has all the capabilities to become a very good Formula 1 driver. "

" I hope that when Felipe completes the chapter in his career with Ferrari, Jules is ready to become a Ferrari driver. "


f1i.com


So what do you think guys ? Vettel - Bianchi in Ferrari 2014 - 2015 ?

Edited by Lotusseven, 16 May 2013 - 20:37.


#195 andysaint

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 20:52

Red Bull: Raikkonen, Ricciardo
Ferrari: Alonso, Massa
Renault: Vettel, Grosjean
Merc: Rosberg, Hamilton
Force India: Di Resta, Bianchi
Sauber: Hulkenberg, Gueteriez
Williams: Maldinado, Bottas
McLaren: Button, Perez
Torro Rosa: Da Costa, an other
Marrussia & Caterham: Which ever pay drivers round

#196 noikeee

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 21:07

f1i.com is reporting that Domenicali want Jules Bianchi in Ferrari when Massa quits.



f1i.com


So what do you think guys ? Vettel - Bianchi in Ferrari 2014 - 2015 ?


On current form Massa is the perfect #2 - he even qualified 0.001 behind Alonso in Spain, that's ideal. :D I think it's more of a general incentive to Bianchi than any actual intention to put him in the seat for next year. 2015, maybe, big if. Driver performance in '14 will fluctuate a bit given the turbos, it may be that Massa remains at this level, maybe he drops back again.

#197 lustigson

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 21:12

f1i.com is reporting that Domenicali want Jules Bianchi in Ferrari when Massa quits.



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So what do you think guys ? Vettel - Bianchi in Ferrari 2014 - 2015 ?


No.
Only a few posts above, it says that Alonso is contracted until 2016.
So, no.

#198 George Costanza

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:18

Red Bull: Vettel-Raikkonen
McLaren: Button-Perez
Ferrari: Alonso-Massa
Lotus: Schumacher-Bianchi
Mercedes: Rosberg-Hamilton
Sauber: Hulkenberg-Gutierrez
Force India: Sutil-Nasr
Williams: Maldonado-Bottas
Toro Rosso: Vergne-da Costa
Caterham: Pic-Rossi
Marussia: Chilton-van der Garde

:eek:


Michael to his old team, Benetton (Lotus).... lol....

#199 charly0418

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:07

I think Felipe Nasr is pretty much a lock to be in F1 next year.

Question is where

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#200 HistoryFan

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:00

Renault: Vettel, Grosjean


Why Vettel to Lotus?