The most astounding statistic in F1
#1
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:20
In over 360 races a car designed or developed by Adrian Newey has been on pole in 45% of them.
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#2
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:23
#3
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:24
#4
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:25
I would like to see this statistic for Byrne designed cars too (obviously not counting years since his retirement). Maybe wins as well.
Just look up Schumacher´s statistics and add 10% or so.
#5
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:27
How many of those poles have not been converted into wins due to technical failures while leading? I'm sure a large percentage would also materialise.
True but he seems to have no equal when designing cars for absolute pace.
#6
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:29
#7
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:32
I would like to see this statistic for Byrne designed cars too (obviously not counting years since his retirement). Maybe wins as well.
Rory Byrne's success at Ferrari was offset by his midfield years at Toleman/early Benetton. H
Newey on the other hand had success at Williams, McLaren and Red Bull, all with different technical teams and drivers.
#8
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:33
I was expecting something gobsmacking...
Well it is, by far, the most dominant statistic in F1 over the last 20 years.
#9
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:33
#10
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:35
#11
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:35
Maybe we should also look at the quality of the drivers taking those poles, now that is interesting Great names like Mansell, Prost, Senna, Hakkinen and Vettel. Looks like Newey cars attract the best drivers around.
#12
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:39
#13
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:39
Well it is, by far, the most dominant statistic in F1 over the last 20 years.
The RB7 came close, but his cars haven't had a 2002 season yet.
#14
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:41
True but he seems to have no equal when designing cars for absolute pace.
That´s not really big news, is it?
#15
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:49
"It's not so much the cars I design but the way some amazing racing drivers have managed to really extract the maximum out of the machinery I've designed. The last few years a certain Sebastian Vettel has flattered my designs and I hope that for many years to come me and this exceptional young man will keep breaking record after record and rack up pole after pole, much to the frustration of some"
#16
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:52
#17
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:52
The RB7 came close, but his cars haven't had a 2002 season yet.
In fairness I would say the driver's have let him down not the cars, Mark Webber had a poor 2011. In 1996 his car's did very well winning 75% of the races, only Michael Schumacher and Olivier Panis were able to win in non-Newey cars that year, and Newey didn't see the season out to continue development of the car.
#18
Posted 27 October 2012 - 16:59
The RB7 came close, but his cars haven't had a 2002 season yet.
In terms of speed+reliability...maybe not
But, just in terms of pace he´s produced more than one car, which was even better than the F2002 compared to its competitors.
#19
Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:00
80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.
47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.
Edited by jeze, 27 October 2012 - 17:06.
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#20
Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:01
Percentage of race wins would be more relevant, given there's prizes for wins and, erm, none for pole.Since 1992 or for 20 years of Formula 1, with 40 teams competing and over 100 drivers racing each other:
In over 360 races a car designed or developed by Adrian Newey has been on pole in 45% of them.
#21
Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:09
Hey how about Schumacher winning 89 out of 210 between Brazil 1994 and China 2006 then? One driver.
80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.
47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.
Well yeah, when talking about 'astounding' statistics, MSC has 'em all really.
#22
Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:22
He's produced some stunning cars and he's not beyond skirting the rules to get what he wants.
Sadly he also designed the car that killed Ayrton.
#23
Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:29
But seriously, Newey is like Messi. Spearhead of a fantastic team effort.
Edited by SCUDmissile, 27 October 2012 - 17:30.
#24
Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:54
#25
Posted 27 October 2012 - 17:54
Edited by sopa, 27 October 2012 - 17:55.
#26
Posted 27 October 2012 - 18:45
Percentage of race wins would be more relevant, given there's prizes for wins and, erm, none for pole.
Relevant to what? Pace?
#27
Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:11
Over 51%....
Man he kicked so much ass back in the day.
#28
Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:14
I find it a more interesting stat that whenever a Briton wins the WDC, a democrat is elected into office since 1964 i think.
But seriously, Newey is like Messi. Spearhead of a fantastic team effort.
Well, Nixon was elected in 1968 when G Hill won the WDC, so there are exceptions!
Still, Lewis should do his best to prevent Mitt from being elected!
#29
Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:19
True but he seems to have no equal when designing cars for absolute pace.
And that's one of the main reasons why Schumacher's pole rate isn't as good as his win rate
#30
Posted 27 October 2012 - 19:38
#31
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:13
#32
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:18
That's all very nice but he's still bald.
Even his genes show a propensity towards aerodynamics.
#33
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:29
Why is he not yet "Sir Adrian"?
well he has an OBE already at least
#34
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:31
Since 1992 or for 20 years of Formula 1, with 40 teams competing and over 100 drivers racing each other:
- 1990 – Joined Williams as Chief Designer, overseeing the FW14 and the other Williams-Renaults which were the dominant force in the ‘90s, won 58 grands prix, four Drivers’ and five Constructors’ titles -
http://www.redbull.c...001242969794203
Edited by g1n, 27 October 2012 - 20:33.
#35
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:37
Even his genes show a propensity towards aerodynamics.
#36
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:50
From his wikipedia page:
"Adrian Newey is an avid sports car collector and driver, having participated in the Le Mans Legend races for a few years. He competed in a Ford GT40 in 2006, only to destroy the car in an accident yet escaped with only a cut finger. He later wrecked a Jaguar E-Type at the Goodwood Revival Meeting.
In 2007, he made the move to modern racing, becoming part of the driver line-up in the AF Corse Ferrari F430 for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Newey and co-drivers Ben Aucott and Joe Macari managed to finish 22nd outright, and fourth in class.
To celebrate his Red Bull Racing team's 1-2s in China and Great Britain, Adrian Newey scarified the lawn of Team Principal, Christian Horner by 'donutting' in a Ferrari California.[4]"
#37
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:52
#38
Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:58
So basicly Byrne has a score of almost 50% wins from 1994-2006? Barichello had 11 wins and Irvine 4 plus 3 non-MSC wins in 1994-1997. Add all that up and you get 97/210Hey how about Schumacher winning 89 out of 210 between Brazil 1994 and China 2006 then? One driver.
80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.
47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.
I think that is way more impressive, personally. Yet people still talk about Newey as best ever and without competition...
#39
Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:02
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#40
Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:02
So basicly Byrne has a score of almost 50% wins from 1994-2006? Barichello had 11 wins and Irvine 4 plus 3 non-MSC wins in 1994-1997. Add all that up and you get 97/210
I think that is way more impressive, personally. Yet people still talk about Newey as best ever and without competition...
I think Adrian's was from the early 90s - today ....thats almost a 23 year period.......not the 12 year period you alllude to in your post.......Byrne's is impressive but Adrian's spans a longer period and is way more impressive....
#41
Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:12
So basicly Byrne has a score of almost 50% wins from 1994-2006? Barichello had 11 wins and Irvine 4 plus 3 non-MSC wins in 1994-1997. Add all that up and you get 97/210
I think that is way more impressive, personally. Yet people still talk about Newey as best ever and without competition...
Barrichello had nine wins, the other two were from Brawn. OTOH, Massa had 2 in 2006.
#42
Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:17
I think Adrian's was from the early 90s - today ....thats almost a 23 year period.......not the 12 year period you alllude to in your post.......Byrne's is impressive but Adrian's spans a longer period and is way more impressive....
Additionally Newey manage to dominate in three different eras, with three different teams, three different technical teams and five different star drivers (Mansell, Prost, Hill, Hakkinen and Vettel).
#43
Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:46
As I said, he's clearly one of the best in the paddock, that's why every team wants him so bad. But i think it's kind of a stretch to give him this "Mesiah"-status and go on to say, that he can make every team fast.
#44
Posted 27 October 2012 - 21:57
Hey how about Schumacher winning 89 out of 210 between Brazil 1994 and China 2006 then? One driver.
80 in 168 races between Brazil 1994-Hungary 2004.
47 in 80 between Australia 2000 and Hungary 2004.
80 in 168 is incredible.
#45
Posted 27 October 2012 - 22:28
The 2001-2008 was not very rewarding in terms of accolades and titles though.
#46
Posted 27 October 2012 - 22:42
That's crazyIn the last 6 years Schumacher has had just one podium...yet still has over 155 out of 304.races.
Over 51%....
Man he kicked so much ass back in the day.
#47
Posted 27 October 2012 - 22:56
How many of those poles have not been converted into wins due to technical failures while leading? I'm sure a large percentage would also materialise.
I'm sure it wouldn't
#48
Posted 27 October 2012 - 23:08
80 in 168 is incredible.
To a total winning percentage of 29%.
Is it as impressive as Prost's who managed a 25% race win percentage against real teammates: Senna, Mansell, Lauda, Watson, Hill, Watson and Rosberg.
#49
Posted 27 October 2012 - 23:20
That should be enough to turn even as65p into a Hamilton supporter...I find it a more interesting stat that whenever a Briton wins the WDC, a democrat is elected into office since 1964 i think.
Edited by Slartibartfast, 27 October 2012 - 23:28.
#50
Posted 27 October 2012 - 23:23
Even his genes show a propensity towards aerodynamics.
Hahaha :-)