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#1 karlth

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:20

Since 1992 or for 20 years of Formula 1, with 40 teams competing and over 100 drivers racing each other:

In over 360 races a car designed or developed by Adrian Newey has been on pole in 45% of them.

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#2 Disgrace

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:23

How many of those poles have not been converted into wins due to technical failures while leading? I'm sure a large percentage would also materialise.

#3 sawyer_si

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:24

I would like to see this statistic for Byrne designed cars too (obviously not counting years since his retirement). Maybe wins as well.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:25

I would like to see this statistic for Byrne designed cars too (obviously not counting years since his retirement). Maybe wins as well.



Just look up Schumacher´s statistics and add 10% or so.  ;)

#5 karlth

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:27

How many of those poles have not been converted into wins due to technical failures while leading? I'm sure a large percentage would also materialise.


True but he seems to have no equal when designing cars for absolute pace.


#6 Atreiu

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:29

I was expecting something gobsmacking...

#7 karlth

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:32

I would like to see this statistic for Byrne designed cars too (obviously not counting years since his retirement). Maybe wins as well.


Rory Byrne's success at Ferrari was offset by his midfield years at Toleman/early Benetton. H

Newey on the other hand had success at Williams, McLaren and Red Bull, all with different technical teams and drivers.




#8 karlth

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:33

I was expecting something gobsmacking...


Well it is, by far, the most dominant statistic in F1 over the last 20 years.


#9 jjcale

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:33

Why is he not yet "Sir Adrian"?

#10 sawyer_si

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:35

Newey also didn't start designing cars in 1992, but whatever suits your agenda.

#11 DarthWillie

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:35

my my, are we desperate to show only Newey is beating TDG and Nando.
Maybe we should also look at the quality of the drivers taking those poles, now that is interesting Great names like Mansell, Prost, Senna, Hakkinen and Vettel. Looks like Newey cars attract the best drivers around.

#12 sailor

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:39

Impressive stats indeed but he is flattered by having some of the fastest qualifiers driving his cars over the years.

#13 Atreiu

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:39

Well it is, by far, the most dominant statistic in F1 over the last 20 years.



The RB7 came close, but his cars haven't had a 2002 season yet.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:41

True but he seems to have no equal when designing cars for absolute pace.


That´s not really big news, is it?

#15 ayali

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:49

When asked about this "astounding statistic" Newey answered:

"It's not so much the cars I design but the way some amazing racing drivers have managed to really extract the maximum out of the machinery I've designed. The last few years a certain Sebastian Vettel has flattered my designs and I hope that for many years to come me and this exceptional young man will keep breaking record after record and rack up pole after pole, much to the frustration of some" ;)


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#16 bauss

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:52

This guy is a cheat code when it comes to F1 cars.

#17 george1981

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:52

The RB7 came close, but his cars haven't had a 2002 season yet.


In fairness I would say the driver's have let him down not the cars, Mark Webber had a poor 2011. In 1996 his car's did very well winning 75% of the races, only Michael Schumacher and Olivier Panis were able to win in non-Newey cars that year, and Newey didn't see the season out to continue development of the car.

#18 LiJu914

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:59

The RB7 came close, but his cars haven't had a 2002 season yet.


In terms of speed+reliability...maybe not

But, just in terms of pace he´s produced more than one car, which was even better than the F2002 compared to its competitors.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:00

Hey how about Schumacher winning 89 out of 210 between Brazil 1994 and China 2006 then? One driver.

80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.

47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.

Edited by jeze, 27 October 2012 - 17:06.


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#20 03011969

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:01

Since 1992 or for 20 years of Formula 1, with 40 teams competing and over 100 drivers racing each other:

In over 360 races a car designed or developed by Adrian Newey has been on pole in 45% of them.

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Percentage of race wins would be more relevant, given there's prizes for wins and, erm, none for pole.

#21 BullHead

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:09

Hey how about Schumacher winning 89 out of 210 between Brazil 1994 and China 2006 then? One driver.

80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.

47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.


Well yeah, when talking about 'astounding' statistics, MSC has 'em all really.

#22 Longtimefan

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:22

Without a doubt Adrian is a legend and one of the best ever.

He's produced some stunning cars and he's not beyond skirting the rules to get what he wants.

Sadly he also designed the car that killed Ayrton.

#23 SCUDmissile

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:29

I find it a more interesting stat that whenever a Briton wins the WDC, a democrat is elected into office since 1964 i think.
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But seriously, Newey is like Messi. Spearhead of a fantastic team effort.

Edited by SCUDmissile, 27 October 2012 - 17:30.


#24 SpaMaster

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:54

Being on pole is useless if you don't have wins to back them up. So, no, I don't think pole statistics are that astounding.

#25 sopa

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:54

Nah, Newey is average, he has just been flattered by the excellent drivers, who have sat in his cars. :p (using the standard Vettel-rhetoric)

Edited by sopa, 27 October 2012 - 17:55.


#26 karlth

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 18:45

Percentage of race wins would be more relevant, given there's prizes for wins and, erm, none for pole.


Relevant to what? Pace?


#27 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:11

In the last 6 years Schumacher has had just one podium...yet still has over 155 out of 304.races.

Over 51%....

Man he kicked so much ass back in the day.

#28 garoidb

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:14

I find it a more interesting stat that whenever a Briton wins the WDC, a democrat is elected into office since 1964 i think.
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But seriously, Newey is like Messi. Spearhead of a fantastic team effort.


Well, Nixon was elected in 1968 when G Hill won the WDC, so there are exceptions!

Still, Lewis should do his best to prevent Mitt from being elected!

#29 BetaVersion

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:19

True but he seems to have no equal when designing cars for absolute pace.

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And that's one of the main reasons why Schumacher's pole rate isn't as good as his win rate

#30 Baddoer

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:38

Thats how he does it:

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#31 Hollow

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:13

That's all very nice but he's still bald.

#32 ClubmanGT

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:18

That's all very nice but he's still bald.


Even his genes show a propensity towards aerodynamics.

#33 g1n

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:29

Why is he not yet "Sir Adrian"?



well he has an OBE already at least :clap:

#34 g1n

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:31

Since 1992 or for 20 years of Formula 1, with 40 teams competing and over 100 drivers racing each other:



- 1990 – Joined Williams as Chief Designer, overseeing the FW14 and the other Williams-Renaults which were the dominant force in the ‘90s, won 58 grands prix, four Drivers’ and five Constructors’ titles -

http://www.redbull.c...001242969794203

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#35 Kvothe

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:37

Even his genes show a propensity towards aerodynamics.

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#36 jiber172r

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:50

something all of you have mentioned to fail that gives Adrian an advantage is that he himself is a racecar driver, so he also sees his job from the perspective of the driver, and not just as a designer. Most other chief designers are simply aerodynamicists or engineers.

From his wikipedia page:

"Adrian Newey is an avid sports car collector and driver, having participated in the Le Mans Legend races for a few years. He competed in a Ford GT40 in 2006, only to destroy the car in an accident yet escaped with only a cut finger. He later wrecked a Jaguar E-Type at the Goodwood Revival Meeting.

In 2007, he made the move to modern racing, becoming part of the driver line-up in the AF Corse Ferrari F430 for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Newey and co-drivers Ben Aucott and Joe Macari managed to finish 22nd outright, and fourth in class.

To celebrate his Red Bull Racing team's 1-2s in China and Great Britain, Adrian Newey scarified the lawn of Team Principal, Christian Horner by 'donutting' in a Ferrari California.[4]"


#37 P123

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:52

I wonder what the stats are for Newey drivers? From a quick browse Hakkinen and Hill drove 65 races in Newey cars, taking pole 25 and 20 times and winning 19 and 21 times respectivley.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:58

Hey how about Schumacher winning 89 out of 210 between Brazil 1994 and China 2006 then? One driver.

80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.

47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.

So basicly Byrne has a score of almost 50% wins from 1994-2006? Barichello had 11 wins and Irvine 4 plus 3 non-MSC wins in 1994-1997. Add all that up and you get 97/210

I think that is way more impressive, personally. Yet people still talk about Newey as best ever and without competition...

#39 BigCHrome

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:02

Newey is truly astounding. His cars are clearly a lot better than the rest.

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#40 BernieEc

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:02

So basicly Byrne has a score of almost 50% wins from 1994-2006? Barichello had 11 wins and Irvine 4 plus 3 non-MSC wins in 1994-1997. Add all that up and you get 97/210

I think that is way more impressive, personally. Yet people still talk about Newey as best ever and without competition...



I think Adrian's was from the early 90s - today ....thats almost a 23 year period.......not the 12 year period you alllude to in your post.......Byrne's is impressive but Adrian's spans a longer period and is way more impressive....

#41 Atreiu

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:12

So basicly Byrne has a score of almost 50% wins from 1994-2006? Barichello had 11 wins and Irvine 4 plus 3 non-MSC wins in 1994-1997. Add all that up and you get 97/210

I think that is way more impressive, personally. Yet people still talk about Newey as best ever and without competition...


Barrichello had nine wins, the other two were from Brawn. OTOH, Massa had 2 in 2006.

#42 karlth

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:17

I think Adrian's was from the early 90s - today ....thats almost a 23 year period.......not the 12 year period you alllude to in your post.......Byrne's is impressive but Adrian's spans a longer period and is way more impressive....


Additionally Newey manage to dominate in three different eras, with three different teams, three different technical teams and five different star drivers (Mansell, Prost, Hill, Hakkinen and Vettel).

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:46

He is clearly a genius, but he doesn't design the car alone. It's kinda weird, when something on the Red Bull appears it's "Newey's invention". I don't see that at other teams. There are others around him and in these 3 different teams, he always got a lot of ressources to use. And he had a lot of cars that flat out failed (remember the mp4-18) or just didn't have enough reliability. Also the quali-system changed so many times, that it's not easy to say, that the car on pole was really the fastest.
As I said, he's clearly one of the best in the paddock, that's why every team wants him so bad. But i think it's kind of a stretch to give him this "Mesiah"-status and go on to say, that he can make every team fast.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:57

Hey how about Schumacher winning 89 out of 210 between Brazil 1994 and China 2006 then? One driver.

80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.

47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.


80 in 168 is incredible.


#45 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 22:28

Certain rules have favoured Newey. The 2009- era being particularly kind to him and his pen.

The 2001-2008 was not very rewarding in terms of accolades and titles though.



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Posted 27 October 2012 - 22:42

In the last 6 years Schumacher has had just one podium...yet still has over 155 out of 304.races.

Over 51%....

Man he kicked so much ass back in the day.

That's crazy

#47 Dolph

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 22:56

How many of those poles have not been converted into wins due to technical failures while leading? I'm sure a large percentage would also materialise.


I'm sure it wouldn't

#48 karlth

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 23:08

80 in 168 is incredible.


To a total winning percentage of 29%.

Is it as impressive as Prost's who managed a 25% race win percentage against real teammates: Senna, Mansell, Lauda, Watson, Hill, Watson and Rosberg.



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Posted 27 October 2012 - 23:20

I find it a more interesting stat that whenever a Briton wins the WDC, a democrat is elected into office since 1964 i think.
:p

That should be enough to turn even as65p into a Hamilton supporter...

Edited by Slartibartfast, 27 October 2012 - 23:28.


#50 klyster

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 23:23

Even his genes show a propensity towards aerodynamics.


Hahaha :-)