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[D.M.N.]

Lee McKenzie ‏@LeeMcKenzieF1
Toro Rosso confirm same drivers for 2013 @danielricciardo and @JeanEricVergne
4:00 PM - 31 Oct 12

[KingB]

fair enough

[Afterburner]

We're just having contracts signed all over the place today, aren't we?

[goingthedistance]

Excellent news, hopefully STR have a better car next year.

[Slackbladder]

Meh...both need more time, but neither they, nor the car have done much of note I feel.

[Collective]

Both with a full season behind them + James Key = STR should look decent next year.

[amarelo]

It's the logical thing to do for both and Toro Rosso, if everything goes to the plan in the FR3.5, they have AFC to put pressure on both drivers during the season

[gm914]

[Zava]

Both with a full season behind them + James Key = STR should look decent next year.

I fear Key arrived too late to have a big impact on the STR8 (<- haha).

[Jimisgod]

Better get on the podium in 2013 boys...

Dan is a better driver than Jean, and I expect him to be the one graduating and Jean to be the one getting Marko's evil eye.

Edited by Jimisgod, 31 October 2012 - 16:34.

[BigCHrome]

Better get on the podium in 2013 boys...

Dan is a better driver than Jean, and I expect him to be the one graduating and Jean to be the one getting Marko's evil eye.

Jeff does way better in the races.

[Disgrace]

The only sensible option.

[goingthedistance]

Jeff does way better in the races.

Not recently he hasn't.

[Slowinfastout]

They are both still very young, even for STR it would have been pretty stupid not to keep them again for another season.

There's no sense hiring a 21yrs old guy and sacking him unless some really craptacular things consistently happened.

[kosmos]

It's fair to give them another year like they did with the previous drivers.

[Richard T]

Is those cars still on the grid?.....;)

[Disgrace]

They were the only cars to watch in Korea, they still have some place on the grid even if they're no Minardi.

[Myrvold]

I fear Key arrived too late to have a big impact on the STR8 (<- haha).

Now, this would've been awesome, awkward and fun, if one of the drivers suddenly jumped out of the closet!

[showtime]

Another season to win a race, good luck to them!

[Dolph]

Me thinks at least one of them will be booted at the end of 2013.

[noikeee]

Both deserve another year, have been performing better than people in better cars (hint hint: Williams), but due to the competitiveness of the field have not been able to shine hence have zero hype at the moment.

This also means they're not rushing Felix da Costa into a seat, which is good news although I want to see him eventually of course.

[lbennie]

JEV deserves another year imo.

RIC was a no brainer.

[Eff One 2002]

Good to hear... or read anyway...

They were the only cars to watch in Korea, they still have some place on the grid even if they're no Minardi.

Well, they were Minardi. Does that count?

Edited by Eff One 2002, 01 November 2012 - 02:24.

[William Hunt]

Dan is a better driver than Jean, and I expect him to be the one graduating and Jean to be the one getting Marko's evil eye.

Daniel Ricciardo certainly was a better qualifying this year but Jean-Eric Vergne often looked better in the races.

[lbennie]

Daniel Ricciardo certainly was a better qualifying this year but Jean-Eric Vergne often looked better in the races.

first half of the year - yes, second half, definitely not.

[Ian G]

Me thinks at least one of them will be booted at the end of 2013.

STR may be sold by then,i think DR has a great chance of racing for RB in 2014 if he keeps improving like this year.

[BCM]

Good decision in my opinion.

DR started off a bit wobbly in the races, but has come good on the back end. He's been the stronger of the two in qualifying no doubt. JEV had the upper hand race wise at the start of the year, but I think DR has performed better in the second half.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out come next year when JEV knows all of the tracks though.

Hard to know how good they are without decent machinery. The argument always goes that Vettel was a star in his first year and no doubt he did well. However the STR wasn't a slouch that year. His average finish in 2008 was 7.2 (excluding retirements). If you take the best result for RBR no matter which driver it was they only averaged 8.2. Even if you factor in Vettel being a better driver than Webber or Coulthard the car was obviously capable. I don't think anyone would argue that this year's STR ever looked likely to trouble the podium, let alone take a victory even in the wet like Vettel did.

[Baddoer]

The most pointless pairing since Speed and Liuzzi

[marcoferrari]

Daniel Ricciardo certainly was a better qualifying this year but Jean-Eric Vergne often looked better in the races.

Exactly... Vergne delivers when it counts... And don t forget about Singapore, where he was running 10th and Schumi slammed into him... At that time Ricciardo was only couple of places behind... Daniel reminds me a lot of Trulli... Very quick over one lap, but that seems to be his only magic...

[goldenboy]

Exactly... Vergne delivers when it counts... And don t forget about Singapore, where he was running 10th and Schumi slammed into him... At that time Ricciardo was only couple of places behind... Daniel reminds me a lot of Trulli... Very quick over one lap, but that seems to be his only magic...

what crap

[wattoroos]

Exactly... Vergne delivers when it counts... And don t forget about Singapore, where he was running 10th and Schumi slammed into him... At that time Ricciardo was only couple of places behind... Daniel reminds me a lot of Trulli... Very quick over one lap, but that seems to be his only magic...

The points gap would be closer if he didn't have the fuel pickup problem in Italy as well as the brake problem in Korea. At the moment they are pretty even in races.

[goldenboy]

anyway glad they kept both guys. Next year with James Key and hopefully a better package and direction and with both of them then being experienced there should be nowhere for either to hide and we will see if either can be a red bull driver.

I watch Ricciardos live timing pretty closely and I like what I see

[krapmeister]

Vergne's races have been far better than his qualifying but TBH that couldn't be hard because he has more often than not been knocked out in Q1. Ricciardo certainly struggled to match his qualifying performances - including a stellar 6th on the grid in Bahrain - in the first half of the season with poor starts putting him on the back foot race-wise by the end of Lap 1. However he has turned this around and the second half of the season has clearly seen him outperforming Vergne in both qualifying and races. Granted Vergne has been unlucky (Singapore) but so has Dan with car issues taking points away from him at Monza and Korea.

Good that STR has re-signed both for 2013 and as has been said earlier will be interesting to see how these guys go next year with a full season at STR behind them...

Edited by krapmeister, 01 November 2012 - 10:27.

[Sardukar]

These two are a lot better than others on the grid, so i'm not suprised red bull kept them.

[GotYoubyTheBalls]

Dan Ricciardo is a future star, i think anyone with any racing knowledge can see that. He will be hot property by the end of next year. Vergne is a great racer and the fact that he is so close to Ricciardo is a good sign for him, hopefully he can keep improving.

[kpchelsea]

Me thinks at least one of them will be booted at the end of 2013.

That depends on whether one of them gets promoted to the Red Bull team at seasons end

[HoldenRT]

Anyone know the qualiyfing and or race results between these two this season?

[HoldenRT]

Good decision in my opinion.

DR started off a bit wobbly in the races, but has come good on the back end. He's been the stronger of the two in qualifying no doubt. JEV had the upper hand race wise at the start of the year, but I think DR has performed better in the second half.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out come next year when JEV knows all of the tracks though.

Hard to know how good they are without decent machinery. The argument always goes that Vettel was a star in his first year and no doubt he did well. However the STR wasn't a slouch that year. His average finish in 2008 was 7.2 (excluding retirements). If you take the best result for RBR no matter which driver it was they only averaged 8.2. Even if you factor in Vettel being a better driver than Webber or Coulthard the car was obviously capable. I don't think anyone would argue that this year's STR ever looked likely to trouble the podium, let alone take a victory even in the wet like Vettel did.

In that season that STR was BETTER than the Redbull.. at least in Vettel's hands. But credit to him, he showed what he could do with it, and then when getting the proper Redbull drive.. well yeah.. it speaks for itself now doesn't it.

That year of STR was like stars aligning and pure luck for Vettel, it was the one year that STR had a great car (Bourdais qualified top 3 in the same Monza weekend that Vettel won) but Vettel is a great driver either way.

[showtime]

Anyone know the qualiyfing and or race results between these two this season?

Race: RIC 10 - VER 7
Qualy: RIC 14 - VER 3

[Elloh]

What if the car is on the same level as Caterham and Marussia, but JEV and Ricciardo drives really good? Always this "neither of them has impressed" but for someone to do it he has to have a weaker teammate.

[Sardukar]

The team have all the telemetry data so they know how good the drivers are. The team has come out and said that both JEV and RIC are getting the most out of the car, unlike the previous STR drivers who weren't.