Abu Dhabi (UAE) Build Up
#1
Posted 28 October 2012 - 15:02
To be honest the track specs look bad for Ferrari. Slow and quite like Monaco/Singapore, I think Ferrari really need some working upgrades to challenge here.
Hamilton has been good here, so hopefully he can keep Vettel honest.
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#2
Posted 28 October 2012 - 15:22
We don't have to wait long for Abu Dhabi but how much is there to look forward to?
To be honest the track specs look bad for Ferrari. Slow and quite like Monaco/Singapore, I think Ferrari really need some working upgrades to challenge here.
Hamilton has been good here, so hopefully he can keep Vettel honest.
Actually Ferrari was looking pretty good in India. They were slower in quali but pretty close in race.
#3
Posted 28 October 2012 - 15:33
#4
Posted 28 October 2012 - 15:45
just looking at google earth.
I was surprised how very close the circuit is to abu dhabi intl airport.
also ferrari world looks awesome
#5
Posted 28 October 2012 - 16:52
Since the island is man made the designer could ask for anythng, literally !!
#6
Posted 28 October 2012 - 16:59
#7
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:17
#8
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:28
Oh, Abu Dhabi is next? Guess I won't be watching F1 for the second weekend in a row then. What a sad state the championship is in after the way it started...
I dunno about "sad state" Alonso & Vettel are exremely close in standings and it is likely to go to the end, unless on of them has DNF.
#9
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:33
It's sad if you are not a fan of one of those two drivers. You can already see that the forum traffic is affected by Hamilton being out of the WDC race. The races became more predictable as well. It seems ages ago that Maldonado and Rosberg could win races. Actually, it's more or less back to the level we had in F1 in most years.I dunno about "sad state" Alonso & Vettel are exremely close in standings and it is likely to go to the end, unless on of them has DNF.
#10
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:34
#11
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:34
Horner said on german TV that he expects that RB will be weakest in Abu Dhabi from all 3 last races...another throwing of dust in the eyes?
Listening to Horner is always a waste of time.
Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
#F1 Q: Why do we suddenly have a dominant driver in a dominant car? Christian Horner: "The honest answer is we have no idea..."
#12
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:35
It's sad if you are not a fan of one of those two drivers. You can already see that the forum traffic is affected by Hamilton being out of the WDC race. The races became more predictable as well. It seems ages ago that Maldonado and Rosberg could win races. Actually, it's more or less back to the level we had in F1 in most years.
And all we had then was people bitching it was too unpredictable or the tyres were somehow unfair. Bunch of soft cocks on this forum.
#13
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:53
#14
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:55
Exactly. The moment you have long-lasting tyres F1 becomes boring again.And all we had then was people bitching it was too unpredictable or the tyres were somehow unfair. Bunch of soft cocks on this forum.
#15
Posted 28 October 2012 - 17:56
Hopefully the gap between Vettel and Alonso is over 25 points after this weekend, I'm not convinced Vettel won't suffer another mechanical DNF this season yet.
Hopefully not.
#16
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:00
Ha ha, I guess I am not the only one looking for a 25 pt cushion!Hopefully the gap between Vettel and Alonso is over 25 points after this weekend, I'm not convinced Vettel won't suffer another mechanical DNF this season yet.
#17
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:03
I'll eat my hat if this race is even remotely exciting.
#18
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:04
#19
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:13
Edited by SpaMaster, 28 October 2012 - 18:30.
#21
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:29
Lets wait and see.
Ferrari are coming with updates, redBull will be strong, but theyhave to use 2012 spec alternators again and McLaren are always good here.
It is a sunset start as well.
But this track has some of the most pointless, idiotic corners on the planet.
#22
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:31
#23
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:33
Ha, ha. Can't help but for this one. So true. Singapore also has corners like that, but at least it was non-purpose built street circuit. Abu Dhabi is a master-class on that regard...
But this track has some of the most pointless, idiotic corners on the planet.
#24
Posted 28 October 2012 - 18:34
#25
Posted 28 October 2012 - 19:20
How could anyone do such a bad job designing this circuit.
Since the island is man made the designer could ask for anythng, literally !!
They did though, they asked for a street circuit in the desert and that's what Tilke gave them.
Quiet why anyone thought a street circuit layout with massive runoff areas was a good idea we'll never know.
#26
Posted 28 October 2012 - 19:26
They did though, they asked for a street circuit in the desert and that's what Tilke gave them.
Quiet why anyone thought a street circuit layout with massive runoff areas was a good idea we'll never know.
That's the thing. Permanent tracks should be fast.
#27
Posted 28 October 2012 - 19:55
I'm not expecting a very different pecking order for this race, but perhaps a more competitive performance from Force India all weekend? If so, they might trouble Lotus and perhaps Massa in the race.
As this track is rear tyre-limited, I don't dare think about what's in store for Mercedes...
Edited by race addicted, 28 October 2012 - 19:57.
#28
Posted 28 October 2012 - 19:55
This is my main problem with the middle-eastern tracks. They had buckets of money, were built in the middle of nowhere so there's nothing to hit, yet rather than trying to top Monza, they recreated Magny-Cours.How could anyone do such a bad job designing this circuit.
Since the island is man made the designer could ask for anythng, literally !!
#29
Posted 28 October 2012 - 19:58
I'll eat my hat if this race is even remotely exciting.
Any chance for rain?
#30
Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:07
Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 28 October 2012 - 20:10.
#31
Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:13
Any chance for rain?
Ironically, if memory serves, they had some rain before FP1 last year and it was a damp track at the start of that session.
#32
Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:41
Not the best circuit but it's one where Hamilton usually fares well, so I have my hopes he will be able to qualify on the front-row here, and hopefully push for the win. Updates for Ferrari here, right?
I'm not expecting a very different pecking order for this race, but perhaps a more competitive performance from Force India all weekend? If so, they might trouble Lotus and perhaps Massa in the race.
As this track is rear tyre-limited, I don't dare think about what's in store for Mercedes...
Rear tyre limited? I'm not familiar with that concept, could you explain?
#33
Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:46
Rear tyre limited? I'm not familiar with that concept, could you explain?
Basically, traction out of slow corners is very important given how slow most of the corners are. Once your rear tyres are gone, you're a sitting duck on the straights!
#34
Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:50
Edited by race addicted, 28 October 2012 - 20:50.
#35
Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:54
Thanks, Goron. A circuit that requires a lot of acceleration out of slow corners, is (usually) rear tyre limited. A circuit with long sweeping corners where you scrub off speed, is often front-tyre limited. It's about which end of the car get's more beaten up.
Perfect explanation!
Out of interest, do we know what tyres are being used this year? If I remember correctly, last year everyone 2 stopped, right?
#36
Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:03
Perfect explanation!
Out of interest, do we know what tyres are being used this year? If I remember correctly, last year everyone 2 stopped, right?
Soft and medium. http://www.autosport....php/id/103480/
Yep, two-stoppers.
#37
Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:53
#38
Posted 28 October 2012 - 22:10
#39
Posted 28 October 2012 - 22:33
It's not that Lewis loves the track, it's that the surface is very smooth so the car and its stiff suspension work well.
I am not so sure about that. I looked the differences between button and lewis in qualifying and race, there was pretty big gap between them
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#40
Posted 28 October 2012 - 22:42
I've always wanted more races, but if half of them are going to be the crap they bulid now, don't bother.
#41
Posted 28 October 2012 - 22:52
It's not the Vettel and Red Bull dominating that is taking away my enthusiasm for the sport, it's the same corner, plonk in another vast open space track that F1 keeps going to. Ooooh a hotel changes colour. That's the highlight.
I've always wanted more races, but if half of them are going to be the crap they bulid now, don't bother.
First half of the year has been great but in second half big guns started to show their dominance and there is no tyre issues anymore, strategies are settled which also made racing more boring
#42
Posted 28 October 2012 - 22:52
On the other hand, I have time and motivation to enjoy other things in life so much more now.It's not the Vettel and Red Bull dominating that is taking away my enthusiasm for the sport, it's the same corner, plonk in another vast open space track that F1 keeps going to. Ooooh a hotel changes colour. That's the highlight.
I've always wanted more races, but if half of them are going to be the crap they bulid now, don't bother.
#43
Posted 28 October 2012 - 23:40
God I feel so bummed out right now. I just can't stand this track.
#44
Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:26
What do you want him to say?Listening to Horner is always a waste of time.
Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
#F1 Q: Why do we suddenly have a dominant driver in a dominant car? Christian Horner: "The honest answer is we have no idea..."
#45
Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:30
13pts separates Vettel and Alonso. A DNF for Vettel will not be the end of the world for him, especially if Alonso fails to win the race. However, a DNF for Alonso will put an end to his championship hope especially if Vettel car stays in 1 piece!I dunno about "sad state" Alonso & Vettel are exremely close in standings and it is likely to go to the end, unless on of them has DNF.
#46
Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:34
Are we talking about the same first half of the year when Pirelli was constantly thrashed for bringing jelly tyres to the race?First half of the year has been great but in second half big guns started to show their dominance and there is no tyre issues anymore, strategies are settled which also made racing more boring
There were many threads on this very forum lamenting on the end of "proper" racing due to Pirelli tyres.
#47
Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:38
#48
Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:41
Not in Abu Dhabi, probably in the last 2 races.Ferrari are coming with updates, redBull will be strong, but they have to use 2012 spec alternators again and McLaren are always good here.
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/103710
Red Bull faces alternator switch by the United States Grand Prix
#49
Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:49
#50
Posted 30 October 2012 - 12:36