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#101 tarmac

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:15

Woah, Ferrari 4th fastest car

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#102 lbennie

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:16

mark has no KERS

i'm convinced it's a myth.



#103 walkindude

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:16

A lot of liquid coming out of Webber's car tea try inside the garage. Why would there be liquid in there?

Anyone watching the BBC hear Watson saying a team has been using oil to add more weight to the front of the car which is illegal then its getting drained back before scrutineering and the FIA have re clarified the rule?

#104 peroa

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:17

Anyone watching the BBC hear Watson saying a team has been using oil to add more weight to the front of the car which is illegal then its getting drained back before scrutineering and the FIA have re clarified the rule?

...and then we see Webbo peeing himself...
What a coincidence...

#105 prty

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:17

This is how Webber left the boxes exit. Related to the sparks in Vettel's car?

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#106 Shiroo

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:19

firstly I thought that it is some water from these devices to cool down the brakes, but that amount of water is rather odd. (if it is water)

#107 prty

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:20

Anyone watching the BBC hear Watson saying a team has been using oil to add more weight to the front of the car which is illegal then its getting drained back before scrutineering and the FIA have re clarified the rule?


Nira Juanco is saying that the liquid isn't evaporating.

#108 Zava

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:21

so that was the thing Ted commented on, putting his hand in it, smelling it and saying it is water?

#109 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:21

Pastor is showing some good race pace!

#110 prty

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:24

Water, or any liquid in there, can be a stabilizer like mass dampers.

#111 whitevisor

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:43

It is from the coolant lines. Webber's coolant line...

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#112 goingthedistance

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 14:55

Boring session, boring track.

#113 GSiebert

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 15:00

Boring session, boring track.

While I agree with you about the track, practice sessions aren't supposed to be exciting.

#114 Tardis40

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 15:00

a team has been using oil to add more weight to the front of the car which is illegal then its getting drained back before scrutineering


Okay, I'll bite. Anyone have an opinion on why a team would want to do this? And how, exactly?


#115 Shiroo

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 15:10

Okay, I'll bite. Anyone have an opinion on why a team would want to do this? And how, exactly?

To run front a bit lower which gives you aero benefits. And how it is a bit more hard to explain. Maybe additional chamber or something:P

#116 Disgrace

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 15:53

What have Mclaren drivers been doing with this rocketship....

Just goes to show Vettel really takes proper advantage of a competitive car.


Not just Vettel but the whole team. They've only been let down by Renault alternators whereas McLaren have suffered continual operational failures as well as in-house reliability which has crippled their season.

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#117 onewingedangel

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 16:09

Okay, I'll bite. Anyone have an opinion on why a team would want to do this? And how, exactly?


There is a fixed weight distribution spread front to rear, but it may be optimum to run outside these limits for optimum tyre performance/balance. So rather than just being able to move ballast forward as they could pre-2011 a team would have to look to grey areas (or cheat) to run the car out of the regulations on track, but pass scrutineering tests - a tactic we have seen with Flexi-wings.

But if anything this would be more like the 2005 BAR fuel as ballast cheat, as it is clearly engineering in a system to facilitate running outside the regulations, rathing than a part acting outside the tested range (whether by design or not).

#118 goingthedistance

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 16:28

While I agree with you about the track, practice sessions aren't supposed to be exciting.


I usually find them interesting, this one not so much. :cool:

There's no longer much excitement picking over the long runs as the top couple of teams have pulled away from the pack, and tyre wear seems very low the past few races, so there is not much to learn there. It's just end of season stuff, everything is now in a very set routine and the cars are much improved.

#119 windy1603

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 19:14

Anyone watching the BBC hear Watson saying a team has been using oil to add more weight to the front of the car which is illegal then its getting drained back before scrutineering and the FIA have re clarified the rule?



Clarifed rule normally points to one team all the others get banned/disquaified ..... Runs for cover :lol:

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#120 BillBald

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 00:29

dry ice gets into all sorts of bizarre places you wouldn't imagine :)


It's called 'dry ice' for a reason.



#121 f1rookie

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:03

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#122 Sakae

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:04

Nice pictures. I wonder what focal length of the lens was. (Maybe 300 mm steadying camera on a monopod?)

#123 race addicted

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:23

Great long-run pace from the McLaren's and also Massa yesterday. Red Bull too of course, but you're not positively surprised by that. As for one-lap advantage, Red Bull reigns of course, but this being Abu Dhabi I wouldn't be too surprised to see Hamilton being able to pull it off, if they can get the options working.
Seemed to me Lotus has the same kind of performance over both one lap and long-runs, and it looks like Williams might give them company.

Alonso and Ferrari has work to do, seemingly, if they want to qualify on the first two rows. Then again he qualified fifth in India, so...

#124 GotYoubyTheBalls

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:48

Great long-run pace from the McLaren's and also Massa yesterday. Red Bull too of course, but you're not positively surprised by that. As for one-lap advantage, Red Bull reigns of course, but this being Abu Dhabi I wouldn't be too surprised to see Hamilton being able to pull it off, if they can get the options working.
Seemed to me Lotus has the same kind of performance over both one lap and long-runs, and it looks like Williams might give them company.

Alonso and Ferrari has work to do, seemingly, if they want to qualify on the first two rows. Then again he qualified fifth in India, so...


Actually one lap pace has been Mclarens all year and its telling they have not scored more poles with that rocketship. Vettel really is the man. Mclaren is fastest here once again so your comment about hamilton scoring pole will not be a suprise because its the best car by a margin, yet Vettel is really sticking it to them. :up:

#125 race addicted

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:58

Funny.

#126 Lotus53B

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:04

Interesting comment on the BBC there - the track temperature now is considerably higher than qualy/race, and what works now, may not work then... Or, I'm just clutching straws, hoping for something more interesting than watching Sebastian streak off into the distance

#127 Baddoer

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:05

DAT NEW FERARY FRONT WING :eek:

#128 Kelateboy

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:33

Hamilton's pace on primes is unbelievable. If his team is able to dial in his option runs, he is a shoe-in for the pole.

#129 Shiroo

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:37

how the heck Hamilton can make such times, eventho he is on longest stint so far?

#130 Nigol

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:37

Three laps in a row, going purple in every single sector. How focused and precise can one be?

Edit: Twisted words..

Edited by Nigol, 03 November 2012 - 10:48.


#131 robefc

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:39

Three laps in a row, going purple in single every sector. How focused and precise can one be?


Loving it, just hope we find time on the softs.

#132 g1n

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:41

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nice to see Mercedes not bothering with the whole exhaust air flow :lol:

#133 Sinceref189

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:44

Where the hell is vettel

#134 Kelateboy

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:45

Where the hell is vettel

Brake issue...

#135 Lotus53B

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:45

Oh! I didn't realise that Vettel's absence wasn't deliberate

#136 Shiroo

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:45

seems like McLarens can qualify to Q3 on hards. Grosjean on softs, still 1sec behind Hamilton that was on hards

#137 jrg19

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:46

Vettel with a break problem.

#138 superdelphinus

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:47

Loving it, just hope we find time on the softs.


You know they won't

#139 Lotus53B

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:49

You know they won't

Possibly not - getting the tyres working with a track temperature of 40+°C is different from getting them working at ~30°C

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#140 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:49

All seems OK for McLaren Hamilton pole!!! Go Ahead!

#141 sharo

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:50

Vettel with a break problem.

Yeah, too long of a break :)

#142 SamH123

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:51

Hamilton no faster than his time in FP2 on the mediums
Track seems to be generally slower anyway though...

#143 Kerch

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:59

Seems we have one of those situations where the harder tyre is much better in the race as it's barely any slower even over one lap.

#144 robefc

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:02

Hamilton no faster than his time in FP2 on the mediums
Track seems to be generally slower anyway though...


Looks like he could have gone maybe a tenth or 2 faster if he had a cleaner S3, assuming that wasn't just the tyres giving up, I'd be tempted to qualify on hards depending on what they think the effect of lower temps is...might guarantee qualifying behind vettel but otherwise looks like he could have everyone else...

#145 Shiroo

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:02

Pirelli failed again. Why they didnt bring super soft?

#146 Baddoer

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:03

Qualyfing prediction
1. Ham
2. But
3. Mal
4. Vet
5. Alo

#147 Kelateboy

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:05

Pirelli failed again. Why they didnt bring super soft?

It is going to be a snoozefest with 1 pitstop! :down:


#148 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:06

Hamilton on primes = Amazing pace!!!

#149 superdelphinus

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:06

Pirelli failed again. Why they didnt bring super soft?


Because then everyone goes mental about cheese tyres. They can't really win

#150 Juggles

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:07

Looks like he could have gone maybe a tenth or 2 faster if he had a cleaner S3, assuming that wasn't just the tyres giving up, I'd be tempted to qualify on hards depending on what they think the effect of lower temps is...might guarantee qualifying behind vettel but otherwise looks like he could have everyone else...


But then he'd need to be on the softs at the end of the race when there's little evidence of them being faster. The harder tyre is often the better race tyre; if he can do the same time on both softs and mediums I'd still qualify on the softs. If they didn't have to run both compounds I'd completely agree.